Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Jan 6, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: On 01/05/2011 01:51 PM, Tom Rymes wrote: On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom Tom, Good question. I'm not sure, but maybe I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone. I will take your suggestion into account as I'm not sure what to do. Do you have any intercom system recommendations? Would it be POE also, and something I could manage with Asterisk? -Andy Unfortunately, I have no recommendations, but I was just thinking of a simple, dumb intercom for between the kitchens, plus a phone for when you need to make a call. Any old phone will do. Perhaps something simple and durable like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/2554-Single-Line-Wall-Phone-w-Amp-Handset-Cortelco-AT-T-/200552549353?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb1dd0be9#ht_3437wt_1141 Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
If you do get a Polycom, the old 501 (discontinued) have a louder ring (or can be configured to have a louder ring, don`t quite remember) then the newer ones. But the others are right: it's not meant for this, at least not in a noisy environment. What can work though is a Polycom 321, with a (loud) speaker plugged into the 3.5mm port and properly configured to have the speaker take the call (see paging app and Polycom admin manual). It`s a bit of a hassle but it`s much better than the unreliable and expensive Cyberdata paging products (I hated the one I tried, replaced it with a 321 as described). Mike Ah.. so you've used the Cyberdata intercom and didn't like it. What about it was unreliable? Thank you for the inp. ut. Not the intercom, the paging server. It was in a very active environment (car dealership, sometimes many pages per minute). It just stopped responding for a few minutes once in a while. The config is actually very easy. Under less load, it worked well. What loud speaker did you end up going with? Polycom 321 with a 3.5mm plug to an external speaker. They already had something in place speaker-wise, so didn't bother checking. Was it cumbersome (space-wise) to have a phone and a loudspeaker? Space wasn't an issue there, it was a Polycom 321 connected to a building-wide paging system in a server room. I imagine on a busy kitchen wall it's different. Mike -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 01:51 PM, Tom Rymes wrote: On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom Tom, Good question. I'm not sure, but maybe I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone. I will take your suggestion into account as I'm not sure what to do. Do you have any intercom system recommendations? Would it be POE also, and something I could manage with Asterisk? -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant
It is indeed possible (quite common, actually) to run the wiring as you describe. If you want to keep the data and voice traffic separate, you can use VLANs to do so. Your switches will need to support VLANS, and you will need to configure VLANs to separate the voice and data traffic. As I understand it, though, you are still subject to the bandwidth limitations of the underlying network, so it's still possible that heavy traffic from the PC might affect the voice traffic. QOS or other methods might be used to help avoid this. For this reason, I personally prefer to keep my voice and data LANs physically separated when possible. Obviously, cost and complexity do increase somewhat. It's probably not a good solution for everyone, but it sounds like you have a pretty small installation and you might decide that the additional cost is justified. Tom -- Tom, amazing suggestion. I have been on the fence on how I should do this, and your last paragraph succinctly outlines what I've been thinking and leaning towards. I will follow your direction. Thank you for your response. I'm good at being molded. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
I'd definitely look into a phone mounted to the wall that has no actual handset, but merely buttons and a speaker grille. It should probably additionally be stainless steel, as I suspect it will need a good cleaning at least daily. The Polycom phones look great on a desk, but they are not industrial in design. What is this dream phone you speak of? Please help me in located it. I don't want to make a mistake with purchasing the wrong thing. I've never seen such a thing. We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. This is what I first imagined I would find, but I've not found this yet. Thank you for your response Tilghman. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/04/2011 09:02 PM, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: IMHO G.722 beats Clarity By Polycom every time. I had an IP335 for review before they launched. The audio quality is the same as the better models (IP450/550/650) only the user interface is different. Very good speakerphone, too. Review here: http://www.mgraves.org/2010/01/review-polycom-soundpoint-ip335-entry-level-hdvoice-ip-phone/ Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Michael, thanks for your response and sharing your excellent review! Beautiful website btw; I like the color scheme. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
I would. The whole Polycom line seems designed for desktop use, and the speakers just don't get very loud. I have especially had this complaint about the ring volume, even at some desktops! In the hotels where we have installations that include busy kitchen extensions there seems to be no substitute for an old analog wall mount phone with a really loud ringer (backed by an ATA). That doesn't help you with intercom though... j Jeff, thank you for your insight. Thats the second vote that I shouldn't be getting a regular phone to act as an intercom in a kitchen. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
