RE: Comments on atompub-format-08 (Modified by Tim Bray)

2005-04-25 Thread Bob Wyman
Graham Parks wrote: It's just I've never seen a byline in a newspaper that features more than one name, and that's all the author element is there for. See: Rice and Cheney Are Said to Push Iraqi Politicians on Stalemate By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and JOEL BRINKLEY

Placeholder alternate links (was: RE: Issues with draft -08, Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-format-08.txt)

2005-04-25 Thread Bob Wyman
Julian Rescke wrote: I really think that we should do something about the link/rel=alternate issue. Requiring additional metadata that sometimes doesn't exist (such as if the feed is self-contained) IMHO leeds to implementors to ignore the requirement, or to just put in a placeholder link

Re: Comments on atompub-format-08 (Modified by Tim Bray)

2005-04-25 Thread Graham
On 25 Apr 2005, at 7:17 am, Bob Wyman wrote: Graham Parks wrote: It's just I've never seen a byline in a newspaper that features more than one name, and that's all the author element is there for. See: Rice and Cheney Are Said to Push Iraqi Politicians on Stalemate By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and JOEL

Re: Last Call: required summary or content?

2005-04-25 Thread Graham
Can you post some links to examples of feeds you think are difficult to express in the current syntax? That would be considerably more constructive than whatever the hell that was. Graham

Re: Last Call: required summary or content?

2005-04-25 Thread Robert Sayre
Graham wrote: Can you post some links to examples of feeds you think are difficult to express in the current syntax? That would be considerably more constructive than whatever the hell that was. I've done that before. Go read the archives.

PaceOptionalSummary

2005-04-25 Thread Tim Bray
On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Graham wrote: Can you post some links to examples of feeds you think are difficult to express in the current syntax? That would be considerably more constructive than whatever the hell that was. What Rob wants is what he said in

Re: PaceOptionalSummary

2005-04-25 Thread Graham
I would much prefer changing the MUST to a SHOULD rather than dropping the requirement completely, which would achieve the same goal. I don't believe requiring at least a summary is an unfair baseline requirement in other use cases. (btw I also think there's an equally valid use-case for

Re: Last Call: required summary or content?

2005-04-25 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. Speaking as an IESG member with limited context on the issue you raise, you did not provide enough detail for me to understand the point you bring up. I think the focus of your message was wrong. You spent a lot of space talking about IETF process and about how this would effect various

Re: PaceOptionalSummary

2005-04-25 Thread Sam Ruby
Tim Bray wrote: On Apr 25, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Graham wrote: Can you post some links to examples of feeds you think are difficult to express in the current syntax? That would be considerably more constructive than whatever the hell that was. What Rob wants is what he said in

Re: Last Call: required summary or content?

2005-04-25 Thread Robert Sayre
Sam Hartman wrote: Hi. Speaking as an IESG member with limited context on the issue you raise, you did not provide enough detail for me to understand the point you bring up. Hi Sam. I apologize for that. I see now that I was too brief on the technical point, and too long winded for the IESG. The

Re: PaceOptionalSummary

2005-04-25 Thread Robert Sayre
On 4/25/05, Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Bray wrote: I decided it would help if there was an actual Pace: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceOptionalSummary It doesn't make sense to REQUIRE protocol elements for which there are valid reasonable use cases where

Fwd: For review: application/atom+xml

2005-04-25 Thread Mark Nottingham
Comments on the media type template. Begin forwarded message: From: Mark Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: April 20, 2005 11:13:54 AM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: For review: application/atom+xml [ CC: IESG, since I suppose this counts as a last call comment ] Mark,

Re: Last Call: required summary or content?

2005-04-25 Thread Sam Ruby
Robert Sayre wrote: * What the specification does currently In an Atom Entry, the specification currently requires a minimum set of elements: title, id, and updated. Typically, there will also be a link element. The specification includes a provision that allows its omission on the condition

Re: For review: application/atom+xml

2005-04-25 Thread Tim Bray
On Apr 25, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: Comments on the media type template. He's got a point on the namespace being mentioned, which creates some semi-circular dependencies, sigh. As to whether it's currently in use, largely due to lobbying from us, recent releases of both

Re: PaceOptionalSummary

2005-04-25 Thread Antone Roundy
On Monday, April 25, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I decided it would help if there was an actual Pace: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceOptionalSummary +1

Re: PaceOptionalSummary

2005-04-25 Thread Tim Bray
I was driving to the airport with Lauren, whom some of you will know, she's technical but hasn't been following Atom. I explained the debate we are having over the required-ness of atom:summary, and she said Don't you have anything better to talk about? I suspect she has a point. Suppose we