The probably-last gang of issues

2005-01-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
Greetings again. Sam's recent work queue rotation marks what we 
consider to be the likely final rotation before we are finished with 
the Atom format draft. That is, the goal is that, once we accept or 
close all of the items from the rotation, the format document editors 
will have a complete picture of what the WG wants in the Atom format 
spec.

(For those of you new to this process, the full list of currently 
under discussion is at 
http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/AtomPubIssuesList.)

This ties in nicely with our goal of turning the format spec in for 
IETF Last Call before March. Of course, changes can (and probably 
will) be made based on the input to the WG from the IETF Last call. 
Those changes can come from the IETF community as a whole or from the 
WG as we stare one more time at the document (and as the implementers 
write code to it). However, there is a goal of not needing to revise 
the document after IETF Last Call; that is, we don't send the 
document to the IETF for review if we know that there are topics on 
which there is WG consensus that is not reflected in the document.

So, please take a look at all of the Paces listed as currently under 
discussion and comment freely. We're getting close to being 
finished, which is of course the over-arching goal.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--Internet Mail Consortium


Re: The probably-last gang of issues

2005-01-24 Thread Graham
2 questions:
1. Is there a deadline for new feature proposals? Has it passed? 
There's one I want to make that depends on whether or not one in the 
current round is accepted.

2. The Pace process doesn't encourage proposing minor (editorial, 
style, etc) changes. It also seems to have encouraged proposals that 
are good in principle but poorly worded to be incorporated. Will there 
be a period of time for nitpicking and copyediting?

Graham

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Re: The probably-last gang of issues

2005-01-24 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Graham wrote:
1. Is there a deadline for new feature proposals? Has it passed? 
There's one I want to make that depends on whether or not one in the 
current round is accepted.
This being an IETF WG, you can always post a comment to a draft.  If 
rough consensus occurs, in it goes.  The current flurry is about 
achieving closure on a bunch of known issues, and about our belief that 
the Atom data format is getting nicely cooked; but the door isn't 
closed until the IESG says done.

2. The Pace process doesn't encourage proposing minor (editorial, 
style, etc) changes. It also seems to have encouraged proposals that 
are good in principle but poorly worded to be incorporated. Will there 
be a period of time for nitpicking and copyediting?
I think it's be just fine to have editorial and style and language 
debates right here on the WG any old time.  It might be nice to put 
[Editorial] or some such in the subject line.  -Tim



Re: The probably-last gang of issues

2005-01-24 Thread Robert Sayre
Paul Hoffman wrote:
At 1:45 AM + 1/25/05, Graham wrote:
2. The Pace process doesn't encourage proposing minor (editorial, 
style, etc) changes.

Fully agree.
-05 is almost done right now. All valid -04 documents are valid -05 
documents. Many editorial suggestions have been incorporated. I suspect 
Graham will prefer it.

We can pick up the pace to incorporate wording and nitpick changes.
Robert Sayre