RE: What Atom software are you working on?
Hi Rob, Been working a while on profile drafts how to apply security to Atom feeds/entries, and how to reference these secured items in other protocols, and reference implementations thereof over at http://signedping.com Thanks, Hans > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sayre > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:11 AM > To: Atom Syntax > Subject: What Atom software are you working on? > > > I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some > other Firefox devs are toying with exposing internal data > like history and bookmarks as Atom feeds. > > What software are you writing? > > -- > > Robert Sayre > > "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." > > >
Re: What Atom software are you working on?
Hey Sean,So in more user controlled format (not a bad thing, obviously :)) then there is historical persistence...My apologies for suggesting things were more complicated than they actually are... I guess I should have dug a bit deeper. Looks like I have some more studying to do... Any pointers?Thanks in advance!One thing worth noting.. I realized after sending yesterdays email that if I don't simply develop the AtomicRSS.NET Atom > Web Feed Engine > Atom engined pronto, I'm going to miss any possible window of opportunity for any sort of internal changes to make the conversion process as losless as possible (if I haven't lost that window already). As such, I started in on the basic engine last night using C#, and am actually using this as the basis for developing the data structure of the Clipboard[1], ClipData[2], and ClipItem[2] data structures that are then mapped to the Provider[4] class (soon to be an interface) of which any given data store can be map directly to the Provider interface that maps directly into the above mentioned classes. I am still working through all of this, and to keep the current testclipboard.aspx[5] demo I hacked together a functional source code base that, while it looks a bit horrid at the moment, it allows me to keep working on the above mentioned files and allow the demo itself to move forward[kinda :)], at least showcasing some of the basic features. I will ping this thread back with significant updates. The timeline feed is available [6] for those who desire a bit more up-to-minute detail of whats being checked in, when its being checked in. [1] > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/browser/trunk/GlobalClip/GlobalClip/GlobalClip_Clipboard.cs[2] > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/browser/trunk/GlobalClip/GlobalClip/GlobalClip_ClipData.cs[3] > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/browser/trunk/GlobalClip/GlobalClip/GlobalClip_ClipItem.cs[4] > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/browser/trunk/GlobalClip/GlobalClip/GlobalClip_Provider.cs [5] > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/browser/trunk/Research/GlobalClip/src/x.Instance/testclipboard.aspx [6] > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/timeline?wiki=on&milestone=on&ticket=on&changeset=on&max=50&daysback=90&format=rss On 5/8/06, Sean Lyndersay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean (also copied), can you clarify this one way or the other? On the concept of persistence, the feed platform in Windows persists downloaded entries from feeds for as long as the user wants them. Nothing more complicated than that. From: M. David Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:59 PM To: James Tauber Cc: Robert Sayre; Atom Syntax; Bruce D'Arcus; Sean Lyndersay Subject: Re: What Atom software are you working on? > Also recently started on a AJAX-based APP client to go with it. Very cool! This is something I can help with if needs be... I'm still trying to get my legs in Python, and with some missing holes in IronPython to allow Demokritos to run natively have held the AtomicRSS.NET project off for now and moved forward with GlobalClip. Just to connect the dots, ideally I would like to couple support for APP into GlobalClip, as the ability to copy text from a blog entry, suck in all of the necessary meta-data, to then paste this into a blog entry, or a research paper, or anything else that one might want to make reference to something else on the web, seems to match well with what APP is all about. Of course, the meta-data would include at very least the reference URI (read: nobody has to do anything except post something to the web, and this is enough information to at very least ensure proper credit to the referencing URI is enclosed.) but would hopefully contain all the proper copyright information, whether this be a Creative Commons license or something else all together, as well as other related meta-data, such as that found in the world of citations. I've copied Bruce D'Arcus on this as he and I have been talking about building into the LiveClipboard/GlobalClip extension offerings the ability to implement support for complete citation meta-data to then build the necessary connector to enable a simple paste operation inside of a Word document (ODF via OO.o is obvious, given the fact that Bruce is a part of leading this effort already). Bruce: Have a look @ http://extf.net/Saxon/dotnet/ASP.NET/LiveClipboard/GlobalClip/ as well as http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/GlobalClip if you haven't seen them recently... I think we're about ready to start expanding into the citations side of this. Connecting this back to the AtomicRSS.NET project (or whatever the final name turns out to be (NOTE: I've officially moved this project to extensibleforge which is the new home of ALL of my ongoing projects :) > http://dev.extensiblef
RE: What Atom software are you working on?
