Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

@Post 17, good luck with the audio anchor position.@Julian, theoretically yes, all parcels should be signed for, however amazon has been a bit naughty about this, in Britain at least, dumping packages wherever and then dropping cards through the door, or worse, going to any random house on the street and getting the people there to sign for the parcel then dropping a note through the door saying "your package is at number 52" or something like that, irrispective of whether you actually know! the people at number 52 or whether the people at number 52 will actually bother delivering. This is one reason I have a note on my own amazon account reading "do not leave card, customer is blind!" And also, if an amazon driver turns up and tries to leave a package for someone else with me, straight off refusing to take it, especially with the corona virus. @Jayjay: Like dark eagle, I've heard of a peeping tom, but not a peeping Prokash before, though I imagine whatever any tom dick or Prikash is called, you wouldn't want them peeping .In Britain, the toilet itself is either in it's own room inside the house, or, (in smaller houses and flats), is part of the bathroom fittings, and is often upstairs. There might still be places out in the country where you'd find the older tradition of having an "out house", but likely only in places not connected to the central sewer system, which probably %99 of houses in Britain are.Amusingly enough, delivery shenanigans continue! I suddenly get an automated phone call from the bank this evening telling me that a fraud might be detected on the credit card, so I phone my bank to find out what is happening. My lady then bursts into a scream of "oh no! your christmas present!" especially when said bank helpfully inform me that the credit card payment was to bidali jewellery, the place that does all the fantasy jewellery items, everything from Black Danarius Dresden files coins, to Lotr rings, to Bridge 4 pendents from Stormlight, or alamantic vials from mistborn, (they did wheel of time stuff until recently, however the silly tv adaptation has ruined their access to the license, which is a shame). So yes, thanks to the bank. I found out that my lady had bought me a Christmas present using my credit card, which is now no longer a surprise, though I'll have it to look forward to . Hopefully once my lady's visa is fully fixed, we can actually get her address on some documents so she can have her own bank account, or at least, access to mine, so things like this won't happen, though amusingly enough that isn't possible currently without proof of address, and all of the things the bank accept for proof of address, such as utility account! .bills, need a bloody bank account! .  They won't even accept my lady's passport. They would accept a driving license, but you know, blind people . So all that is fun! Unfortunately, other things are a bit crappy at the moment, my lady has another scan on Thursday to see she's still cancer free, so she's extremely tense at the moment, especially since, as we're going into third stage lockdown (albeit my lady and I really ahaven't stopped lockdown), getting to the hospital will be fun. On the plus side, I've been doing a lot of the doctor who audios, and it's nice to get back to things, indeed some of them have really been surprisingly awesome.I've also been playing a lot of cosmic rage, though I probably ought to try a western drama at some point, just for interest's sake.

