Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk Hosting (Dedicated Servers)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, Does anyone has an Asterisk server hosted off-site ? Like in those data centers that do web hosting in dedicated servers ? Is there a hosting company that has a special plan to host voip services like this, or usually is hosted in those dedicated servers like the ones I asked above ? What about QoS ? I know that most (if not all) are connected to their switch through a 10Mbps/100Mbps port ? But ... without a QoS rule ... even with that speed doesn't it affect the quality of voice ? Can you please tell me your experience ? Or point me some good hosting companies ? It can be a bit of a minefield - especially if it's an area you've not looked into before. I've been doing this (in a very minor way) for over 10 years now. So I run what could be described as a small hosting company, however, my hosts are currently inside another ISPs data centre rather than in a neutral data centre, so I get 100% of my Internet connectivity from my upstream ISP, and I am relying on them to do the right thing with having multiple transit providers and redundant network routing, UPSs and generators, all of which they have to my satisfaction. The next step for me would be to host in some neutral facility, get my own IP address space, my own AS number, then connect into multiple transit providers and arrange peering through the various neutral connection points that exist in the UK (LINX, MaNAP, etc.) I'm not big enough for that ... yet ;-) So I have routers and switches and connect into the ISP via a redundant mechanism (VRRP). I can apply QoS in my own routers, so that traffic from the Asterisk servers can be prioritised over the traffic from the LAMPy type servers, however, without the co-operation of the upstream ISP(s), you can't effectively apply QoS to the incoming traffic. (Fortunately in my instance, incoming is so much lighter than outgoing, and their network in not oversubscribed, so it's not really an issue) The easiest way to start, would be to simply place hosts inside another ISPs network, and rely on them for quality transit - ie. make sure they have multiple transit providers themselves, good power supplies, UPS, generators, etc. and if they are good and don't oversell their bandwidth then for the most part you'll be just fine. Once you have several hosts you might want to look at having your own router(s) and switch(es), but this will depend on how the hosting company operates (and your budget!) Finding that hosting company where you live is the challenge though! You need to ask lots of questions - can you get physical access to the servers? is it within driving distance? do you have remote screen keyboard facilities? (or if they offer remote hands and if so, how much do they charge?) How well do they connect to the world in general, and do they charge separate for power or bandwidth (and is bandwidth in terms of speed, or is it per bit pricing, or some combination of the 2?) Start phoning emailling - how fast do they answer the phone, or return email will be a good metric too... In the UK, London appears to be power starved right now - it would appear that bandwidth is virtually free, but you'll get charged per amp used! Outside London you rarely have this restriction, but then bandwidth is costly as it's got to be back-hauled to London (or Manchester), so local knowledge is something you'll need to find out about. Good luck! Gordon ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk Hosting (Dedicated Servers)
Thanks Gordon for your response, It helped me a lot ... I should have done this already, but the QoS issue was holding me back ... Actually, for now ... I'll start with just a backup box and test how it goes ... I was looking for a kind of dedicated server hosting with a MPLS network that could give me a good level of QoS, but I didn't find it ... Thanks again, Marcelo P.S: If anyone has another point ... I would be grateful in reading your opinions -- Original message -- From: Gordon Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, Does anyone has an Asterisk server hosted off-site ? Like in those data centers that do web hosting in dedicated servers ? Is there a hosting company that has a special plan to host voip services like this, or usually is hosted in those dedicated servers like the ones I asked above ? What about QoS ? I know that most (if not all) are connected to their switch through a 10Mbps/100Mbps port ? But ... without a QoS rule ... even with that speed doesn't it affect the quality of voice ? Can you please tell me your experience ? Or point me some good hosting companies ? It can be a bit of a minefield - especially if it's an area you've not looked into before. I've been doing this (in a very minor way) for over 10 years now. So I run what could be described as a small hosting company, however, my hosts are currently inside another ISPs data centre rather than in a neutral data centre, so I get 100% of my Internet connectivity from my upstream ISP, and I am relying on them to do the right thing with having multiple transit providers and redundant network routing, UPSs and generators, all of which they have to my satisfaction. The next step for me would be to host in some neutral facility, get my own IP address space, my own AS number, then connect into multiple transit providers and arrange peering through the various neutral connection points that exist in the UK (LINX, MaNAP, etc.) I'm not big enough for that ... yet ;-) So I have routers and switches and connect into the ISP via a redundant mechanism (VRRP). I can apply QoS in my own routers, so that traffic from the Asterisk servers can be prioritised over the traffic from the LAMPy type servers, however, without the co-operation of the upstream ISP(s), you can't effectively apply QoS to the incoming traffic. (Fortunately in my instance, incoming is so much lighter than outgoing, and their network in not oversubscribed, so it's not really an issue) The easiest way to start, would be to simply place hosts inside another ISPs network, and rely on them for quality transit - ie. make sure they have multiple transit providers themselves, good power supplies, UPS, generators, etc. and if they are good and don't oversell their bandwidth then for the most part you'll be just fine. Once you have several