Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Used the Snom M9 Wifi DECT phones, they work like charm. SIPDroid on Android phones work good too, however latency is going to be nightmare for u in softphone n wifi kinda scenario. Use good quality Access Points like Ruckus Wireless. Mitul On May 7, 2012 1:55 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be wrote: All, has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Does this work properly? What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? Thx!! B. -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Hi, thx! The Snom M9 does not look like a Wifi phone however, nor is it a smarthpone. In order to use that I would have to use access points that can handle both Wifi and DECT. Astraa seems to have (an expensive) one. SIPDroid crossed my mind. You say they work OK but the latency is problematic? Is the experience as a whole then not poblematic? thx! B. On 05/07/12 10:29, Mitul Limbani wrote: Used the Snom M9 Wifi DECT phones, they work like charm. SIPDroid on Android phones work good too, however latency is going to be nightmare for u in softphone n wifi kinda scenario. Use good quality Access Points like Ruckus Wireless. Mitul On May 7, 2012 1:55 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be mailto:bart.conin...@telenet.be wrote: All, has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Does this work properly? What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? Thx!! B. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Yeah well Snom M9 is a Wifi DECT Phone (it creates its own 2.4Ghz Frequency which is understood only between Base Station n M9 Units, It works just like your standard Chordless phones) difference being that the Base station is SIP enabled. SIP Droid is great to work with, it solves most of the issues. You should definitely give it a shot. Regards, Mitul Limbani, Chief Architech Founder, Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd. 110 Reena Complex, Opp. Nathani Steel, Vidyavihar (W), Mumbai - 400 086. India http://www.enterux.com/ http://www.entvoice.com/ email: mi...@enterux.in DID: +91-22-61447605 Cell: +91-9820332422 On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.bewrote: Hi, thx! The Snom M9 does not look like a Wifi phone however, nor is it a smarthpone. In order to use that I would have to use access points that can handle both Wifi and DECT. Astraa seems to have (an expensive) one. SIPDroid crossed my mind. You say they work OK but the latency is problematic? Is the experience as a whole then not poblematic? thx! B. On 05/07/12 10:29, Mitul Limbani wrote: Used the Snom M9 Wifi DECT phones, they work like charm. SIPDroid on Android phones work good too, however latency is going to be nightmare for u in softphone n wifi kinda scenario. Use good quality Access Points like Ruckus Wireless. Mitul On May 7, 2012 1:55 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be wrote: All, has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Does this work properly? What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? Thx!! B. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be writes: has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Yes... Does this work properly? It works nicely for home use for power users who can accept the odd lost call and know how to restart the app or the phone when something goes wrong. Unfortunately I haven't found anything so far which works for business use. The largest problem is that smartphones can't afford (battery-wise) to check for wifi connectivity all the time. If the phone loses connection to the wifi, it often takes more than a minute before it is ready to receive calls again. What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? iPhone, Android, and Symbian are about equally troublesome. /Benny -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Benny, very useful, thank you. So, in short, at this stage it's best to go DECT for wireless and if DECT and Wifi need to be combined (because both types of devices exist in the organization), it's preferable to go to access points that offer both networks. Correct? thx, BC On 05/07/12 10:57, Benny Amorsen wrote: Bart Coninckxbart.conin...@telenet.be writes: has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Yes... Does this work properly? It works nicely for home use for power users who can accept the odd lost call and know how to restart the app or the phone when something goes wrong. Unfortunately I haven't found anything so far which works for business use. The largest problem is that smartphones can't afford (battery-wise) to check for wifi connectivity all the time. If the phone loses connection to the wifi, it often takes more than a minute before it is ready to receive calls again. What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? iPhone, Android, and Symbian are about equally troublesome. /Benny -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? thx, BC On 05/07/12 10:57, Benny Amorsen wrote: Bart Coninckxbart.conin...