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

@Post 17, good luck with the audio anchor position.@Julian, theoretically yes, all parcels should be signed for, however amazon has been a bit naughty about this, in Britain at least, dumping packages wherever and then dropping cards through the door, or worse, going to any random house on the street and getting the people there to sign for the parcel then dropping a note through the door saying "your package is at number 52" or something like that, irrispective of whether you actually know! the people at number 52 or whether the people at number 52 will actually bother delivering. This is one reason I have a note on my own amazon account reading "do not leave card, customer is blind!" And also, if an amazon driver turns up and tries to leave a package for someone else with me, straight off refusing to take it, especially with the corona virus. @Jayjay: Like dark eagle, I've heard of a peeping tom, but not a peeping Prokash before, though I imagine whatever any tom dick or Prikash is called, you wouldn't want them peeping .In Britain, the toilet itself is either in it's own room inside the house, or, (in smaller houses and flats), is part of the bathroom fittings, and is often upstairs. There might still be places out in the country where you'd find the older tradition of having an "out house", but likely only in places not connected to the central sewer system, which probably %99 of houses in Britain are.Amusingly enough, delivery shenanigans continue! I suddenly get an automated phone call from the bank this evening telling me that a fraud might be detected on the credit card, so I phone my bank to find out what is happening. My lady then bursts into a scream of "oh no! your christmas present!" especially when said bank helpfully inform me that the credit card payment was to bidali jewellery, the place that does all the fantasy jewellery items, everything from Black Danarius Dresden files coins, to Lotr rings, to Bridge 4 pendents from Stormlight, or alamantic vials from mistborn, (they did wheel of time stuff until recently, however the silly tv adaptation has ruined their access to the license, which is a shame). So yes, thanks to the bank. I found out that my lady had bought me a Christmas present using my credit card, which is now no longer a surprise, though I'll have it to look forward to . Hopefully once my lady's visa is fully fixed, we can actually get her address on some documents so she can have her own bank account, or at least, access to mine, so things like this won't happen, though amusingly enough that isn't possible currently without proof of address, and all of the things the bank accept for proof of address, such as utility account! .bills, need a bloody bank account! .  They won't even accept my lady's passport. They would accept a driving license, but you know, blind people . So all that is fun! Unfortunately, other things are a bit crappy at the moment, my lady has another scan on Thursday to see she's still cancer free, so she's extremely tense at the moment, especially since, as we're going into third stage lockdown (albeit my lady and I really ahaven't stopped lockdown), getting to the hospital will be fun. On the plus side, I've been doing a lot of the doctor who audios, and it's nice to get back to things, indeed some of them have really been surprisingly awesome.

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Re: new visa, new card number

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Re: new visa, new card number

I'd probably do the same as Oriol here, since my credit card is directly tied to my bank and I already use telephone banking quite a bit (I don't use online banking since I want to keep my bank account off my computer as much as possible, hence my need for a credit card in the first place).

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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@Julian, yeah, I don't think that driver is a candidate for the brain of Britain ssomehow . It's not the first time I've heard of something like that happening though. My brother once had an amazon parcel literally shoved through his open bathroom window, and he found it sitting ontop of the toilet . Luckily of course, the lid was closed, and I do rather hope the driver might not have stuck the parsel in the same place if it was open, but honestly who knows . @Wing of Eternity thanks for the Birthday wishes. My lady had place Goujons, while I had calamari to start, then she had a spinach and ricotta cheese cannelloni while I had some of their amazing chicken and spinach Lasagnea, and then we both had chocolate cake with gelato. Sitting outside was a little chilly, but not too bad to say it's currently October, though we're not sure if we're going to be able to do this again, which is a miner shame given they're a really nice local place who now know us quite well, indeed some of the very few people we actually know by name in this town.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Wing of eternity, you really shouldn't look at later series spoilers like that since you'll end up ruining the series for yourself, and WoT has some great twists that it's certainly possible to ruin. The issue you mention  is a little more complicated than just the dark one giving a man a female body, but since it involves a huge amount of series spoilers and a seemingly harmless character sowing discord, it's probably best to leave discussion of it until later.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Wing of Iturnity, I'd suggest finishing all the  series before knowing where titles fit in, since things like who the lord of chaos is are a little obscure, and most of the titles are no where near as straight forward as the eye of the world or the great hunt. @khomus, WoT is worst than most series with this. Partly I can see it as a reaction against all of those fantasies where you know the evil dark lord is out there and once the good guys alert everyone to the dark lord's existance, of course age old enemies and mistrustful rivals will band together to defeat him, whiich we totally know would not happen in reality (look at how divided the world is on issues like dealing with the Covid virus Climate change, even though it could potentially wipe out humanity). Equally, part of it is how I think Jordan tended to believe men and women particularly interacted, with two genders being fundamentally different and unknowable to each other, and even when a couple is sharing a bed or married, they're still essentially strangers trying to guess at each other's motivations or manipulate the other, which I confess I find down right irritating, given that my lady probably knows me better than anyone and is very much my best friend, as well as my wife.The up side to this, is that there are some wonderful sequences in the series when everyone actually does! work together and achieves some awesome things, and at least a couple of relationships which aren't based around sneaking about, looking suspicious and assuming that your partner won't be suspicious of you for all the sneaking around and looking suspicious you're doing, and those relationships are rather lovely. I do think Jordan over did this aspect of things quite a lot, and as I've said I really don't like his Freudian universe, but to me there was enough good stuff in terms of characters, plot, and a mysterious world in amongst all of that.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, nope, when I describe WoT as "slow", I don't just mean in terms of things taking a long time due to journeying as in LOTR, I mean exactly in the way you describe, though not imho as badly as you describe, someone thinks this, and thinks that someone else is thinking that, so goes and does the other, which in turn makes the second person think they were thinking something else, so the second person does something else and so on. It's all about missed communication. It's not as bad as D H Laurence (not much is in that sense), plus the characters are far more likeable, also, since usually the resolutions people take mean that they go and get into battles, or try to assassinate someone, or try to  make friends with another faction, it all usually adds up going places, but it's true, that  Jordan does like to spend a lot of time on character motivations and problems that would easily be solved if people would just sit down and talk to each other and if you don't have patience for this sort of thing, you probably won't enjoy the series. Myself, while the endless factionalism and mistrust got wearing, at least for the first few books it stayed at a manageable level imho, but obviously different people have different tolerance for this type of thing.

