Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
I mean part of RTP RFC?

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
 noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
 port for a call I made:

 10200
 10201
 10504
 10505

 Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000 in
 my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that part
 of SIP RFC?

 Thanks

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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread David White
Each media stream will use two, one for RTP and one for RTCP.  In your case
10200/10201 are an RTP/RTCP pair, and 10504/10505 are another pair.  RTP is
always and even numbered port, and RTCP is always RTP port + 1.  Yes, it's
in the RFC for RTP.

 

The fact that you have two pairs means that two media streams are being
negotiated, perhaps one for audio and one for video?  Your phone config or
wireshark captures will tell you for certain.

 

Of course, I'm assuming that those ports are for one endpoint (phone).  If
one pair is for caller and one pair is for callee, then this is a normal
simplest scenario, one pair for each side.   You didn't specify whose
ports they were.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

 

I mean part of RTP RFC?

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
port for a call I made:

 

10200

10201

10504

10505

 

Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000 in
my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that part
of SIP RFC?

 

Thanks

 



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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Gary Allen
RTP always uses a random even numbered port, then RTCP will use the next
port, which will always be odd numbered.  Symmetric RTP only needs two
ports, while asymmetric RTP uses four.

http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc4961.html



On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I mean part of RTP RFC?


 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
 noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
 port for a call I made:

 10200
 10201
 10504
 10505

 Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000 in
 my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that part
 of SIP RFC?

 Thanks



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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
Thanks guys. I am not sure whether that call was asymmetric or not but I saw
4 ports open. It could be that the other two ports were remnant of another
channel even though I doubt it.

Now, when I tried again, it is only 2 ports that is opened like you
mentioned, even RTP port, and RTP port +1. So, does Asterisk usually use
the symmetric method or is the asymmetric method used as well by some media
servers?

The reason why I am asking is because there are many many
online responses that there is 4 ports needed per call and make sure you
keep enough ports open, blah blah...

Thanks again

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Gary Allen solsta...@gmail.com wrote:

 RTP always uses a random even numbered port, then RTCP will use the next
 port, which will always be odd numbered.  Symmetric RTP only needs two
 ports, while asymmetric RTP uses four.

 http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc4961.html



 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I mean part of RTP RFC?


 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
 noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
 port for a call I made:

 10200
 10201
 10504
 10505

 Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000
 in my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that
 part of SIP RFC?

 Thanks



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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Danny Nicholas
Hurray for Microsoft Outlook (for creating this whole top-post thread).
Just my .02;  The other two ports must have been a remnant of another
channel;  as for the 4 ports - I think that the 4 port requirement is
probably for niceties like conferencing and transfers.

 

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To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

 

Thanks guys. I am not sure whether that call was asymmetric or not but I saw
4 ports open. It could be that the other two ports were remnant of another
channel even though I doubt it. 

 

Now, when I tried again, it is only 2 ports that is opened like you
mentioned, even RTP port, and RTP port +1. So, does Asterisk usually use the
symmetric method or is the asymmetric method used as well by some media
servers? 

 

The reason why I am asking is because there are many many online responses
that there is 4 ports needed per call and make sure you keep enough ports
open, blah blah...

 

Thanks again

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Gary Allen solsta...@gmail.com wrote:

RTP always uses a random even numbered port, then RTCP will use the next
port, which will always be odd numbered.  Symmetric RTP only needs two
ports, while asymmetric RTP uses four.

http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc4961.html




On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

I mean part of RTP RFC?

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
port for a call I made:

 

10200

10201

10504

10505

 

Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000 in
my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that part
of SIP RFC?

 

Thanks

 

 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
Also, to get the SIP very well as well, SIP uses both TCP/UDP 5060 right?
and why are there recommendations of opening 5000-5082 UDP for SIP along
with 5060 TCP? Are there any niceties to that as well? maybe video
transmission stuff?

Thanks again,

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it. Thanks. Makes sense to keep an extra two in mind for conference
 etc

 Off topic - what is top post? I am using gmail + chrome - no ugly Outlook.


