Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 01:34:03PM +0200, randulo wrote: Go ahead and lambast me for this post, it isn't specific to Asterisk, but: G+ has only been open at all for a week and I already am chatting with over 200 people who are into VoIP, Asterisk and all the rest of the stuff we here care about. If you don't care or are anti-social, fine. But you owe it to yourself to check it, because a lot of cool VoIP people are there and after all, Google themselves are doing some great stuff with VoIP, XMPP and video, and steadily moving towards open source. Come drink the Kool-Aid! I'll believe it when I see it. Google Talk uses an existing federated protocol. It does use many extensions by Google (and many deviations of Google from the reference implementation it published, but never mind). Buzz was (technically: is) a federated protocol. Google Plus seems to be a walled garden. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Saturday, 9 July 2011, Gordon Henderson gordon+aster...@drogon.net wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Steve Davies wrote: On 9 July 2011 12:34, randulo rand...@randulo.com wrote: Go ahead and lambast me for this post, it isn't specific to Asterisk, but: G+ has only been open at all for a week and I already am chatting with over 200 people who are into VoIP, Asterisk and all the rest of the stuff we here care about. If you don't care or are anti-social, fine. But you owe it to yourself to check it, because a lot of cool VoIP people are there and after all, Google themselves are doing some great stuff with VoIP, XMPP and video, and steadily moving towards open source. Come drink the Kool-Aid! Can you suggest a good way of finding/following appropriate VoIP/Asterisk people once on Google+? How do you then group them? Just in a Circle, or some other mechanism? I've just created a VoIPy circle - So I can then invite people I know into the circle by email address, and/or looking at someone else's circles and seing if they have something relevant in their summary tag and adding them into your own circle... (Or using their people search - e.g. for 'randulo' :) You can have people in more than one circle. Right now, it's a bit like a media-rich version of twitter with excellent filtering (the circles). I don't have camera/microphone/speakers on my PC, (got real desk SIP phones!) so haven't tried the audio/video chat yet, but the typing instant messaging type chat works just fine. I think Google are still slowly gating people into + though. I did have some invites, but seem to have used them all up now (google didn't tell me how many, the invite button just went away after a while!) I'd love to see SIP integration into it, so I can use my existing SIP toys with it. Gordon Thanks for that Gordon. What appears to be missing at the moment is the ability to interface or collaborate with a group of 'strangers'. It would be good if there were a way to broadcast a 'we're here, come join us' to bring a group of VoIP people together, a bit like an IRC channel name can do, or a Facebook fan page. I thought that sparks might cover that, but I'm not entirely sure how sparks work yet. I agree that SIP integration would be great. I think it'll be a while yet but if anyone will allow it, it'll be Google. Cheers, Steve -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Steve Davies davies...@gmail.com wrote: Can you suggest a good way of finding/following appropriate VoIP/Asterisk people once on Google+? How do you then group them? Just in a Circle, or some other mechanism? It's word mouth now, but I think there will be discovery mechanism soon. I've just created a VoIPy circle - So I can then invite people I know into the circle by email address, and/or looking at someone else's circles and seing if they have something relevant in their summary tag and adding them into your own circle... (Or using their people search - e.g. for 'randulo' :) Once you found me, you should have been able to find the post where I've put names of most of the VoIP USers COnference people. More then added their own. https://plus.google.com/104027218792812194992/posts/Xvnbp1YWf9K You can have people in more than one circle. Right now, it's a bit like a media-rich version of twitter with excellent filtering (the circles). I don't have camera/microphone/speakers on my PC, (got real desk SIP phones!) so haven't tried the audio/video chat yet, but the typing instant messaging type chat works just fine. You have to try the Hangou because that's an amazing feature and it's the one I want to see with SIP interface so we can bridge to a SIP conference. I think Google are still slowly gating people into + though. I did have some invites, but seem to have used them all up now (google didn't tell me how many, the invite button just went away after a while!) I'd love to see SIP integration into it, so I can use my existing SIP toys with it. That would be my wish, too. In the end, it is a process of finding the right people. You can see all public posts in the stream. However if there were 20 people say, from this list in my Asterisk Circle talking aout SIP integration, we'd keep it private, NOT to hide, but to not bore our other friends in Basket weaving Circle. I encourage anyone who's the + and interested to look me up. I can easily blast out more names as suggestions. :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Steve Davies davies...