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

Well as I mentioned elsewhere, yesterday was my lady's birthday. I was absolutely set on her birthday being less depressing than mine was back in August, so I bought her several presents, including a Wheel of time green Aja T Shirt in loo of a Green Aja shawl, and some jewelary from the warbreaker fantasy series, which hopefully won't be lost somewhere over the atlantic . We in general had a nice birthday yesterday, and today went to our favourite Italian place to selibrate. We were debating what to do about this, because with corona on the rise and the county of Nottinghamshire likely to be declared in the highest corona alert category, we wondered what should be the best way to handle things. the Nice Italian place have said they will prepare a casserole dish of stuff which could be picked up and then stuck in the oven, however, fortunately we're going through this weird mild spell in October at the moment, so we were able to go. The meal was fantastic, they even bought my lady some strawberry chocolate cake for free since it was her birthday, however we did have a rather amusing/exasperating surprise when we returned. My keyboard decided to die on me the other day, so we bought another from Amazon (plus a spare), this was fine, accept that of course, they had to turn up while we were out, with alexa giving us a notification of a delivery.Actually, we got a card through the door which I had to check with seeing AI, and only then found out was a UPS Card, but couldn't get seeing Ai to read more of (despite the fact there is a huge note on my Amazon profile asking them not to put cards through the dam door!).After calls to Amazon and UPS Uk (which both proved fruitless), luckily a friend turned up to give reever a none working walk. She then informed us that the card said our parcel had indeed been delivered,  and put in the rubbish bin! Yes, they put a large box containing two keyboards, in a rubbish bin! Fortunately, it was the recycle bin , so not full of any gloppy kitchen waste or the like, but really! if it'd been the weekend, odds are we wouldn't have noticed, and the parcel would have been taken and crushed or burned, which probably wouldn't be good for the planet either .Luckily the keyboards turned up and work fine, but yee gods! these people are morons! It's a shame, most Amazon delivery drivers we've had have been pretty good, but obviously this one was a twonk, then again, it was a third party company, hence why they were using UPS.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@firefly, thanks for that, though I'll reserve birthday discussions for the monthly chat topic I think.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, you certainly aren't the first person in the world to regard WoT as too slow or too blatantly factional, although most people tend to think it only gets this way around book 6. Then again with Jordan being born in 1947, I have heard it said that WoT is in some senses a pre-blockbuster era book, and therefore the movement of characters, speed of dialogue etc is generally slower than a modern audience expects. again, those sorts of issues didn't bother me in WoT until later in the series, but maybe I just have more time on my hands  or am less critical of people making mistakes due to incomplete information, evil psychic influences or the like, indeed there are only a few characters in WoT I'd describe as blatantly stupid in their decision making, and usually they have huge signs around their kknecks saying "stupid!" in big stupid letters, (there is one lady who reminds me distressingly of a certain famous world leader, although she is arguably much more intelligent) .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