 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote:

  Hurray for Microsoft Outlook (for creating this whole top-post thread).
 Just my .02;  The other two ports must have been a remnant of another
 channel;  as for the 4 ports – I think that the 4 port requirement is
 probably for “niceties” like conferencing and transfers.


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 asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce B
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 *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?



 Thanks guys. I am not sure whether that call was asymmetric or not but I
 saw 4 ports open. It could be that the other two ports were remnant of
 another channel even though I doubt it.



 Now, when I tried again, it is only 2 ports that is opened like you
 mentioned, even RTP port, and RTP port +1. So, does Asterisk usually use
 the symmetric method or is the asymmetric method used as well by some media
 servers?



 The reason why I am asking is because there are many many
 online responses that there is 4 ports needed per call and make sure you
 keep enough ports open, blah blah...



 Thanks again

 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Gary Allen solsta...@gmail.com wrote:

 RTP always uses a random even numbered port, then RTCP will use the next
 port, which will always be odd numbered.  Symmetric RTP only needs two
 ports, while asymmetric RTP uses four.

 http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc4961.html


   On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

  I mean part of RTP RFC?



 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,



 I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
 noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
 port for a call I made:



 10200

 10201

 10504

 10505



 Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000 in
 my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that part
 of SIP RFC?



 Thanks





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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
Got it. Thanks. Makes sense to keep an extra two in mind for conference
etc

Off topic - what is top post? I am using gmail + chrome - no ugly Outlook.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote:

  Hurray for Microsoft Outlook (for creating this whole top-post thread).
 Just my .02;  The other two ports must have been a remnant of another
 channel;  as for the 4 ports – I think that the 4 port requirement is
 probably for “niceties” like conferencing and transfers.


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 asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce B
 *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 2:15 PM

 *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?



 Thanks guys. I am not sure whether that call was asymmetric or not but I
 saw 4 ports open. It could be that the other two ports were remnant of
 another channel even though I doubt it.



 Now, when I tried again, it is only 2 ports that is opened like you
 mentioned, even RTP port, and RTP port +1. So, does Asterisk usually use
 the symmetric method or is the asymmetric method used as well by some media
 servers?



 The reason why I am asking is because there are many many
 online responses that there is 4 ports needed per call and make sure you
 keep enough ports open, blah blah...



 Thanks again

 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Gary Allen solsta...@gmail.com wrote:

 RTP always uses a random even numbered port, then RTCP will use the next
 port, which will always be odd numbered.  Symmetric RTP only needs two
 ports, while asymmetric RTP uses four.

 http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc4961.html


   On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

  I mean part of RTP RFC?



 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone,



 I am just tweaking a pfSense router and learning lots about NAT etcI
 noticed that each call uses four UDP port for RTP. Here is an example of
 port for a call I made:



 10200

 10201

 10504

 10505



 Seems like they are random in pair. I have a restriction of 1-11000 in
 my rtp.conf so that makes sense. But why use 4 ports per call? is that part
 of SIP RFC?



 Thanks





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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 14 January 2011 15:12:29 Bruce B wrote:
 Off topic - what is top post? I am using gmail + chrome - no ugly
 Outlook.

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=top+posting

It's why most of the experts in here ignore your posts.  If you haven't got
the good sense to follow etiquette, the Delete key becomes the first line
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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Tom Rymes

On 01/14/2011 4:19 PM, Bruce B wrote:

Also, to get the SIP very well as well, SIP uses both TCP/UDP 5060
right? and why are there recommendations of opening 5000-5082 UDP for
SIP along with 5060 TCP? Are there any niceties to that as well? maybe
video transmission stuff?


More likely, it's because only one client behind NAT can use port 5060, 
so other clients need to use other ports. Could be another reason, though.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
So, simply pressing Reply and typing in the first line (using gmail webmail
without any clients) is a sin here? How is that top posting??? probably your
clients reading that way?