> Sean (also copied), can you clarify this one way or the other? On the concept of persistence, the feed platform in Windows persists downloaded entries from feeds for as long as the user wants them. Nothing more complicated than that. From: M. David Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:59 PM To: James Tauber Cc: Robert Sayre; Atom Syntax; Bruce D'Arcus; Sean Lyndersay Subject: Re: What Atom software are you working on? > Also recently started on a AJAX-based APP client to go with it. Very cool! This is something I can help with if needs be... I'm still trying to get my legs in Python, and with some missing holes in IronPython to allow Demokritos to run natively have held the AtomicRSS.NET project off for now and moved forward with GlobalClip. Just to connect the dots, ideally I would like to couple support for APP into GlobalClip, as the ability to copy text from a blog entry, suck in all of the necessary meta-data, to then paste this into a blog entry, or a research paper, or anything else that one might want to make reference to something else on the web, seems to match well with what APP is all about. Of course, the meta-data would include at very least the reference URI (read: nobody has to do anything except post something to the web, and this is enough information to at very least ensure proper credit to the referencing URI is enclosed.) but would hopefully contain all the proper copyright information, whether this be a Creative Commons license or something else all together, as well as other related meta-data, such as that found in the world of citations. I've copied Bruce D'Arcus on this as he and I have been talking about building into the LiveClipboard/GlobalClip extension offerings the ability to implement support for complete citation meta-data to then build the necessary connector to enable a simple paste operation inside of a Word document (ODF via OO.o is obvious, given the fact that Bruce is a part of leading this effort already). Bruce: Have a look @ http://extf.net/Saxon/dotnet/ASP.NET/LiveClipboard/GlobalClip/ as well as http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/GlobalClip if you haven't seen them recently... I think we're about ready to start expanding into the citations side of this. Connecting this back to the AtomicRSS.NET project (or whatever the final name turns out to be (NOTE: I've officially moved this project to extensibleforge which is the new home of ALL of my ongoing projects :) > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/AtomicRSS.NET ), the ability to turn the MS Web Feed engine into an APP data store is simple enough. But using Demokritos as the primary data store, and syncronizing with the Web Feed engine brings all of the wonderfulness that comes along with the persistence layer via SVN (and therefore historical persistence, as long as I understand correctly how Demokrito's handles persistence via SVN) thats built directly into Demokritos. Unless I'm missing something [http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="" ] there is no direct concept of historical persistence in the Web Feed engine. Sean (also copied), can you clarify this one way or the other? On 5/6/06, James Tauber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Demokritos - APP server and Python library. http://jtauber.com/demokritos Currently implementing basic auth support for 0.4 release. Also recently started on a AJAX-based APP client to go with it. James -- James Tauber http://jtauber.com/ journeyman of some http://jtauber.com/blog/ On 05/05/2006, at 9:11 AM, Robert Sayre wrote: > > I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefox > devs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks > as Atom feeds. > > What software are you writing? > > -- > > Robert Sayre > > "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." > -- M. David Peterson http://www.xsltblog.com/
Re: What Atom software are you working on?
> Also recently started on a AJAX-based APP client to go with it. Very cool! This is something I can help with if needs be... I'm still trying to get my legs in Python, and with some missing holes in IronPython to allow Demokritos to run natively have held the AtomicRSS.NET project off for now and moved forward with GlobalClip. Just to connect the dots, ideally I would like to couple support for APP into GlobalClip, as the ability to copy text from a blog entry, suck in all of the necessary meta-data, to then paste this into a blog entry, or a research paper, or anything else that one might want to make reference to something else on the web, seems to match well with what APP is all about. Of course, the meta-data would include at very least the reference URI (read: nobody has to do anything except post something to the web, and this is enough information to at very least ensure proper credit to the referencing URI is enclosed.) but would hopefully contain all the proper copyright information, whether this be a Creative Commons license or something else all together, as well as other related meta-data, such as that found in the world of citations. I've copied Bruce D'Arcus on this as he and I have been talking about building into the LiveClipboard/GlobalClip extension offerings the ability to implement support for complete citation meta-data to then build the necessary connector to enable a simple paste operation inside of a Word document (ODF via OO.o is obvious, given the fact that Bruce is a part of leading this effort already). Bruce: Have a look @ http://extf.net/Saxon/dotnet/ASP.NET/LiveClipboard/GlobalClip/ as well as http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/GlobalClip if you haven't seen them recently... I think we're about ready to start expanding into the citations side of this. Connecting this back to the AtomicRSS.NET project (or whatever the final name turns out to be (NOTE: I've officially moved this project to extensibleforge which is the new home of ALL of my ongoing projects :) > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/AtomicRSS.NET ), the ability to turn the MS Web Feed engine into an APP data store is simple enough. But using Demokritos as the primary data store, and syncronizing with the Web Feed engine brings all of the wonderfulness that comes along with the persistence layer via SVN (and therefore historical persistence, as long as I understand correctly how Demokrito's handles persistence via SVN) thats built directly into Demokritos. Unless I'm missing something [http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="" ] there is no direct concept of historical persistence in the Web Feed engine. Sean (also copied), can you clarify this one way or the other? On 5/6/06, James Tauber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Demokritos - APP server and Python library. http://jtauber.com/demokritos Currently implementing basic auth support for 0.4 release.Also recently started on a AJAX-based APP client to go with it.James--James Tauber http://jtauber.com/journeyman of some http://jtauber.com/blog/On 05/05/2006, at 9:11 AM, Robert Sayre wrote:>> I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefox > devs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks > as Atom feeds.>> What software are you writing?>> -->> Robert Sayre>> "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." > -- M. David Petersonhttp://www.xsltblog.com/
Re: What Atom software are you working on?