Actually the horn doesn't get stolen in a "well you should've guarded it better" type of way, more in an "oh shit! there is a huge pack of orcs attacking and we happen to have at least one traitor as well!" type of way . I'm honestly surprised khomus you describe the cast of WoT like idiots, since while they're often frustratingly untrustworthy, and as I said the constant bickering (especially from the female characters), gets very old pretty fast, factional allegiances, and people acting often with incomplete information is something Jordan does very well. Actually, this is making me want to reread and review the series myself, especially to preempt the tv adaption next year. Oh and Btw, it is my lady's birthday today, and one of her presents came on time, a T shirt printed with the flame of tarvallan in Green for the green aja! as to awesome scenes, I have to say the duel between Josua and the thrithings champion in memory sorrow and thorn was one for me, since basically naked tribal fight to the death between one handed, tired and very bust up prince and big burley scummy tribesman, it's not epic, it's not honourable, and best of all you don't know who is going to win! WoT though is awesome for it's dramatic writing and descriptions, though I do wish some of the sword moves such as parting the silk or stone rushes down the mountain were described in a bit more detail, though the poetry and formality of it does have a great sound.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

Neverwhere is awesome, now if that series was available with description it would rock! Hope you  enjoy buffy and Angel. I'll probably start going through audio described Buffy with my lady in the near future, and it's nice to know we well might have Angel available when we get to it.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

Neverwhere is awesome, now if that series was available with description it would rock! Hope you  enjoy buffy and Angel. I'll probably start going through audio described Buffy with my lady in the near future, and it's nice to know we'll have Angel available when we get to it.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@drums61999, that's true, that's one reason I personally didn't mind some of the more dramatic names like Demandred quite as much.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem buffy season 4 and Angel season 1 take place at the same time, so theoretically you could do either Buffy 3, then angel 1, then Buffy 4, or Buffy 3, then Buffy 4 then angel 1. You could even literally alternate watching episodes of each, though being as I was watching them on Dvd that was a little impractical, so I just did buffy 3, then angel 1, then buffy 4, then angel 2, then buffy 5 and so on.The connections between the two are really interesting, though Angel on it's own is actually a pretty good series anyway, particularly the arc at the end of season 2 leading into season 3, and even though I really didn't like what happened with some chracters towards the end, over all it was pretty awesome. @Munawar, glad you like Neverwhere. I've got the nightside books I believed. I was sort of under the impression that they were more like Jim Butcher's Dresden files, more sort of urban fantasy with paranormal elements, rather than the neverwhere hidden world thing. If they are more like Neverwhere, I probably ought to look into them myself.

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

@BGT Lover, yeah, read Huxley quite a few years ago, it was interesting to compare with Orwell's 1984, indeed I've seen those two along with handmaid's tale called the three great dystopias. Huxley was an interesting idea philosophically, though slightly dated in some scientific and social ideas, EG the importance of sleep teaching. Orwell's is more shocking and though he was probably wrong about the consequences of surveillance, look around society today and you'll find some really frightening examples of double think (there are some very scary ones around Donald Trump). Obviously Atwood is different again, being more character focused, and focused on a dystopea which specifically exacerbates the more horrible social and religious extreme opression and control of women and reproduction, as well as a more general social totalitarianism. All three are worth reading imho, though Huxley's is probably the most entertaining as a novel, while the other two are just plane grim.@Camlorn, Ericson, as I said, I probably need to try. I have heard if people get through the first book, the rest of the series is okay, but the first book can be a bit slow and incomprehensible.