@telenet.be writes: has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Yes... Does this work properly? It works nicely for home use for power users who can accept the odd lost call and know how to restart the app or the phone when something goes wrong. Unfortunately I haven't found anything so far which works for business use. The largest problem is that smartphones can't afford (battery-wise) to check for wifi connectivity all the time. If the phone loses connection to the wifi, it often takes more than a minute before it is ready to receive calls again. What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? iPhone, Android, and Symbian are about equally troublesome. /Benny -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Well in that case, you might seriously want to look @ M9 they are cost effective n definitely work. Most of these cell phone type looking phones have a serious battery drainage problem. Smartphones really have a long way to understand how to preserve battery and deliver one thing (i.e. calls) very effectively, infact a Multi Function device (MFD) like smart phone has this issue. Regards, Mitul Limbani, Chief Architech Founder, Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd. 110 Reena Complex, Opp. Nathani Steel, Vidyavihar (W), Mumbai - 400 086. India http://www.enterux.com/ http://www.entvoice.com/ email: mi...@enterux.in DID: +91-22-61447605 Cell: +91-9820332422 On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.bewrote: What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php ) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? thx, BC On 05/07/12 10:57, Benny Amorsen wrote: Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be bart.conin...@telenet.be writes: has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Yes... Does this work properly? It works nicely for home use for power users who can accept the odd lost call and know how to restart the app or the phone when something goes wrong. Unfortunately I haven't found anything so far which works for business use. The largest problem is that smartphones can't afford (battery-wise) to check for wifi connectivity all the time. If the phone loses connection to the wifi, it often takes more than a minute before it is ready to receive calls again. What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? iPhone, Android, and Symbian are about equally troublesome. /Benny -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
man, 07 05 2012 kl. 12:03 +0200, skrev Bart Coninckx: What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? I don't know that particular phone, but dedicated wifi phones definitely CAN work for professional use. E.g. ASCOM phones work absolutely great, they are just expensive. /Benny -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
The phone I pointed to is a WiFi phone, the M9 is a DECT phone. Different animal. The question is regarding using WiFi as the WiFi infrastructure is already in place. I understand smartphones is not a good option, but what about these WiFi SIP phones? thx! B. On 05/07/12 12:21, Mitul Limbani wrote: Well in that case, you might seriously want to look @ M9 they are cost effective n definitely work. Most of these cell phone type looking phones have a serious battery drainage problem. Smartphones really have a long way to understand how to preserve battery and deliver one thing (i.e. calls) very effectively, infact a Multi Function device (MFD) like smart phone has this issue. Regards, Mitul Limbani, Chief Architech Founder, Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd. 110 Reena Complex, Opp. Nathani Steel, Vidyavihar (W), Mumbai - 400 086. India http://www.enterux.com/ http://www.entvoice.com/ email: mi...@enterux.in mailto:mi...@enterux.in DID: +91-22-61447605 Cell: +91-9820332422 On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be mailto:bart.conin...@telenet.be wrote: What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? thx, BC On 05/07/12 10:57, Benny Amorsen wrote: Bart Coninckxbart.conin...@telenet.be mailto:bart.conin...@telenet.be writes: has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Yes... Does this work properly? It works nicely for home use for power users who can accept the odd lost call and know how to restart the app or the phone when something goes wrong. Unfortunately I haven't found anything so far which works for business use. The largest problem is that smartphones can't afford (battery-wise) to check for wifi connectivity all the time. If the phone loses connection to the wifi, it often takes more than a minute before it is ready to receive calls again. What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? iPhone, Android, and Symbian are about equally troublesome. /Benny -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided byhttp://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Il 07/05/2012 10.46, Mitul Limbani ha scritto: Yeah well Snom M9 is a Wifi DECT Phone (it creates its own 2.4Ghz Frequency which is understood only between Base Station n M9 Units Certainly nothing to do with wifi, neither the frequency/phisical layer nor the protocols involved matches. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECT - http://wiki.snom.com/FAQ/What_is_the_channel_diagram_for_DECT_6.0_between_EU_and_US -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