If you do get a Polycom, the old 501 (discontinued) have a louder ring (or can be configured to have a louder ring, don`t quite remember) then the newer ones. But the others are right: it's not meant for this, at least not in a noisy environment. What can work though is a Polycom 321, with a (loud) speaker plugged into the 3.5mm port and properly configured to have the speaker take the call (see paging app and Polycom admin manual). It`s a bit of a hassle but it`s much better than the unreliable and expensive Cyberdata paging products (I hated the one I tried, replaced it with a 321 as described). Mike -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andy Graybeal Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; t...@casanueva.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen) I would. The whole Polycom line seems designed for desktop use, and the speakers just don't get very loud. I have especially had this complaint about the ring volume, even at some desktops! In the hotels where we have installations that include busy kitchen extensions there seems to be no substitute for an old analog wall mount phone with a really loud ringer (backed by an ATA). That doesn't help you with intercom though... j Jeff, thank you for your insight. Thats the second vote that I shouldn't be getting a regular phone to act as an intercom in a kitchen. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Wednesday 05 January 2011 06:50:19 Andy Graybeal wrote: I'd definitely look into a phone mounted to the wall that has no actual handset, but merely buttons and a speaker grille. It should probably additionally be stainless steel, as I suspect it will need a good cleaning at least daily. The Polycom phones look great on a desk, but they are not industrial in design. What is this dream phone you speak of? Please help me in located it. I don't want to make a mistake with purchasing the wrong thing. I've never seen such a thing. We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. This is what I first imagined I would find, but I've not found this yet. Top link on Google for stainless steel SIP intercom: http://www.adamtelco.com/valcom-vip-172l-st-stainless-steel-sip-intercom- doorphone.html Cyberdata appears to have another, too: http://www.alloy.com.au/010935.htm Yet another: http://www.zenitel.com/en/Stentofon/Products/Tamper--Vandal-Resistant- Substations/SIP-Vandal-Resistant-Substation/ -- Tilghman -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
Top link on Google for stainless steel SIP intercom: http://www.adamtelco.com/valcom-vip-172l-st-stainless-steel-sip-intercom- doorphone.html Cyberdata appears to have another, too: http://www.alloy.com.au/010935.htm Yet another: http://www.zenitel.com/en/Stentofon/Products/Tamper--Vandal-Resistant- Substations/SIP-Vandal-Resistant-Substation/ Tilghman, Thank you for the response. The zenitel.com link looks nice in the picture! -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On 01/05/2011 01:51 PM, Tom Rymes wrote: On 01/05/2011 7:50 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: We've got two noisy kitchens that need to talk back and forth. Andy, Why, exactly, are you trying to combine an inter-kitchen intercom and your phone system? Might it make more sense to have a non-phone-based intercom system, plus a phone for making phone calls? Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Phones make great intercoms when the volume gets loud enough. The polycom 321/331 doesn't have a very loud speakerphone. You may be interested in a paging system. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant
On 01/03/2011 07:53 PM, cjwstudios wrote: Andy, The 501 and 320 are EOL. I'd go for the IP335 and a 2626-PWR, since the 2626 can support vlans you can isolate data and voice. Make sure to spec a UPS on the PoE switch. CJW, Awesome. Thanks for the input. For some reason or another I figured EOL wasn't such a bad thing as I could pick up the phones for cheap on ebay or something; but maybe this isn't the best of plans. The IP335 is on average about $10 more than the 501 or 320 new anyway. I thought that the 2610-24/12-PWR had the ability for VLAN as well? Not that it matters, it looks like I can get the 2626-PWR for under $600, and that fills out POE to all the ports. Is it possible that I can run one cable to the phone, then run a cable from the phone to a computer or another device and have those the phone and computer or other device be on separate networks? I'm sorry if this sounds newbish; I'm still learning. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Andy Graybeal andy.grayb...@casanueva.com wrote: On 01/03/2011 07:53 PM, cjwstudios wrote: Andy, The 501 and 320 are EOL. I'd go for the IP335 and a 2626-PWR, since the 2626 can support vlans you can isolate data and voice. Make sure to spec a UPS on the PoE switch. CJW, Awesome. Thanks for the input. For some reason or another I figured EOL wasn't such a bad thing as I could pick up the phones for cheap on ebay or something; but maybe this isn't the best of plans. The IP335 is on average about $10 more than the 501 or 320 new anyway. I thought that the 2610-24/12-PWR had the ability for VLAN as well? Not that it matters, it looks like I can get the 2626-PWR for under $600, and that fills out POE to all the ports. Is it possible that I can run one cable to the phone, then run a cable from the phone to a computer or another device and have those the phone and computer or other device be on separate networks? I'm sorry if this sounds newbish; I'm still learning. The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant
On 01/04/2011 8:52 AM, Andy Graybeal wrote: Is it possible that I can run one cable to the phone, then run a cable from the phone to a computer or another device and have those the phone and computer or other device be on separate networks? I'm sorry if this sounds newbish; I'm still learning. I'm no networking expert, but no one else has answered, so I'll give it a shot. It is indeed possible (quite common, actually) to run the wiring as you describe. If you want to keep the data and voice traffic separate, you can use VLANs to do so. Your switches will need to support VLANS, and you will need to configure VLANs to separate the voice and data traffic. As I understand it, though, you are still subject to the bandwidth limitations of the underlying network, so it's still possible that heavy traffic from the PC might affect the voice traffic. QOS or other methods might be used to help avoid this. For this reason, I personally prefer to keep my voice and data LANs physically separated when possible. Obviously, cost and complexity do increase somewhat. It's probably not a good solution for everyone, but it sounds like you have a pretty small installation and you might decide that the additional cost is justified. Tom -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same features as the 321. I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm writing it into this years budget. I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has Clarity by Polycom. Which would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Andy Graybeal wrote: The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same features as the 321. I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm writing it into this years budget. I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has Clarity by Polycom. Which would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? I would. The whole Polycom line seems designed for desktop use, and the speakers just don't get very loud. I have especially had this complaint about the ring volume, even at some desktops! In the hotels where we have installations that include busy kitchen extensions there seems to be no substitute for an old analog wall mount phone with a really loud ringer (backed by an ATA). That doesn't help you with intercom though... j -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
On Tuesday 04 January 2011 16:15:54 Andy Graybeal wrote: The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same features as the 321. I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm writing it into this years budget. I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has Clarity by Polycom. Which would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? I'd definitely look into a phone mounted to the wall that has no actual handset, but merely buttons and a speaker grille. It should probably additionally be stainless steel, as I suspect it will need a good cleaning at least daily. The Polycom phones look great on a desk, but they are not industrial in design. -- Tilghman -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen)
IMHO G.722 beats Clarity By Polycom every time. I had an IP335 for review before they launched. The audio quality is the same as the better models (IP450/550/650) only the user interface is different. Very good speakerphone, too. Review here: http://www.mgraves.org/2010/01/review-polycom-soundpoint-ip335-entry-level-hdvoice-ip-phone/ Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Original Message Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant (kitchen) From: Andy Graybeal andy.grayb...@casanueva.com Date: Tue, January 04, 2011 4:15 pm To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com The Polycom 321 has not been EOL'd and supports VLAN. It is, however, lacking a 2nd ethernet port if you were to go that route. -M Thanks for the response Mark. I see the 331 has two ports and the same features as the 321. I'm wondering what phone would be best being used as an intercom in a busy kitchen. I asked this some months ago; but this time around I'm writing it into this years budget. I see the 335 has HD Voice and the 321 has Clarity by Polycom. Which would be best in a noisy kitchen using the devices speaker phone? Should I seek another device for the kitchen all-together? -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] VoIP PoE phones for restaurant
Andy, The 501 and 320 are EOL. I'd go for the IP335 and a 2626-PWR, since the 2626 can support vlans you can isolate data and voice. Make sure to spec a UPS on the PoE switch. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Andy Graybeal andy.grayb...@casanueva.comwrote: Greetings, I mailed the list regarding an intercom system some months ago and we came to the conclusion that I should purchase a Polycom 501 phone. I'm now considering the purchase for this year, and I'm now wondering between the Polycom 501 and the 320 for the intercom. I don't need the spare ethernet on the phone because I would like to have my voice network separate from my regular LAN. Which one would be easier to use, the 501 or the 320? I want PoE, were these both made before PoE was standardized and do I need a special cable? Can I make this cable myself? In the future we plan to have 7 phones in the house. I'm considering what kind of PoE switch I should purchase. I have 3 PoE access points (for two separate LANs). I've been considering th HP ProCurve 2610-24/12PWR Switch (J9086A) ( http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/il/en/sm/WF06b/12883-12883-3445275-427605-427605-3751584-3658873.html) It's got 12 PoE ports, it's managed, and it looks like I can pick one up for under $500. Any help is appreciated. -Andy -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