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

Okay not a lot has happened other than worse corona prognostications (our county is in the high category), so keeping to lockdownn rules here), and of course the onrunning circus of the US general ellection. On that score, it looks like we have fixed a postal vote which is good, actually it's sort of amusing how much people like my brother  and his Fiance want to help my lady with voting against Trump . I'm afraid though, today I'm in rather pissed off mood, and I'm going to treat everyone to something of  a rant, because yesterday I watched the final four episodes of game of thrones season 8. I'd got to episode 3 which was of course a huge great battle, after which I just wanted to go on, and so, though it involved me being up until 2-Am last night I decided to finish altogether just to be done. I have not done the audio described audios yet, these were just the episodes on DVD with my remaining vision, plus occasional dips into the game of thrones wiki synopses to get ideas of what is going on. Also, obviously my opinion here. Also also spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers!Okay, oddly enough I really liked the first half of the series, everyone getting together for the big battle against the night king and the white walkers, the calm before the storm, seeing characters meet up and enemies combine together, indeed I really wish this had been the end of the series. what I thought  was particularly fantastic was that even characters like Jaime and the hound got involved, indeed some of the hounds plotlines this series (even in the dire second half), were some of the best, with Jaime's redemption arc, something hinted at in eartly season, and actually slowly happening in the books, looked like it was coming to fruition. Admittedly, bits of character development seemed a little quick, but I honestly couldn't complain at Arya and Gendry wanting one fling together before the battle, or about Theon trying to make up for his past by protecting Bran and whatever Bran had now become. So then we got the battle itself, and yee gods! best fantasy battle since helms deep. it was grim, it was atmospheric, all hope seemed lost. There were zombie dragons, and zombie giants, and Leana moroment proving that Arya isn't the only awesome young girl in the series, while Jora got to give up his life for his queen. Even Melisandre got moments of awesome (actually the opening sequence with the duthraki hoard fighting the white walker army with their flaming swords is very much the reason why! I watch these things visually).And in the end, Theon gives his life, and Arya engages in the most awesome critical hit ever! Furthermore a stabbing prefaced in the series from Bran's vision of the creation of the Night King.Actually, I'll admit the series used fantasy tropes to freak me out, since I really facepalmed at the moment when Berric dundarian died defending Arya and Melisandre told her that the lord of light had bought him back just to save her, - way over board in main character awesomeness. And yet, what do we then see? Arya actually is! the thing that changes the battle. Okay, the idea that slaying the one load bearing boss destroys the entire hoard is really not a good one, and smacks way too much of convenience for my liking, but I'll give them a pass just on the basis of the shear cathartic grimness of the hole battle, the fact we'd lost several beloved characters (albeit it did seem characters like Tyrian and Sansa had some rather convenient plot armour), as well as a lot of soldiers and civilians, and just how bloody   aweful the hole thing was.So episodes 1-3 get a thumbs up for me and felt like a good finale to the series. Then however we get to the second half of the series and gr! so Tyrian, the supposedly Cleverest man in Westeros backs the wrong horse, Aka Dragon, gets varys barbequed by queen paranoia! Jaime finally gets with Brienne in a rather sweet scene only to abandon her completely and go back to what Mrs. Dark refers to as his "lovey dovey sissy yum yum!" Regal the dragon dies because the Iron fleet's habbit of rolling critical damage against anything they encounter! (really, these guys have just instakilled so many things in the series). Misandi's  death was really horrible and a gut punch moment, but it was at least the sort of gut punch that GoT does well, (poor grey worm). Actually, I was expecting Circie or Euron Greyjoy to do pretty horrible things to her, so was glad her death was comparatively quick.Then we get to the end! Tyrian literally pleads with everyone to avoid a slaughter, looks as if he succeeds, and then my god Daenerys! Bloody hell Daenerys! Okay, Dark danny had been hinted at right back in the start of the series, right from burning alive the woman who killed her husband, to the guy who betrayed her in Qarth, various lsavers, Tyrian even says as much just so the fans realise. However! there is a huge difference 

Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

@bgt lover, I did consider recommending the wheel of time, but there's already a long topic about that and about fantasy books so thought I'd hold off on the WoT discussion here too much. I still need to try thee Stephen Ericson stuff, the webmaster of fantasybookreview.co.uk lists it as one of his favourite series, and since he's also a huge fan of other authors I like like William Horwood that is a good reason. Actually, anyone looking for something extremely different, which does deel with religious and philosophical questions, as well as being a great, long and complex saga  William Horwood's duncton series, especially the first trilogy aka the duncton chronicles, and even more especially books 2 and 3. The story involves a society of moles living around Britain. They're limited mostly to the ways moles naturally behave, they mate in spring, live in burrows, eat worms etc, however equally have their own society, religious beliefs, and indeed religious wars, characters with love and hate, loss, triumph and spirituality. The series deals with both religious faith and religious mania, the natural world, insist, the nature of evil, redenption and damnation, romance, and of course a lot about nature. it's sort of hard to some up easily, but lets just say along with lord of the Rings it's one of those books I go back to every few years. Oh, and as a bonus, the moles even write in braille, or at least "scribe", texts in a written language which is felt by touch :d.Horwood also wrote a sequel series set generations later called the book of silence, which were good and worth reading, but not perhaps as transcendently amazing as books 2 and 3 of the first trilogy. Indeed, Iv'e considered doing a blog reread of Duncton, chapter by chapter with commentary. Oh and Wing of Iturnity, I wouldn't say they're close to Schopenhauer, but worth reading nonetheless.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, Yep, Angel gives scope to so much in Buffy, indeed a pretty important figure in Angel and Spike's past is given quite a major context and history in Angel, I won't say who since their arrival and what happens to them is quite the surprise, but lets  say that person's fairly short appearance in Buffy is given a hole lot more  meaning. There's a section where some elements of the Buffy season 7 finale are for caste in Angel season 4, as well as then looking at some of the fall out of what happens in the finale in Buffy season 5. I won't say what here since I'm not sure how many seasons of Buffy you've watched, but lets say, I was glad to watch the two together, indeed when I decided I wanted to watch Buffy, everyone from my friends to my brother pretty much strongarmed me into watching Angel at the same time, and I'm really glad I did, and not just because bits of Angel aare pretty fantastic on their own.Actually what I did, was watch the seasons in order, so buffy 1-3, then angel season 1, then buffy 4 etc, obviously it took a good bit longer, but was really worth it.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@wing of Eternity, there are no repeating cycles, no ages that come and go,  homo not very sapiens is an intrinsically stupid species who don't just make the same mistakes again and again, but know they're making those mistakes and just go on to make bigger ones because we are idiots.I just hope when we destroy ourselves, there will be enough of the planet left over for another species to have a go, since (to quote the Simpsons), I for one welcome our insect overlords .

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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@Camlorn, I was pleasantly surprised with peace talks, since though it had the patant Dresden winjing and acquiring more power, it had far more setup and danger and actually progressed both relationships and the world, indeed it feels like we're actually heading into an endgame scenario here with potentially world changing events, assuming Butcher doesn't just retcon things in the next book. Lol, wing of Eternity, you pretty much describe game of thrones there ;D. Though also, if you want to see series with no actual villains, but a lot of moral viewpoints causing problems, including people going to extreme lengths to support their own ideas, check out the gallactic Milieu by Julian May. It's a slow series, with a lot of world building, psychic powers, weird aliens and family drama, and so not for people who want intensive action, for all it does have a intensive action scenes here and there and even psychic battles, but the concepts and ideas it gets into are fantastic, particularly because May definitely has a sense of humour. to say one character literally goes from hiding his pregnant mother from bureaucratic aliens who have forbidden her from reproducing in the first book, to literally experimenting on self aware foetuses and destroying entire planets in the third book, and yet none of what he does ever feels inconsistent or jarring with his previous character or philosophy. She's written a hole bunch of books set in the same universe, indeed Galactic Milieu is both the end and the beginning of the series (time travel paradoxes are fun), and my lady and I really want to read more of them.Also, check out Library at Mount char by Scott Hawkins if you really want alien and morally ambiguous protagonists who have a completely different view of reality and what good and evil actually are. I'm also sort of tempted to suggest Octavia Butler's Lilith's brude, as a trilogy where literally nobody is entirely right, accept that the third book really went off the rales in terms of going from coping with a different morality, to applauding actions which are pretty reprehensible, also, her generally universally awful view of humanity as a hole even made me wince, and cross over  line from coping with alien circumstances, as in her novella Bloodchild, into glorying in humanity itself being exploited, changed beyond recognition and literally destroyed as a species.