Demokritos - APP server and Python library. http://jtauber.com/demokritos Currently implementing basic auth support for 0.4 release. Also recently started on a AJAX-based APP client to go with it. James -- James Tauber http://jtauber.com/ journeyman of some http://jtauber.com/blog/ On 05/05/2006, at 9:11 AM, Robert Sayre wrote: I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefox devs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks as Atom feeds. What software are you writing? -- Robert Sayre "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time."
Re: What Atom software are you working on?
Hey Folks,As per my email this morning, a quick update:As posted to the main sample site:[http://extf.net/saxon/dotnet/asp.net/liveclipboard/ ]PLEASE NOTE: I am currently working through various issues with CSS collisions, issues with why Fx will recognize the top margin of the content container but refuses to recognize the bottom margin when I add content to this container, why IE will recognize the bottom margin, but refuse to recognize the top margin regardless of whether I put content in the content container... you know, the usual stuff that makes you want to rip each and every hair out of your own head, and the heads of those who invented this crap... err, I mean... this... neat technology. So there ya have. Peace be unto you all while I continue my efforts to induce premature male pattern baldness upon myself. So there ya have it... I'll update you when I have less hair, but better results to showcase.On 5/5/06, M. David Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've got several. GlobalClip (trac:http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/GlobalClip svn: svn://src.extensibleforge.net/trunk/GlobalClip) An implementation of MS's LiveClipboard that (for the moment) uses S3 as a way of storing and accessing content that someone wants to either allow public access, shared but controlled access, or private access (multiple machines) to this content. I'm working on tieing this into a demo which you can access via http://extf.net/saxon/dotnet/asp.net/liveclipboard/ The UI for the demo is finished (finished that yesterday), the backend is working (finished the day before), although there is a lot of spit and polish work that needs to be done, and some areas that I want to extend into. None-the-less, it will work from the standpoint of using LiveClipboard as the browser-based engine to the take the content from the instance of liveclip, put it to S3, and then make available an atom feed of the contents of the current clipboard based on certain criteria ( e.g. sort by date, content-type, etc...) You can access the ASP.NET-based trac > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/Research/Saxon/dotnet/ASP.NET/liveclipboard < interface where you will find the proper SVN location of the source. This will all tie into AtomicXML which in essence uses 'feed'-based Atom feeds as way of configuring an application as well as storing a collection of either one resource (historical) or many resources (collection) that then references modules contained in external 'entry'-based Atom files which references a particular instance of a resource. These resources can be anything from existing CSS or _javascript_ files, to XML that is used together with the AspectXML code base to weave together pre-configured templates with data that relates to the specific instance ( e.g. something as simple as weaving the link and name of the creative commons licensed used for a particular page, or as complex as weaving into an entire application all of the specific user-specified settings, etc...) The idea with combining the GlobalClip-based with the AtomicXML-base is to allow folks to be able to share the source for a particular site, page, or element of that site/page, copy it to their clipboard, and then paste it into either another site (pre-existing AtomicXML-based site) or create a brand new site based on the template on the clipboard which would then access all of the referenced resources, weave it together with any pre-configured user data, and make this site available immediatelly upon finishing the build out of this particular instance. If you visit the above linked demo interface it should be a bit more clear as to what the content of that demo will eventually make available to visitors. I won't get as far as a full implementation of the above description today, but I will have it to the point of copying clipboard data, pasting it to the GlobalClip instance (currently S3, eventually, any storage medium ( e.g. GDrive, LiveDrive, AnyOtherDrive including your local hard drive)) and then listing the data on the clipboard. I'll ping back this thread later today when its ready to view and play with. On 5/5/06, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefoxdevs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks as Atom feeds.What software are you writing?--Robert Sayre"I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." -- M. David Petersonhttp://www.xsltblog.com/ -- M. David Petersonhttp://www.xsltblog.com/
Re: What Atom software are you working on?
