Re: preparation regarding copyright

Re: preparation regarding copyright Jade, I feel your jab at my post was quite unnecessary. I was posing a legitimate question. Users didn't sign on to comb through the entire forum to make sure that no copyrighted material remains. That is, for better or worse, the job of the moderation

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Re: preparation regarding copyright @30, Article 17 does not have any regard to news articles and links -- that's a completely different article and has its own limitations. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439081/#p439081 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Okay, so if I haven't said it before (read: I have, multiple times) let me say this one more time.This isn't about what we want. It's about what we feel we need.If I had my way, and it were my site, I'd let the status quo stand. I'd respond to any take

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Re: preparation regarding copyright From what I read about article 17 I think that this goes as far to include links to news articles. I believe that it targeted Facebook for all the news links and that Facebook would be requiored to pay a subscription fee in order to be able to have links

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Re: preparation regarding copyright @28, *toasts to you* Thank you for articulating what I haven't yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439065/#p439065 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: preparation regarding copyright @28, *toasts to you* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439065/#p439065 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Also. heres the thing that everyone forgets. This is a longstanding rule. It's int he rules.people are just mad that a rule that you agreed to that pretty much was never being enforced is now being enforced. Guess what? I can get behind that. the rule

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Re: preparation regarding copyright It'll probably fal on me to do it. Lucky me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/439061/#p439061 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

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Re: preparation regarding copyright The main thing I'm wondering is, if this rule goes into effect, who's going to have the unpleasant job of going through every old topic to make sure every link to pirated material is scrubbed from the records? You can't have it both ways; you can close

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Re: preparation regarding copyright bcs993 wrote:At this point I'm finding it a little difficult to accept the justifications offered here as good faith attempts to save the forum from getting into trouble, as it were. One can't help but wondering if there are not perhaps some other

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Re: preparation regarding copyright I also find it hard to make sense of this. I agree with the others that there's a very small chance that this site would land itself in trouble for posting links to the Audiovault etc., and even if that were to happen the content could just be taken down

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Re: preparation regarding copyright @22, The law does pretty much guarantee that a chance would be given to remove the offending content before the site would be entirely shut down. The law also does not state that you can't talk about the Audio Vault on the internet. The EU, after all

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Re: preparation regarding copyright If this forum is genuinely at risk, then of course this is the right decision. I'm just not convinced of that at this point. . If it were up to me, I'd see how things go. I'm sure sites like this would be given the opportunity to clean things up before

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Re: preparation regarding copyright For clarification only, I didn't post 19 to make decisions. I was just providing information and have updated my post to reflect that stance.@20, on one hand you are correct in that their justification could be reason to do anything they please. However

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Re: preparation regarding copyright For clarification only, I didn't post 19 to make decisions. I was just providing information and have updated my post to reflect that stance.@20, on one hand you are correct in that their justification could be reason to do anything they please. However

Re: preparation regarding copyright

Re: preparation regarding copyright For clarification only, I didn't post 19 to make decisions. I was just providing information and have updated my post to reflect that stance.@20, on one hand you are correct in that their justification could be reason to do anything they please. However

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Re: preparation regarding copyright If I have the right text here, this is what article 17 states:Article 17Use of protected content by online content-sharing service providers1.  Member States shall provide that an online content-sharing service provider performs an act of communication

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Re: preparation regarding copyright My position jives with pretty much everyone else's, this seems pretty absurd to even be worrying about. Richard and Sandor did not appoint a taskforce for cleaning up the forum, as it were. So you are acting on what you feel are their best interests

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Re: preparation regarding copyright If I have the right text here, this is what article 17 states:Article 17Use of protected content by online content-sharing service providers1.  Member States shall provide that an online content-sharing service provider performs an act of communication

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Re: preparation regarding copyright The audio vault isn't losing anybody any significant amount of money. I don't think any right-minded person would view it as immoral. It's no big deal. This site is hardly likely to appear on any radar, and if it does, it won't get pulled without warning

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Re: preparation regarding copyright The reason is simple.It is better to obey the law and have nothing to worry about than it is to disobey it and get caught, particularly where other people are concerned.Nothing is saying that the audio vault has to come down. We can't touch