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that Gordon. What appears to be missing at the moment is the ability to interface or collaborate with a group of 'strangers'. You watch the stream to discover people but obviously that's a long process. It will be even longer as adoption grows. It would be good if there were a way to broadcast a 'we're here, come join us' to bring a group of VoIP people together, a bit like an IRC channel name can do, or a Facebook fan page. Hangouts are broadcast to the public (everyone's stream) unless you state otherwise. Nothing stops anyone from blasting out names. If you can find my post about VoIP people, you can add your name in the comments or asl me and I will blast it out. I thought that sparks might cover that, but I'm not entirely sure how sparks work yet. Sparks is currently just a topic search and it's pretty lame in everyone's opinion. I agree that SIP integration would be great. I think it'll be a while yet but if anyone will allow it, it'll be Google. :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: Google Plus seems to be a walled garden. Wait for the API. :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:17:52PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: Google Plus seems to be a walled garden. Wait for the API. Will that API allow me to run a separte (compatible) server? API normally implies that you connect as a special client to a server. If I want to set up my own independent service that is allowed to chat with people using Google Plus (federated, as in as in XMPP, SIP and SMTP), I guess I will not be able to. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:17:52PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Tzafrir Cohen I don't see you on G+, are you there? :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:26:45PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:17:52PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Tzafrir Cohen I don't see you on G+, are you there? Me? You may see me there if it proves to be a federated service. I'm likewise not on Twitter and prefer Status.Net (ATM I actually have an account on http://identi.ca , but I may set up my own server). -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: I don't see you on G+, are you there? Me? You may see me there if it proves to be a federated service. Tzafrir, I know you so I know you won't take this as a personal insult. Why comment on something you aren't a part of? I can easily understand people not wanting to be on any of these networks, but I don't understand how they (not you in particular) can know what they're talking about if they haven't even seen it first hand. I guess it ends with the statement, not federated, not worth doing. That is a limitation I don't agree with, but we're not all the same. :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 07:08:55PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: I don't see you on G+, are you there? Me? You may see me there if it proves to be a federated service. Tzafrir, I know you so I know you won't take this as a personal insult. Why comment on something you aren't a part of? I can easily understand people not wanting to be on any of these networks, but I don't understand how they (not you in particular) can know what they're talking about if they haven't even seen it first hand. I guess it ends with the statement, not federated, not worth doing. That is a limitation I don't agree with, but we're not all the same. I corrected a few factual errors on your part. Then I answered some direct questions by you. But if you only look for feedback from the believers, why do you bother asking here? -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com wrote: I corrected a few factual errors on your part. Then I answered some direct questions by you. But if you only look for feedback from the believers, why do you bother asking here? My bad, in that case. Apologies! :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On 9 July 2011 12:34, randulo rand...@randulo.com wrote: Go ahead and lambast me for this post, it isn't specific to Asterisk, but: G+ has only been open at all for a week and I already am chatting with over 200 people who are into VoIP, Asterisk and all the rest of the stuff we here care about. If you don't care or are anti-social, fine. But you owe it to yourself to check it, because a lot of cool VoIP people are there and after all, Google themselves are doing some great stuff with VoIP, XMPP and video, and steadily moving towards open source. Come drink the Kool-Aid! Can you suggest a good way of finding/following appropriate VoIP/Asterisk people once on Google+? How do you then group them? Just in a Circle, or some other mechanism? Thanks, Steve -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Google Plus
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Steve Davies wrote: On 9 July 2011 12:34, randulo rand...@randulo.com wrote: Go ahead and lambast me for this post, it isn't specific to Asterisk, but: G+ has only been open at all for a week and I already am chatting with over 200 people who are into VoIP, Asterisk and all the rest of the stuff we here care about. If you don't care or are anti-social, fine. But you owe it to yourself to check it, because a lot of cool VoIP people are there and after all, Google themselves are doing some great stuff with VoIP, XMPP and video, and steadily moving towards open source. Come drink the Kool-Aid! Can you suggest a good way of finding/following appropriate VoIP/Asterisk people once on Google+? How do you then group them? Just in a Circle, or some other mechanism? I've just created a VoIPy circle - So I can then invite people I know into the circle by email address, and/or looking at someone else's circles and seing if they have something relevant in their summary tag and adding them into your own circle... (Or using their people search - e.g. for 'randulo' :) You can have people in more than one circle. Right now, it's a bit like a media-rich version of twitter with excellent filtering (the circles). I don't have camera/microphone/speakers on my PC, (got real desk SIP phones!) so haven't tried the audio/video chat yet, but the typing instant messaging type chat works just fine. I think Google are still slowly gating people into + though. I did have some invites, but seem to have used them all up now (google didn't tell me how many, the invite button just went away after a while!) I'd love to see SIP integration into it, so I can use my existing SIP toys with it. Gordon-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