This my first post, feels like a good time to pipe in. I've got a few things on my plate, some of you may be interested in. * TypePad Atom API - Updating and overhauling the Atom API for TypePad. I've been working with Byrne Reese internally to get a really solid spec hammered out. So far things are looking really good. * TypePad Atom feed support - TypePad Currently has Atom (v1.0) feeds for blogs but I've been extending that quite a bit. The general idea is that TypePad will provide the following atom feeds: recent blog entries, recent blog comments, individual entry + comments, blog category feeds, photo gallery, individual image + comments + meta info, TypeList feeds, etc etc. I'm also adding support for the threading extension provide by James Snell. The entire process has been very fun and educational. * Fence - Fence is a small application that was originally a proof-of-concept learning project to interact with the TypePad Atom API but has become a full project. It is written in cocoa/objective-c (my first cocoa app) and uses a home grown Atom framework resembling the perl module XML::Atom. I've put a project blog out that has more information and screenshots ( http://blog.socklabs.com/typepad-uploader ). The Atom cocoa framework can interact with any Atom API friendly website so its not just TypePad specific. * iPhoto export tools - I've also created a few different iPhoto plugins that export to TypePad using the Atom cocoa framework as mentioned above. Thats it for me, as you can see most of my development is in Perl but I do some mac os x and cocoa stuff as well. Questions? Comments? # Nick Gerakines On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Robert Sayre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefox > devs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks > as Atom feeds. > > What software are you writing? > > -- > > Robert Sayre > > "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." > >
Re: What Atom software are you working on?
I've got several. GlobalClip (trac:http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/GlobalClip svn: svn://src.extensibleforge.net/trunk/GlobalClip) An implementation of MS's LiveClipboard that (for the moment) uses S3 as a way of storing and accessing content that someone wants to either allow public access, shared but controlled access, or private access (multiple machines) to this content. I'm working on tieing this into a demo which you can access via http://extf.net/saxon/dotnet/asp.net/liveclipboard/ The UI for the demo is finished (finished that yesterday), the backend is working (finished the day before), although there is a lot of spit and polish work that needs to be done, and some areas that I want to extend into. None-the-less, it will work from the standpoint of using LiveClipboard as the browser-based engine to the take the content from the instance of liveclip, put it to S3, and then make available an atom feed of the contents of the current clipboard based on certain criteria ( e.g. sort by date, content-type, etc...) You can access the ASP.NET-based trac > http://dev.extensibleforge.net/wiki/Research/Saxon/dotnet/ASP.NET/liveclipboard < interface where you will find the proper SVN location of the source. This will all tie into AtomicXML which in essence uses 'feed'-based Atom feeds as way of configuring an application as well as storing a collection of either one resource (historical) or many resources (collection) that then references modules contained in external 'entry'-based Atom files which references a particular instance of a resource. These resources can be anything from existing CSS or _javascript_ files, to XML that is used together with the AspectXML code base to weave together pre-configured templates with data that relates to the specific instance ( e.g. something as simple as weaving the link and name of the creative commons licensed used for a particular page, or as complex as weaving into an entire application all of the specific user-specified settings, etc...) The idea with combining the GlobalClip-based with the AtomicXML-base is to allow folks to be able to share the source for a particular site, page, or element of that site/page, copy it to their clipboard, and then paste it into either another site (pre-existing AtomicXML-based site) or create a brand new site based on the template on the clipboard which would then access all of the referenced resources, weave it together with any pre-configured user data, and make this site available immediatelly upon finishing the build out of this particular instance. If you visit the above linked demo interface it should be a bit more clear as to what the content of that demo will eventually make available to visitors. I won't get as far as a full implementation of the above description today, but I will have it to the point of copying clipboard data, pasting it to the GlobalClip instance (currently S3, eventually, any storage medium ( e.g. GDrive, LiveDrive, AnyOtherDrive including your local hard drive)) and then listing the data on the clipboard. I'll ping back this thread later today when its ready to view and play with. On 5/5/06, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefoxdevs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks as Atom feeds.What software are you writing?--Robert Sayre"I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." -- M. David Petersonhttp://www.xsltblog.com/
What Atom software are you working on?
I've been working to add Atom support to Firefox 2. Some other Firefox devs are toying with exposing internal data like history and bookmarks as Atom feeds. What software are you writing? -- Robert Sayre "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time."