Re: preparation regarding copyright

Re: preparation regarding copyright The audio vault isn't losing anybody any significant amount of money. I don't think any right-minded person would view it as immoral. It's no big deal. This site is hardly likely to appear on any radar, and if it does, it won't get pulled without warning

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Re: preparation regarding copyright The audio vault isn't losing anybody any significant amount of money. I don't think any right-minded person would view it as immoral. It's no big deal. This site is hardly likely to appear on any radar, and if it does, it won't get pulled without warning

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Re: preparation regarding copyright The audio vault isn't losing anybody any money. I don't think any right-minded person would view it as immoral. It's no big deal. This site is hardly likely to appear on any radar, and if it does, it won't get pulled without warning. And most of all

Re: preparation regarding copyright

Re: preparation regarding copyright The audio vault isn't losing anybody any money. I don't think any right-minded person would view it as immoral. It's no big deal. The AG.net owners don't seem to care. This site is hardly likely to appear on any radar, and if it does, it won't get pulled

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Hi.12, yes, article 17 would apply to this site because it's services are also available in Europe, or the EU rather, but it won't hinder the posting of links to copyrighted material because this is simply what the article is about. As I stated

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Re: preparation regarding copyright I see both sides of this. Most likely, nothing would ever happen.But then there's this. Back in 2000 when Napster was the big thing, I'm pretty sure one of the things they attempted to use in their defense was the fact that they weren't actually hosting

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Re: preparation regarding copyright I also don't understand this. Like others have pointed out, the odds of you guys getting any trouble over a few links to audio described content are very slim if not nonexistant. Even if you do end up getting contacted, you could just remove the links

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Re: preparation regarding copyright The discussion is happening on our mailing list. Richard and Sandor have access to this list and have not, as far as I've yet seen, spoken up on the subject one way or another. If they do, and wish to simply allow it to stand, then we can go

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Re: preparation regarding copyright If a site's main purpose is hosting copyrighted material, then yes, you could argue that they're being pulled down over night. But you're only forced to remove the infringing content, not more. Also, does article 13 / 17 even apply to this site? I don't

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Hi there,I'm with Liam here. Morally I agree with the points Griff made, but legally that doesn't matter.We do not own this website, and we do not pay for its hosting. We are not being told by Richard and Sandor that we have to do certain things

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Re: preparation regarding copyright r/piracy would like to have a word with you.As long as direct links to copyrighted content are not posted here, nothing is going to happen to this forum. then again, the decision is with the mods and not us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/438929

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Hi.Ok, first things first, article 13 is now called article 17, if you put law into a discussion, please make sure that you quote the right articles there.Secondly, audiogames.net is not the hoster of any roms, emulators, music or any other media which

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Re: preparation regarding copyright 6:I won't dispute your points, but the fact is that there is starting to be an issue with other copyrighted content such as game roms and music are being openly shared, and this could absolutely get the site in to tosn of troube it does not need. Let me

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Sometimes I think too much is placed on the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law, but that's getting into philosophical territory and probably belongs in its own topic. Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/438899/#p438899

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Hi, I would really like to understand this here, this gets brought up by the same few people over and over again on the forums and we have had discussions regarding this exact thing in topics like this and too many others.  Simply put, No website has

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Re: preparation regarding copyright yeah, I get you. It's just sad that copyright law is used to push people around. I get that it's meant to protect content creators, but some actions that are taken in the name of that protection go way too far. This is especially when people aren't even

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Personally, i think keeping the emulation seen alive and keeping described content in circulation is a great idea, however, we feel that it's not worth the site being pulled down over night, which i have seen happen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: preparation regarding copyright Ugh. Article 13 needs to die in a fire. Seriously.That said, that was a personal feeling, and it shouldn't get in the way of enforcement. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/438840/#p438840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: preparation regarding copyright That is the most important point we do want to make. We will not be retroactively enforcing old topics. However this doesn't give you cart blanch to start posting anything and everything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/438819/#p438819

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preparation regarding copyright As an admin I'm writing to inform you all that one of our staff started a discussion of copyright on the mod list.The general consensus is that we can't let personal feelings get in the way of the law. We are taking article 13 into consideration, I will say

preparation regarding copyright

preparation regarding copyright As an admin I'm writing to inform you all that one of our staff started a discussion of copyright on the mod list.The general consensus is that we can't let personal feelings get in the way of the law. We are taking article 13 into consideration, I will say

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