hosts you might want to look at having your own router(s) and switch(es), but this will depend on how the hosting company operates (and your budget!) Finding that hosting company where you live is the challenge though! You need to ask lots of questions - can you get physical access to the servers? is it within driving distance? do you have remote screen keyboard facilities? (or if they offer remote hands and if so, how much do they charge?) How well do they connect to the world in general, and do they charge separate for power or bandwidth (and is bandwidth in terms of speed, or is it per bit pricing, or some combination of the 2?) Start phoning emailling - how fast do they answer the phone, or return email will be a good metric too... In the UK, London appears to be power starved right now - it would appear that bandwidth is virtually free, but you'll get charged per amp used! Outside London you rarely have this restriction, but then bandwidth is costly as it's got to be back-hauled to London (or Manchester), so local knowledge is something you'll need to find out about. Good luck! Gordon ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
*steps slowly to the soapbox* Can we please get this pissing match over with? The horse is dead, stop beating it and bury the corpse for chrissake *steps down from soapbox* That's all I got *checks the fire extinguisher and awaits the flames to be redirected* SKM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy McNamara Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:36 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. Ok - And the problem is? Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Oh my gawdwhy are my emails taking so long to publish? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rushowr Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:43 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' *steps slowly to the soapbox* Can we please get this pissing match over with? The horse is dead, stop beating it and bury the corpse for chrissake *steps down from soapbox* That's all I got *checks the fire extinguisher and awaits the flames to be redirected* SKM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy McNamara Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:36 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. Ok - And the problem is? Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
2000+ lines:D Film Script? Madhawa Jeremy McNamara wrote: Douglas Garstang wrote: We have a 2000+ line python script that handles all call routing logic. You expect that to scale? I do call routing in 3 contexts with ~maybe~ a dozen extension each - and we have many thousands of customers and more than hundreds of companies using our Asterisk systems as a hosted solution. I really think you need to totally re-think your operation - and no, I'm not going to explain it to you, so don't even ask. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 14:22 +0600, Dualcall.com wrote: 2000+ lines:D Film Script? No, SCO lines. -- Dave Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Jeremy McNamara wrote: as most people here know, I yell at stupid people. Be honest, Jeremy, you yell at everyone! -- Chris Mason (264) 497-5670 Fax: (264) 497-8463 Int: (305) 704-7249 Fax: (815)301-9759 UK 44.207.183.0271 Cell: 264-235-5670 Yahoo IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:47 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: Oh, and I see nufone caters to residential. We only cater to business customers, who's needs are a lot more demanding. Apparently you haven't actually gone to our website which, since you brought it up, will be re-launched on September 5th, 2006 with new support for ENTERPRISE AND CARRIER SOLUTIONS - All Powered by Asterisk. Apparently you can't read, because this is all I see. On Tuesday, September 5th, 2006 at 8 AM Eastern, we will launch our exciting new website. Join our announcement list to learn about many of the new services and features you can expect from NuFone. We will also launch an official support team, which I am very glad to say that I WILL NOT be a part of, because as most people here know, I yell at stupid people. Good luck with supporting enterprise and carrier solutions with 3 contexts. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
OT: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Jeremy McNamara wrote: Douglas Garstang wrote: Oh, and I see nufone caters to residential. We only cater to business customers, who's needs are a lot more demanding. Apparently you haven't actually gone to our website which, since you brought it up, will be re-launched on September 5th, 2006 with new support for ENTERPRISE AND CARRIER SOLUTIONS - All Powered by Asterisk. We will also launch an official support team, which I am very glad to say that I WILL NOT be a part of, because as most people here know, I yell at stupid people. *snipped eh? what was that? i couldn't hear you. giggles ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
VPS is a resource hogger. Not worth the cost. I would stick to multiple contexts. - Original Message - From: Pablo L. Arturi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Use VPSs, like www.openvz.org Pablo ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
No thats CF's job. But to give him credit he yells at stupidity ;) - Original Message - From: Chris Mason (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Jeremy McNamara wrote: as most people here know, I yell at stupid people. Be honest, Jeremy, you yell at everyone! -- Chris Mason (264) 497-5670 Fax: (264) 497-8463 Int: (305) 704-7249 Fax: (815)301-9759 UK 44.207.183.0271 Cell: 264-235-5670 Yahoo IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Chris Mason (Lists) wrote: Be honest, Jeremy, you yell at everyone! I wouldn't say absolutely everyone - I don't think I've yelled at kram or kpfleming, yet :P Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: Good luck with supporting enterprise and carrier solutions with 3 contexts. Mr. Troll, I don't need luck, because I am doing it already. Perhaps you can't comprehend the fact that NuFone is not the only operation I am involved with. Plus, don't forget about the thousands of hours or more that I have billed out consulting others on their system design. Go away. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:29 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: Good luck with supporting enterprise and carrier solutions with 3 contexts. Mr. Troll, I don't need luck, because I am doing it already. Perhaps you can't comprehend the fact that NuFone is not the only operation I am involved with. Plus, don't forget about the thousands of hours or more that I have billed out consulting others on their system design. Go away. That's funny. I remember asking a question, and I remember you immediately attacking my intelligence, and now I'm suddenly a troll. I can comprehend that Nufone is not the operation you are involved with. However, it's the first time you've stated that, so if you think I should have known that already, then you've either a) lost touch with reality or b) think your some big shot and I should know who you are by name. I see you haven't addressed the specifics of my reply to you. Did you eat too much cheese yesterday? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: That's funny. I remember asking a question, and I remember you immediately attacking my intelligence, and now I'm suddenly a troll. I can comprehend that Nufone is not the operation you are involved with. However, it's the first time you've stated that, so if you think I should have known that already, then you've either a) lost touch with reality or b) think your some big shot and I should know who you are by name. You made an obvious assumption by looking at my email address, without bothering to consider any other operations I may be involved in or have assisted in development and deployment. I could care less who you think I am, really and who knows, I may have no clue what reality is - But who really does? I see you haven't addressed the specifics of my reply to you. I don't see any specific questions, only statements that prove you haven't fully comprehended what you have gotten yourself into. I think you are the one that will need some very good luck. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:25 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: That's funny. I remember asking a question, and I remember you immediately attacking my intelligence, and now I'm suddenly a troll. I can comprehend that Nufone is not the operation you are involved with. However, it's the first time you've stated that, so if you think I should have known that already, then you've either a) lost touch with reality or b) think your some big shot and I should know who you are by name. You made an obvious assumption by looking at my email address, without bothering to consider any other operations I may be involved in or have assisted in development and deployment. I could care less who you think I am, really and who knows, I may have no clue what reality is - But who really does? I see you haven't addressed the specifics of my reply to you. I don't see any specific questions, only statements that prove you haven't fully comprehended what you have gotten yourself into. What's not specific about this...? handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster and so on while ALSO letting customers maintain all this via a web interface? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: What's not specific about this...? handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster Again, it tells me you have not fully thought out exactly how each of those functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. Before you even bothered to learn basic asterisk fundamentals, you have went and reinvented the wheel for absolutely no reason. and so on while ALSO letting customers maintain all this via a web interface? And the problem is? Our current members portal already does 90% of everything you listed. When the new version comes out we will pick up the remaining points and perhaps more. Yet once again you have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, you didn't bother to comprehend the power of Asterisk before bastardizing it with your ungodly huge python script. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:44 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: What's not specific about this...? handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster Again, it tells me you have not fully thought out exactly how each of those functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. I spent 8+ hours a day, 5+ days per week for over 6 months thinking how these functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. At every single turn, after going down every single path, there where limitations that forced us to backtrack and evaluate a different approach. A script that could handle call routing, in conjection with MySQL and stored procedures was the only way to implement our requirements. The MySQL command had limitations, realtime was way too resource intensive, unreliable and undocumented and so on. Yep... i definitely haven't thought about this at all. Before you even bothered to learn basic asterisk fundamentals, you have went and reinvented the wheel for absolutely no reason. and so on while ALSO letting customers maintain all this via a web interface? And the problem is? Our current members portal already does 90% of everything you listed. When the new version comes out we will pick up the remaining points and perhaps more. Yet once again you have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, you didn't bother to comprehend the power of Asterisk before bastardizing it with your ungodly huge python script. Yet again you have not addressed my statements that showed that the MySQL Dial plan command was not capable of nesting SQL queries, and therefore not capable of implementing findme/followme. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
guys can we take the flame fest off list please? kthx Douglas Garstang wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:25 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: That's funny. I remember asking a question, and I remember you immediately attacking my intelligence, and now I'm suddenly a troll. I can comprehend that Nufone is not the operation you are involved with. However, it's the first time you've stated that, so if you think I should have known that already, then you've either a) lost touch with reality or b) think your some big shot and I should know who you are by name. You made an obvious assumption by looking at my email address, without bothering to consider any other operations I may be involved in or have assisted in development and deployment. I could care less who you think I am, really and who knows, I may have no clue what reality is - But who really does? I see you haven't addressed the specifics of my reply to you. I don't see any specific questions, only statements that prove you haven't fully comprehended what you have gotten yourself into. What's not specific about this...? handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster and so on while ALSO letting customers maintain all this via a web interface? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
