Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-12-15 Thread Julian Reschke
Joe Gregorio schrieb: ... This is the documented consensus of the WG. The next draft will have verbage that makes this position clearer. If some implementations find that too loose and want octet-for-octet storage they can use always WebDAV. [1]

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-12-15 Thread Sam Ruby
Joe Gregorio wrote: On 12/14/06, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I first saw this in a response made by Roy Fielding to an assertion that servers must treat HTTP PUT as a bit-for-bit copy, but I can't immediately find the reference.

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-12-14 05:45]: 1) Define ;type=feed and ;type=entry as optional parameters. (i.e. get them defined, registered, and ready to use.) 2) Leave RFC4287 unchanged. i.e. do NOT re-define application/atom-xml 3) New specifications MAY require that ;type=entry be

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread David Powell
Thursday, December 14, 2006, 9:04:00 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Dec 13, 2006, at 17:51, Mark Baker wrote: But given that an alternative exists which shouldn't break those servers, why not use it when there's no apparent downside? The downside is that implementations that (quite

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:43:58 +0100, A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Define ;type=feed and ;type=entry as optional parameters. (i.e. get them defined, registered, and ready to use.) 2) Leave RFC4287 unchanged. i.e. do NOT re-define application/atom-xml 3) New specifications MAY require

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread David Powell
I've always interpreted a kind of inheritance relationship between MIME types. It's never wrong to label an Excel file, an XML document, or an Atom Feed as application/octet-stream, because all of those types ARE octet-streams. It is just not as helpful as it could be. Likewise, it is never

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Joe Gregorio
On 12/14/06, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Wyman wrote: There is, I think, a compromise position here which will avoid breaking those existing implementations which follow the existing RFC's. co-chair-modeIn case you haven't noticed, the WG is hopelessly split between the

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-12-15 Thread Tim Bray
Lisa Dusseault wrote: Can a client modify an entry to contain a link relation element in the following cases: - To point to a resource on a different server entirely? There is no reason to believe that any of these resource are on the same machine to begin with. I could POST to media to

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Hugh Winkler
On 12/15/06, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always interpreted a kind of inheritance relationship between MIME types. It's telling that James felt it natural to choose the name type for the parameter. Because it really is naming a new type of document. In programming, whenever

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Bob Wyman
On 12/15/06, Hugh Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's telling that James felt it natural to choose the name type for the parameter. Because it really is naming a new type of document. What would be better than type? Might root work better? It seems to me that

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Hugh Winkler
On 12/15/06, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/15/06, Hugh Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's telling that James felt it natural to choose the name type for the parameter. Because it really is naming a new type of document. What would be better than type? Might root work better?

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-15 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I don't feel that changing parts of RFC4287 is appropriate for an individual draft, particularly when the WG that did RFC4287 exists. Certainly in order to update RFC4287 it would *have* to be Proposed Standard. What constitutes an update or change (rather than an optional extension)

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-15 Thread Joe Gregorio
On 12/10/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, the recent discussion seems to point towards a consensus towards distinctly flagging Entry Documents in the media type. The only question is whether or not to use a new media type or an optional type param. I'm going to write up an I-D

Re: Atom Entry Documents

2006-12-15 Thread James M Snell
+1 many times over. Lisa Dusseault wrote: I don't feel that changing parts of RFC4287 is appropriate for an individual draft, particularly when the WG that did RFC4287 exists. Certainly in order to update RFC4287 it would *have* to be Proposed Standard. What constitutes an update or change

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 15 Dec 2006, at 12:47, David Powell wrote: An example would be an HTML page with rel=alternative links pointing to a feed and an Atom Entry document. This seems quite a reasonable use-case, yet if we don't create a new MIME type, then I'd expect that all current feed reader

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:47:05 +0100, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example would be an HTML page with rel=alternative links pointing to a feed and an Atom Entry document. My thought on this is that that's actually broken. If not according to RFC 4287 or anything else, it's

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-15 Thread John Panzer
Asbjrn Ulsberg wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:47:05 +0100, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example would be an HTML page with rel="alternative" links pointing to a feed and an Atom Entry document. My thought on this is that that's actually broken. If not

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-12-15 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I guess I'm assuming that one would want clients to be able to extend Atom unilaterally. The choices that I highlighted as problematic make it harder for clients to reliably add extensions to Atom documents. (It remains easy for servers to add extensions to Atom feeds and entries using