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Tilghman Lesher tilgh...@meg.abyt.eswrote:

 On Friday 14 January 2011 15:12:29 Bruce B wrote:
  Off topic - what is top post? I am using gmail + chrome - no ugly
  Outlook.

 http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=top+posting

 It's why most of the experts in here ignore your posts.  If you haven't got
 the good sense to follow etiquette, the Delete key becomes the first line
 of defense.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Gilles
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:29:26 -0500, Tom Rymes try...@rymes.com
wrote:

On 01/14/2011 4:19 PM, Bruce B wrote:
 Also, to get the SIP very well as well, SIP uses both TCP/UDP 5060
 right? and why are there recommendations of opening 5000-5082 UDP for
 SIP along with 5060 TCP? Are there any niceties to that as well? maybe
 video transmission stuff?

More likely, it's because only one client behind NAT can use port 5060, 
so other clients need to use other ports. Could be another reason, though.

FWIW, by default, GrandStream Budget phones use UDP 5004 for RTP.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Tom Rymes

On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Bruce B wrote:

 So, simply pressing Reply and typing in the first line (using gmail webmail 
 without any clients) is a sin here? How is that top posting??? probably your 
 clients reading that way?

It may be a sin here, but it is certainly impolite many places, and illogical 
everywhere. This is because we normally read top to bottom, but top-posting 
forces you to read bottom to top.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
You really want to read the LONG LONG signature from some people before you
read the actual latest message? I don't know about thatI guess it's a
preference.

Back to my other questions,  now that UDP is clear for me, what ports does
SIP require? TCP/UDP 5060 ? and why are there recommendations of opening
5000-5082 UDP for SIP along with 5060 TCP? Are there any niceties to that
as well? maybe video transmission stuff?

Thanks

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Tom Rymes try...@rymes.com wrote:


 On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Bruce B wrote:

  So, simply pressing Reply and typing in the first line (using gmail
 webmail without any clients) is a sin here? How is that top posting???
 probably your clients reading that way?

 It may be a sin here, but it is certainly impolite many places, and
 illogical everywhere. This is because we normally read top to bottom, but
 top-posting forces you to read bottom to top.

 Tom
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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Tom Rymes
On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Bruce B wrote:

 You really want to read the LONG LONG signature from some people before you 
 read the actual latest message? I don't know about thatI guess it's a 
 preference.

Suffice it to say, Bruce, this subject has been hashed over thousands, nay, 
hundreds of thousands of times, and I doubt anything new can be had from doing 
it again. 

FYI, It is also considered good etiquette to remove any non-relevant 
information from the quoted text to keep it short and easy to parse, especially 
removing the automatically generated footers from the list.

As for your question about ports (see, I can stay on topic occasionally!), 
someone already mentioned something about some equipment using 5004 for RTP, 
IIRC, and I mentioned the common use of 5061, 5062, 5063, etc for multiple SIP 
clients behind NAT. There may be other reasons, too.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Bruce B
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Tom Rymes try...@rymes.com wrote:

 On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Bruce B wrote:

  You really want to read the LONG LONG signature from some people before
 you read the actual latest message? I don't know about thatI guess it's
 a preference.

 Suffice it to say, Bruce, this subject has been hashed over thousands, nay,
 hundreds of thousands of times, and I doubt anything new can be had from
 doing it again.

 FYI, It is also considered good etiquette to remove any non-relevant
 information from the quoted text to keep it short and easy to parse,
 especially removing the automatically generated footers from the list.

 As for your question about ports (see, I can stay on topic occasionally!),
 someone already mentioned something about some equipment using 5004 for RTP,
 IIRC, and I mentioned the common use of 5061, 5062, 5063, etc for multiple
 SIP clients behind NAT. There may be other reasons, too.

 Tom



Thanks. That is in both TCP and UDP for SIP right? or simply UDP would do it
as well? I am talking strictly in case of Asterisk.

-Bruce
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Re: [asterisk-users] Why are 4 ports used for a single call?

2011-01-14 Thread Tom Rymes
On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Bruce B wrote:

 Thanks. That is in both TCP and UDP for SIP right? or simply UDP would do it 
 as well? I am talking strictly in case of Asterisk.

Asterisk 1.6 and newer support SIP over TCP. Older versions were UDP only, IIRC.

Tom
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