On Thursday 17 August 2006 16:04, Douglas Garstang wrote: Yet again you have not addressed my statements that showed that the MySQL Dial plan command was not capable of nesting SQL queries, and therefore not capable of implementing findme/followme. Off the top of my head I am fairly certain that I have come up with an AGI which would implement findme/followme *without* nested SQL queries, or even stored procedures. With some more thought I am fairly confident I could do it without an AGI at all, although the dialplan functions to split up the destinations would be ugly as hell. -A. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:04 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:44 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: What's not specific about this...? handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster Again, it tells me you have not fully thought out exactly how each of those functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. I spent 8+ hours a day, 5+ days per week for over 6 months thinking how these functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. At every single turn, after going down every single path, there where limitations that forced us to backtrack and evaluate a different approach. A script that could handle call routing, in conjection with MySQL and stored procedures was the only way to implement our requirements. The MySQL command had limitations, realtime was way too resource intensive, unreliable and undocumented and so on. Yep... i definitely haven't thought about this at all. Oops. I almost forgot intra-organisational 4 digit extension dialling. Not just company, but organisational, where a company may have multiple organisational units. It might be possible to hack together a flat intra-business 4 digit extension dial lookup in the native dialplan, but trying to make it a multi-level organisation lookup would be pure hell... unless you farm the task out to a more advanced scripting langauge like python, perl whatever. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Andrew Kohlsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:12 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' On Thursday 17 August 2006 16:04, Douglas Garstang wrote: Yet again you have not addressed my statements that showed that the MySQL Dial plan command was not capable of nesting SQL queries, and therefore not capable of implementing findme/followme. Off the top of my head I am fairly certain that I have come up with an AGI which would implement findme/followme *without* nested SQL queries, or even stored procedures. Yes, that's what we have done. I assume your referring to a small, function specific agi script. We have it as one large script instead. Obviously if you make a dozen of more agi calls like that during the course of processing a single call, it's going to get slow, and the caller may notice the effect. We didn't/don't have the resources available to be writing a multi-threaded fast agi server right now to fix that. Yep... as Jeremy said, I sure haven't thought about this at all. Nope... ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:17 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -Original Message- From: Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:04 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:44 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: What's not specific about this...? handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster Again, it tells me you have not fully thought out exactly how each of those functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. I spent 8+ hours a day, 5+ days per week for over 6 months thinking how these functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. At every single turn, after going down every single path, there where limitations that forced us to backtrack and evaluate a different approach. A script that could handle call routing, in conjection with MySQL and stored procedures was the only way to implement our requirements. The MySQL command had limitations, realtime was way too resource intensive, unreliable and undocumented and so on. Yep... i definitely haven't thought about this at all. Oops. I almost forgot intra-organisational 4 digit extension dialling. Not just company, but organisational, where a company may have multiple organisational units. It might be possible to hack together a flat intra-business 4 digit extension dial lookup in the native dialplan, but trying to make it a multi-level organisation lookup would be pure hell... unless you farm the task out to a more advanced scripting langauge like python, perl whatever. I see the MySQL dial plan command still doesn't support stored procedures either, unless you hack around with the source. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -Original Message- From: Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:17 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' **snip** I spent 8+ hours a day, 5+ days per week for over 6 months thinking how these functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. At every single turn, after going down every single path, there where limitations that forced us to backtrack and evaluate a different approach. A script that could handle call routing, in conjection with MySQL and stored procedures was the only way to implement our requirements. The MySQL command had limitations, realtime was way too resource intensive, unreliable and undocumented and so on. Yep... i definitely haven't thought about this at all. Oops. I almost forgot intra-organisational 4 digit extension dialling. Not just company, but organisational, where a company may have multiple organisational units. It might be possible to hack together a flat intra-business 4 digit extension dial lookup in the native dialplan, but trying to make it a multi-level organisation lookup would be pure hell... unless you farm the task out to a more advanced scripting langauge like python, perl whatever. I see the MySQL dial plan command still doesn't support stored procedures either, unless you hack around with the source. I've just recently come up against this limitation. Care to share info/code concerning making stored procs work with the addon? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Rushowr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:50 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -Original Message- From: Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:17 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' **snip** I spent 8+ hours a day, 5+ days per week for over 6 months thinking how these functions fit within the realm of Asterisk. At every single turn, after going down every single path, there where limitations that forced us to backtrack and evaluate a different approach. A script that could handle call routing, in conjection with MySQL and stored procedures was the only way to implement our requirements. The MySQL command had limitations, realtime was way too resource intensive, unreliable and undocumented and so on. Yep... i definitely haven't thought about this at all. Oops. I almost forgot intra-organisational 4 digit extension dialling. Not just company, but organisational, where a company may have multiple organisational units. It might be possible to hack together a flat intra-business 4 digit extension dial lookup in the native dialplan, but trying to make it a multi-level organisation lookup would be pure hell... unless you farm the task out to a more advanced scripting langauge like python, perl whatever. I see the MySQL dial plan command still doesn't support stored procedures either, unless you hack around with the source. I've just recently come up against this limitation. Care to share info/code concerning making stored procs work with the addon? Hi. I only just stumled across it myself. I was trying to prove a point to Jeremy. On the voip wiki: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+cmd+MYSQL under a comment titled 'Calling MySQL 5 stored procedures from app_mysql', it looks like someone has managed to modify the source to get it to work. I haven't tried it yet... Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
MySQL Addon and MySQL5 Stored Procs (WAS: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting')
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Garstang Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:54 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Hi. I only just stumled across it myself. I was trying to prove a point to Jeremy. On the voip wiki: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+cmd+MYSQL under a comment titled 'Calling MySQL 5 stored procedures from app_mysql', it looks like someone has managed to modify the source to get it to work. I haven't tried it yet... Doug. Thanks for the point, I hadn't noticed that comment. I'll be implementing it on one of my dev systems tonight and testing a multitude of stored procedures that we had planned. If it works reliably, I'll be reporting it as a bug in the digium bug tracker and submitting the modification as a patch (with proper credit to the original poster of the mod of course). S McGowan ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
You might be able to use virtual NICs to eliminate the problem with non-standard ports for a company's SIP phones. Or real NICs using a couple of multi-homed cards.I haven't tried it, though. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance.Doug.___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance.Doug.You can put Asterisk to hear in the same default port, but you must use another IP address, theoretically. -- Ralph LiebessohnICQ: 74835911Skype: liebessohn ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Why not just use different contexts for each company? - -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE416ZS6d5vy0jeVcRAkkJAJ9ePGEV4H5GNOljhx+syWb42IdoRACfcSet 6dTJAdgseqkUk63mGTOONik= =2M0q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Why do you need multiple instances? Just setup your Asterisk configuration to separate the various 'customers' or 'tenants'. CAKE Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. -Original Message-From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:36 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'You might be able to use virtual NICs to eliminate the problem with "non-standard" ports for a company's SIP phones. Or real NICs using a couple of multi-homed cards.I haven't tried it, though. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc?Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance.Doug.___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
You beat me to it Matt. =)-brandonOn 8/16/06, Matt Riddell (NZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance.Why not just use different contexts for each company?- --Cheers, Matt Riddell___http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community)http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32)Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.orgiD8DBQFE416ZS6d5vy0jeVcRAkkJAJ9ePGEV4H5GNOljhx+syWb42IdoRACfcSet6dTJAdgseqkUk63mGTOONik= =2M0q-END PGP SIGNATURE-___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- Brandon GalbraithEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: brandong00Voice: 630.400.6992A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Ya. --thelost ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Matt Riddell (NZ) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Why not just use different contexts for each company? Because Asterisk wasn't designed with carrier class features in mind. It was designed for a single enterprise. The dialplan, and config files, start to get very very complicated after you add more than a few companies. Combine that with having to have multiple extensions for a single function (our Queues are accessed by a regular extension but then have to dial another 'virtual' extension so that DUNDi can work out the 'primary' server for a queue) and so on. Anyway, it's becoming unmanagable. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:23 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Why do you need multiple instances? Just setup your Asterisk configuration to separate the various 'customers' or 'tenants'. It's obvious that Asterisk was designed more for the enterprise (ie a single company), rather than for the carrier (ie multiple companies). It's a bit hard to explain here, but even with more than a few companies, the config files and dial plan start to become horribly complex. Our first customer has 15 contexts (right now) in extensions.conf (we've broken each company into a separate files included from extensions.conf and sip.conf for some manageability). At several hundred companies, that's several thousand contexts. We have three Asterisk boxes, and can add more, but the config is (almost) idential between them for redundancy, and this means that each Asterisk box has to have a dialplan configured for all companies. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Doug,I'd suggest using contexts, but then having two servers for redundancy also. That way, if one asterisk box goes down, you don't have 50-100 clients completely down.-brandon On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. -Original Message-From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:36 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'You might be able to use virtual NICs to eliminate the problem with non-standard ports for a company's SIP phones. Or real NICs using a couple of multi-homed cards.I haven't tried it, though. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc?Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance.Doug.___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- Brandon GalbraithEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: brandong00Voice: 630.400.6992A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Ya. --thelost ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Then virtual would be the way to go...I'm no expert, so you'd have to do some research on how many virtual interfaces you could use reliably.But some of the other suggestions I've seen might be a better option? Separate contexts for each entity, etc. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. -Original Message-From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:36 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'You might be able to use virtual NICs to eliminate the problem with non-standard ports for a company's SIP phones. Or real NICs using a couple of multi-homed cards.I haven't tried it, though. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc?Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance.Doug.___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. Surely all the more reason to do it with contexts than instances. - -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE422LS6d5vy0jeVcRAhQQAJ9XLDlNHe2Xv7oBA568nvaPbnKI1wCeM+t4 5geXNT+XaPj1gSxdSROQKYE= =AZoL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
You could use Xen on Fedora Core 6 and virtualize each instance if you feel the need is there.On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Matt Riddell (NZ) [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Why not just use different contexts for each company?Because Asterisk wasn't designed with carrier class features in mind. It was designed for a single enterprise. The dialplan, and config files, start to get very very complicated after you add more than a few companies. Combine that with having to have multiple extensions for a single function (our Queues are accessed by a regular extension but then have to dial another 'virtual' extension so that DUNDi can work out the 'primary' server for a queue) and so on. Anyway, it's becoming unmanagable. Doug.___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- Brandon GalbraithEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: brandong00Voice: 630.400.6992A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Ya. --thelost ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Use VPSs, like www.openvz.org Pablo ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: Because Asterisk wasn't designed with carrier class features in mind. It was designed for a single enterprise. The dialplan, and config files, start to get very very complicated after you add more than a few companies. Combine that with having to have multiple extensions for a single function (our Queues are accessed by a regular extension but then have to dial another 'virtual' extension so that DUNDi can work out the 'primary' server for a queue) and so on. Anyway, it's becoming unmanagable. So write better management software, that's what we've and many others have done. - -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE43DHS6d5vy0jeVcRAnEyAJ9yNLv+vDF2esy4S6Hik8C46POiDQCeKd5X 6BND4aXxRw5nxifVC1oQM6U= =pfPk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Brandon, Thanks. We're a litle past that stage of complexity. I'm just throwing the question out there because it's becoming obvious that trying to provision hundreds of customers on a cluster of Asterisk systems is going to be very hard to manage. -Original Message-From: Brandon Galbraith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:53 PMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'Doug,I'd suggest using contexts, but then having two servers for redundancy also. That way, if one asterisk box goes down, you don't have 50-100 clients completely down.-brandon On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. -Original Message-From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:36 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'You might be able to use virtual NICs to eliminate the problem with "non-standard" ports for a company's SIP phones. Or real NICs using a couple of multi-homed cards.I haven't tried it, though. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc?Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Doug. ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- Brandon GalbraithEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: brandong00Voice: 630.400.6992"A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Ya. --thelost" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Use a virtual private asterisk system. You'll be happier if you did. http://www.telephreak.org/papers/vpa/ Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. It's obvious that Asterisk was designed more for the enterprise (ie a single company), rather than for the carrier (ie multiple companies). It's a bit hard to explain here, but even with more than a few companies, the config files and dial plan start to become horribly complex. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: It's obvious that Asterisk was designed more for the enterprise (ie a single company), rather than for the carrier (ie multiple companies). It's a bit hard to explain here, but even with more than a few companies, the config files and dial plan start to become horribly complex. Our first customer has 15 contexts (right now) in extensions.conf (we've broken each company into a separate files included from extensions.conf and sip.conf for some manageability). At several hundred companies, that's several thousand contexts. We have three Asterisk boxes, and can add more, but the config is (almost) idential between them for redundancy, and this means that each Asterisk box has to have a dialplan configured for all companies. And so you're thinking it would be better to run several hundred Asterisk instances?! Good luck. I think your project would work a lot better if you worked like this: 1) Get requirements 2) Map features and limitations of products 3) Write PseudoCode 4) Work out ways to load test your ideas 5) Write real code 6) Load test again with real code Hint: Layer your system so that each component is not doing too much Hint #2: Read: http://www.astricon.net/files/David_Zimmer_EUR06.pdf - -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE43N2S6d5vy0jeVcRAj0OAJ4vgp3aMeBiEsVsU+zqhyouu8CPlgCffPAv 0SccdLfefS8GUtkxZpIMpU4= =ciMO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: Well, we're talking about several dozen, maybe 100, companies, per Asterisk box here. Ok - And the problem is? Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
-Original Message- From: Matt Riddell (NZ) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:35 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: It's obvious that Asterisk was designed more for the enterprise (ie a single company), rather than for the carrier (ie multiple companies). It's a bit hard to explain here, but even with more than a few companies, the config files and dial plan start to become horribly complex. Our first customer has 15 contexts (right now) in extensions.conf (we've broken each company into a separate files included from extensions.conf and sip.conf for some manageability). At several hundred companies, that's several thousand contexts. We have three Asterisk boxes, and can add more, but the config is (almost) idential between them for redundancy, and this means that each Asterisk box has to have a dialplan configured for all companies. And so you're thinking it would be better to run several hundred Asterisk instances?! Good luck. I think your project would work a lot better if you worked like this: 1) Get requirements 2) Map features and limitations of products 3) Write PseudoCode 4) Work out ways to load test your ideas 5) Write real code 6) Load test again with real code Hint: Layer your system so that each component is not doing too much Hint #2: Read: http://www.astricon.net/files/David_Zimmer_EUR06.pdf Interesting, but there's no meat. Do you know if they've actually implemented this yet, or are still designing it? This is essentially the same thing as we are doing (except I'm expected to do it all myself), except we aren't using realtime because it's not documented, and the asterisk dialplan language isn't advanced enough to deliver all the feature sets we need. We have a 2000+ line python script that handles all call routing logic. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Why make things so much more complicated than they need to be. Asterisk has had support for doing this for ages. The term you are looking for is contexts. Brandon Galbraith wrote: You could use Xen on Fedora Core 6 and virtualize each instance if you feel the need is there. On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Matt Riddell (NZ) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Garstang wrote: Has anyone ever tried to run multiple instances of Asterisk on a single system, running each with a different username, and each in a separate base directory? Something like /home/pbx/business-1, home/pbx/business-2 etc? Did it work? I assume for every service that Asterisk runs, on each instance, you'd have to use a different port numbers, which may get confusing. Each businesses phones would have to be configred with different SIP ports then too. What about processes? I notice that Asterisk runs about 26 processes (or are they threads?) for a single instance. Why not just use different contexts for each company? Because Asterisk wasn't designed with carrier class features in mind. It was designed for a single enterprise. The dialplan, and config files, start to get very very complicated after you add more than a few companies. Combine that with having to have multiple extensions for a single function (our Queues are accessed by a regular extension but then have to dial another 'virtual' extension so that DUNDi can work out the 'primary' server for a queue) and so on. Anyway, it's becoming unmanagable. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Now accepting new clients in Birmingham, Atlanta, Huntsville, Chattanooga, and Montgomery. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: We have a 2000+ line python script that handles all call routing logic. You expect that to scale? I do call routing in 3 contexts with ~maybe~ a dozen extension each - and we have many thousands of customers and more than hundreds of companies using our Asterisk systems as a hosted solution. I really think you need to totally re-think your operation - and no, I'm not going to explain it to you, so don't even ask. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