On 5/7/2012 4:24 AM, Bart Coninckx wrote: has anyone any experience in using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients? Does this work properly? What models/brands are optimal for this (in terms of ease of use, battery life etc)? www.acrobits.cz has Acrobits and Groundwire, which are both great on iPhone. They also ahve software for Android, but I cant attest. -- Jeremy Kister http://jeremy.kister.net./ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
On 05/07/12 13:04, Benny Amorsen wrote: man, 07 05 2012 kl. 12:03 +0200, skrev Bart Coninckx: What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? I don't know that particular phone, but dedicated wifi phones definitely CAN work for professional use. E.g. ASCOM phones work absolutely great, they are just expensive. /Benny Does anyone know how things have evolved regarding sessions/call handover in wifi? I remember reading this document in 2008: http://www.abpsec.com/blog/the-dect-versus-wlan-wifi-debate/ http://www.abpsec.com/blog/the-dect-versus-wlan-wifi-debate/ which basically states that it's a bad idea as interruptions of 70 ms are involved. Is this still a challenge? Rgds, BC http://www.abpsec.com/blog/the-dect-versus-wlan-wifi-debate/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
Bart Coninckx wrote: I understand smartphones is not a good option, but what about these WiFi SIP phones? I thing smartfones simply lack a business grade softhone implementation. WiFi SIP phones share some problem with smartphones: battery runtime and, most important, roaming and handover. In WiFi network handling roaming/handover is up to the client, this is the same kind of problem that arises in mobile WiFi POS systems. Compared to DECT standard which implements roaming/handover this is a major drawback. Implementing a proper roaming/handover in WiFi networks, using wireless controllers and suitable access points, is very expensive. Where such expensive WiFi infrastructure have to be built only to properly serve wireless phones a DECT multicell system is definitely a winner considering coverage, features and battery runtime. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
On 05/07/12 13:50, giovanni.v wrote: I thing smartfones simply lack a business grade softhone implementation. WiFi SIP phones share some problem with smartphones: battery runtime and, most important, roaming and handover. In WiFi network handling roaming/handover is up to the client, this is the same kind of problem that arises in mobile WiFi POS systems. Compared to DECT standard which implements roaming/handover this is a major drawback. Implementing a proper roaming/handover in WiFi networks, using wireless controllers and suitable access points, is very expensive. Where such expensive WiFi infrastructure have to be built only to properly serve wireless phones a DECT multicell system is definitely a winner considering coverage, features and battery runtime. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Giovanni, I think you're completely right. Even to this day, it seems that Wifi is not ready for voice, except while investing a lot of time/money. DECT it is, BC -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Bart Coninckx wrote: What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? I've been using a UTStarcom GF-210 for the last year and more as my personal phone - dual-mode 2G GSM and SIP/802.11. Sound quality on SIP is slightly better than 2G, getting it to talk to Asterisk is no problem at all, but certainly if you're moving from one wifi device to another you will get dropped calls. If that's your use case, it's going to be that way whatever hardware you use - I haven't seen any implementations of 802.11F or 802.11r in the field. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 19:03 +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Bart Coninckx wrote: What about phones like the Unidata WPU-7800 ( http://www.udcsystems.com/product/wpu7800.php) ? Does anyone have experience with those? Would these also suffer from connection losses? I've been using a UTStarcom GF-210 for the last year and more as my personal phone - dual-mode 2G GSM and SIP/802.11. Sound quality on SIP is slightly better than 2G, getting it to talk to Asterisk is no problem at all, but certainly if you're moving from one wifi device to another you will get dropped calls. If that's your use case, it's going to be that way whatever hardware you use - I haven't seen any implementations of 802.11F or 802.11r in the field. Hope that these are better that the utstar F1000: Keep on re-chargibg as battery is empty in no-time, and security is lousy; just wep, no wpa. hw -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] using Wifi smartphones as SIP clients
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 09:14:36PM +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote: Hope that these are better that the utstar F1000: Keep on re-chargibg as battery is empty in no-time, and security is lousy; just wep, no wpa. WPA and WPA2. Battery lasts about a day in dual mode, much longer in 2G-only of course. And at UKP30 they may be worth a punt even if you end up upgrading to something else. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
