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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Those debates ... I've also tried to understand them. But they mostly get over my head, too. They're profoundly obscure and as long as non-self/egoless aspect of the reality isn't realized in one's experience it's pointless to even go through them I think

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Those debates ... I've also tried to understand them. But they mostly get over my head, too. They're profoundly obscure and as long as no-self isn't realized in one's experience it's pointless to even go through them I think. URL: https

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Ah yes, the Charvakas. I think we covered them a bit in a Buddhist philosophy class, of all places, probably because they competed with abhidharma, or it debated with them. Or possibly Nagarjuna covered them as a position he was debating against, but I

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers "What cannot be perceived and understood by the senses does not exist."Wow. That kind of thinking is dangerous. I thought of radiation just then and how it can harm you even though it can't always be perceived by the senses. Same goes for viruses

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Khomus: I know about this. And I love that story.And atheism(specifically, purely materialistic atheism) is nothing new. Consider, for instance, the ancient Charvaka  school of India."The Charvaka vision rejected all supernatural claims, all reli

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Khomus: I know about this. And I love that story.And atheism is nothing new. Consider, for instance, the ancient Charvaka  school of India."The Charvaka vision rejected all supernatural claims, all religious authority and scripture, the accep

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Ah ha! I found the story, from "Zen Flesh, Zen Bones".16. Not Far from BuddhahoodA university student while visiting Gasan asked him: "Have you ever read the Christian Bible?""No, read it to me," said Gasan.The student ope

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Gaurav: Thanks! I thought so, but it's been forever since I tackled any Jainism.Draq:  Yeah, all of the science vs. religion stuff is pretty modern. That's not to say there weren't atheists, lots of those. But as an example, because this gets trotted out

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @khomus, post 14, where as you want to reduce me to being the hateful one because I supposedly just want to start a fight.  You asked for a set of examples.  You dismantled them.  Congratulations; argument over.  You win. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers My advise is not for everyone, and it's so personal that I don't even want to give it.In all truth I fluctuate between vedanta and nihilism, between reducing myself to nothing and then reducing the illusion.  I move from one to another as a conductor

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers My advise is not for everyone, and it's so personla that I don't even want to give it.In all truth I fluctuate between vedanta and nihilism, between reducing myself to nothing and then reducing the illusion.  I move from one to another as a conductor

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @khomusThanks for that information. I was focusing on the three Abrahamic religions for the most part, and I suppose I should have been more clear about the science part by saying creationism. Either way, I learned something new. URL: https

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Jainism is purely atheistic and similarly based on the assumption that reincarnation is painful. They accept the existence of devas(divine beings living in higher realms), but which Indian system doesn't? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607186

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Jainism is purely atheistic. They accept the existence of devas(divine beings living in higher realms), but which Indian system doesn't? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607186/#p607186 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Draq opined:  "Religions that involve the worship of a deity seem to attempt to serve two basic functions. The first is explaining where we all came from and why we're here. As far as the Abrahamic religions go, those teach us that we were created b

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Cheese: that sounds like something which happens in deep meditation, except it was just for a moment. That is intensely blissful when it happens, your entire being, depending upon your effort, for a moment-or for hours-overflows with ecstasy. You stumbled

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Cheese: that sounds like something which happens in deep meditation, except it was just for a moment. That is intensely blissful when it happens, your entire being, depending upon your effort, for a moment-or for hours-overflows with ecstasy. You stumbled

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Cheese: that sounds like something which happens in deep meditation, except it was just for a moment. That is intensely blissful when it happens, your entire being, depending upon your effort, for a moment-or for hours-overflows with ecstasy. You stumbled

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Cheese: that sounds like something which happens in deep meditation, except it was just for a moment. That is intensely blissful when it happens, your entire being, depending upon your effort, for a moment-or for hours-overflows with ecstasy. You stumbled

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @16, yeah. Such a huge elephant. It was written for me, since you asked, but not because I struggle with saying the correct things, its not that I can't choose my words correctly. Its just when I'm at a computer I struggle to convay the right messages over

