Re: The Atom Format end-game (PICS)??

2005-01-09 Thread Dan Brickley

* Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-09 01:42-0500]
 
 Tim Bray wrote:
  2. We are close to RSS2 feature-compatibility, we either adopt
  image  enclosure or make a conscious decision not to.
   There are other bits of RSS2 that should be seriously considered --
 even if they aren't widely used. For instance, the RSS2 rating element
 which contains a PICS[1] statement. As far as I know, virtually noone uses
 the rating tag in RSS2.0. Nonetheless, it would probably be wise to
 support such a thing in Atom. As blogging goes mainstream, we should be
 able to show that mechanisms at least exist to do what PICS is attempting to
 do...

I agree that it should be possible to do PICS-like stuff in RSS and Atom 
feeds. I'm not sure you need a PICS tag in the core spec though. Various 
folks in Europe and Japan (eg. ICRA, IAJapan) are looking into PICS-like 
functionality in an RDF and XML environment, with use cases that go
somewhat beyond the classic filtering / 'child protection' scenarios 
that dominate public perception of PICS. Historical aside, the original 
name for RDF was PICS-NG, an effort which was merged with Guha and TimBray's 
MCF-in-XML ideas. I'd argue that any PICS-ish functionality in 2005 
can be accomplished using namespaces, and probably using
RDF/XML-oriented namespaces, and that PICS itself is a legacy that
doesn't need to be supported in the core Atom format. Of course if 
there are folks out there who really want to produce and consume 
PICS s-expression syntax in feeds, they can invent a namespace'd 
construct that allows such embedding. There are actually a few things
PICS can do which XML and even RDF/OWL don't do well yet, in particular 
the ability to write a content label with a rule that explains how 
it applies to all documents that share a common base URI. But some of 
are working on an XML/RDF-ization of this. Details hopefully to follow 
soonish...

Dan

 
   bob wyman
 
 [1] http://www.w3.org/PICS/
 



RE: The Atom Format end-game (PICS)??

2005-01-08 Thread Bob Wyman

Tim Bray wrote:
 2. We are close to RSS2 feature-compatibility, we either adopt
 image  enclosure or make a conscious decision not to.
There are other bits of RSS2 that should be seriously considered --
even if they aren't widely used. For instance, the RSS2 rating element
which contains a PICS[1] statement. As far as I know, virtually noone uses
the rating tag in RSS2.0. Nonetheless, it would probably be wise to
support such a thing in Atom. As blogging goes mainstream, we should be
able to show that mechanisms at least exist to do what PICS is attempting to
do...

bob wyman

[1] http://www.w3.org/PICS/