You think 3 contexts, serving hundreds of companies is going to handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster and so on while ALSO letting customers maintain all this via a web interface? Even the MySQL dial plan command couldn't handle the findme/followme because it couldn't save the state of the query used to retrieve the next number from the findme/followme list and then perform further nested queries to do blacklist/white list, pic code lookups, rate center lookups on each number. We have several layers of organisationl units, and when person A calls person B, and both are in the same company, we use an internal cid. If person A and person B are in different companies, we use an external cid, and if the caller uses a star code, we use an external cid. We had to get the only Gold Rated MySQL consultants to help us design this damn thing. That's just a taste of the complexity. Now, let the customer manage all this via a web interface and THREE contexts in a flat file isn't quite going to handle it. I also find your assumption that I'm an idiot pretty offensive. Doug. -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 8/16/2006 5:32 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: We have a 2000+ line python script that handles all call routing logic. You expect that to scale? I do call routing in 3 contexts with ~maybe~ a dozen extension each - and we have many thousands of customers and more than hundreds of companies using our Asterisk systems as a hosted solution. I really think you need to totally re-think your operation - and no, I'm not going to explain it to you, so don't even ask. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Oh, and I see nufone caters to residential. We only cater to business customers, who's needs are a lot more demanding. And you know what, maybe it won't scale, but the native dial plan couldn't handle the requirements at all. If central management (ie web site) is a requirement, then you have to use a database. As I said in my earlier post, the MySQL dial plan command couldn't handle nested queries.We can't be pushing confg files down to Asterisk and doing multiple reloads several times a minute just because Joe Smith wanted to findme/followme to his cellphone after his office phone, while Mart Bloggs is wanting to hange her external caller id. We can upgrade the python agi script to a client-server based fast agi later on. Right now I'm the only person working on this stuff and I only have one pair of arms. Doug. -Original Message- From: Douglas Garstang Sent: Wed 8/16/2006 9:58 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' You think 3 contexts, serving hundreds of companies is going to handle internal cid, external cid, cid override, pic codes, rate centers, incoming and outgoing black lists and white lists, findme/follow me with caller id based routing, transferring and forwarding between multiple hosts in a cluster and so on while ALSO letting customers maintain all this via a web interface? Even the MySQL dial plan command couldn't handle the findme/followme because it couldn't save the state of the query used to retrieve the next number from the findme/followme list and then perform further nested queries to do blacklist/white list, pic code lookups, rate center lookups on each number. We have several layers of organisationl units, and when person A calls person B, and both are in the same company, we use an internal cid. If person A and person B are in different companies, we use an external cid, and if the caller uses a star code, we use an external cid. We had to get the only Gold Rated MySQL consultants to help us design this damn thing. That's just a taste of the complexity. Now, let the customer manage all this via a web interface and THREE contexts in a flat file isn't quite going to handle it. I also find your assumption that I'm an idiot pretty offensive. Doug. -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 8/16/2006 5:32 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting' Douglas Garstang wrote: We have a 2000+ line python script that handles all call routing logic. You expect that to scale? I do call routing in 3 contexts with ~maybe~ a dozen extension each - and we have many thousands of customers and more than hundreds of companies using our Asterisk systems as a hosted solution. I really think you need to totally re-think your operation - and no, I'm not going to explain it to you, so don't even ask. Jeremy McNamara ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 'Hosting'
Douglas Garstang wrote: Oh, and I see nufone caters to residential. We only cater to business customers, who's needs are a lot more demanding. Apparently you haven't actually gone to our website which, since you brought it up, will be re-launched on September 5th, 2006 with new support for ENTERPRISE AND CARRIER SOLUTIONS - All Powered by Asterisk. We will also launch an official support team, which I am very glad to say that I WILL NOT be a part of, because as most people here know, I yell at stupid people. Jeremy McNamara, CTO NuFone, Inc. http://www.nufone.net/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Hosting
We've been trying Unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) on a 1 minute cron job. There are some theoretical issues but it has been great so far. We use it to synch prompts as well as messages. SimonOn 12/27/05, BILL GITONGA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best method of storing voice main messagesso that they are accessible to different asteriskservers in a hosted environment? I have consideredAsterisk real time but I don't think it stores theactual voice mail folder in the database. I'm thinking of using NFS for this and put my voice mail folders onthe NFS so that it is accessible by the differentservers. Is this a good way to do it or is there abetter way of doing this?__ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --Asterisk-Users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Hosting
On 14:50, Tue 27 Dec 05, BILL GITONGA wrote: What is the best method of storing voice main messages so that they are accessible to different asterisk servers in a hosted environment? I have considered Asterisk real time but I dont think it stores the actual voice mail folder in the database. Im thinking of using NFS for this and put my voice mail folders on the NFS so that it is accessible by the different servers. Is this a good way to do it or is there a better way of doing this? If you want it all in a database you can try odbc. My opinion is a database is not for binary files, so what I do is use NFS. Works great. -- Michiel van Baak http://michiel.vanbaak.info [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7E0B9A2D Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