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Religions that involve the worship of a deity seem to attempt to serve two basic functions. The first is explaining where we all came from and why we're here. As far as the Abrahamic religions go, those teach us that we were created by God to serve God

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Religions that involve the worship of a deity, at least to me, seem to attempt to serve two basic functions. The first is explaining where we all came from and why we're here. As far as the Abrahamic religions go, those teach us that we were created by God

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Gaurav:There's a Zen story I can't find right now, just don't remember what book it's in, where somebody reads some of Jesus' words to a Zen master. The master replies, "whoever said that was very close to Buddha". Then there are some

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers The real elephant in the room is @OP giving a prayer, religious or not. While some might use carefully chosen words, a suitable metaphor being butterflies carrying a scroll atop a soft pillow. he is like swinging a sledge hammer, and, as if that weren't

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers here's a thing. Out of all the religions I've examined, only Buddhism seems to have made social equality, generosity and morality a foundation of life and the whole path in general. and let's not forget to mention the development of 4 great immeasurable

Re: Non-religion specific prayers

Re: Non-religion specific prayers here's a thing. no other religion other than Buddhism had made social equality, generosity and morality a foundation of life and the whole path in general. and let's not forget to mention the development of 4 great immeasurable attitudes lovingkindness

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers OK. Where do I start?"Example: Pantheism has formed more religions than any other world system of religiosity and continues to add gods faster than I can learn about them."Pantheism doesn't form anything. Pantheism means that God is in everythi

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers He who does not coincide with anything will not coincide more with himself either: hence the calls without faith, the hesitant convictions, the fever without fervor, that doubling which affects our ideas and even our reflexes. The ambiguity, which governs

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @khomus fair enough.Example: Pantheism has formed more religions than any other world system of religiosity and continues to add gods faster than I can learn about them.  Whatever you think about eastern world mysticism, whether you're the one

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Nocturnis:  It would really help if you flesh out some of this stuff with examples, because you're just making these pronouncements like without truth everything is meaningless. What's "truth"? I mean, I can say it's true that I really like Tu

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @Haily, where as I hate disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.  If I could turn back the hands of time, I'd probably leave the idea of truth alone and ignorantly go on as I did for the first 26 years of my life and just... I dunno.  I'm hardwired

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers And then we get into Orwell's 1984 idea of subjective reality. I agree with you, even though I know we have radically different beliefs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607034/#p607034 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers It all comes back to what you believe is true, and for many, that changes with every passing bit of information that is pushed to them.  That concept makes some people feel guilty because they're never convinced of anything.  On the other hand, that kind

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Whoa boy howdy. Where do I even start?as an animist, I'm weird. I believe there are, let's call them powers, for lack of a better term. Rocks can have it, water, fire, the sun, mountains, trees, bagpipes, and so on and so on. It's not about explaining

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Monotheism is the same thing as polytheism in this regard. They are no different. We're still using gods to explain how things work that we don't understand to this day. We're just using them for more abstract concepts, because we have science now

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers the problem with the greek gods is that they are gods that were once used to explain away phenomena people could hardly understand because no knowledge was available on how such things worked.  Lightning?  Zeus must be mad.  fire?  Hephaestus

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers @3 makes sense. I mean, if we gave all power to Queen Elizabeth or Boris Johnson then they'd be labelled an dictator but its fair to god. I will say its a double standard there URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606787/#p606787 -- Audiogames

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers I'm actually 1 of the, probably like 15 other humans on this planet who still believes in the Greek gods, primarily because they make the most sense to me. Like, you don't have some almighty all knowing being who somehow loves all and creates all, you have

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers I'm actually 1 of the, probably like 15 other humans on this planet who still believes in the Greek gods, primarily because they make the most sense to me. Like, you don't have some almighty all knowing being who somehow loves all and creates all, you have

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Re: Non-religion specific prayers Hi.I call myself a spiritualist, all it means for me is I believe there's an afterlife and things like that.I think I agree with you, how would a non religious prer go anyway? Thanks, non existent being who I don't believe in, for things I believe were