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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@camlorn, I have no problem with "rule of cool", if there is something to back it up or if I like the character enough to want to see them succeed. Likewise, I've read plenty of YA books I liked with big battles and lots of awesomeness, James Dashner's maze runner, heck, I recently gave Rachel Aaron's second heartstriker's book a pretty high rating for exactly the same thing. With Daro in the red rising books though, he was just such an invincible and insufferable arse that I was rarely if ever on his side, and there just wasn't enough else to hang the series on, since basically it all revolved around him and his habit of solving issues by Daro ex machina. Again, if people liked the series, fair enough, but even for a Ya novel which is an action romp, I just need a character I can actually want to see succeed, especially if we're in that character's head all the time.

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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@Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some  aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff). And The main character's going from slave to liberator might have been  cathartic, if  he actually felt like someone who'd ever been a slave rather than just constantly telling us how great he himself is (as I said, even making working in a mine sound badass). Had there actually been a vague possibility the good guys might loose or that the main character felt anything but his own awesomeness, some of the action sequences and battles might have been fun to read, indeed I liked a couple of the battles featuring other people.I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!Again, if others like the series for the action and world building, and don't mind a main character who is a boarderline psychotic narcissist with an ego the size of Olympus mons, fair enough, but personally I always find heroes more heroic when firstly they don't know they're heroic, and secondly where they feel underpowered. Indeed, to quote one of my own reviews, it doesn't matter if the author has a main character who must fight a thirty foot tall, fire breathing, zombie mecher Godzilla from Hell, with his bare hands, if the main character is literally so invinsible there is absolutely no possibility he will lose, because he is the best fighter in the author's entire universe! .

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

@Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some  aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff), and had there actually been a vague possibility the good guys might loose or that the main character felt anything but his own awesomeness, some of the action sequences and battles might have been fun to read.I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!Again, if others like the series for the action and world building, and don't mind a main character who is a boarderline psychotic narcissist with an ego the size of Olympus mons, fair enough .

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

@Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some  aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff), and had there actually been a vague possibility the good guys might loose or that the main character felt anything but his own awesomeness, some of the action sequences and battles might have been fun to read.I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!Again, if others like the series for the action and world building, and don't mind a main character who is a boarderline psychotic arse hole with an ego the size of Olympus mons, fair enough .

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

@Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some  aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff), and I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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I've actually got the nicholas Sansbury smith books. They looked like the sort of thing which either could be really good, or shallow pieces with brainless action and stereotyped characters . I also confess I'm unfairly put off by the "helldivers!" name of the series because, in the terrible terrible terrible! appallingly awful Red rising series by Peers Brown, the main character keeps going on about him being a "hell diver", IE a guy who uses a mining drill on mars (because even his menial job as a slave has to sound super awesome!). though I admit, this is likely just a bad association on my part and is unfair considering I've not read any of sansbury smith's books yet.

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

@Lucas1853, I don't doubt that there is some good quality fan fiction out there, and indeed communities who recognise the inequities, it's just that generally in my experience as you said, there is a lot of dross as well, particularly because of the lack of editors or direction, hence why I personally tend to prefer to explore new authors and worlds most of the time.

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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed

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At risk of repeating myself, I write book reviews over on fantasybookreview.co.uk, which you can find here. I personally haven't been a fan of fan fiction, or even licensed works set in preexisting universes, even for things I'm a major fan of in Rl like Doctor who.. This is sort of ironic, given that I once tried to fan novelise the playstation Rpg xenogears myself, however, I've tended to find that fanfics, and to a lesser extent canonical licensed books in starwars, startrek etc, spend most of their time either trying to repeat the main works of the series, send series characters off into directions the author wants, or have the author's own characters there just to out do established ones, being more powerful, more evil, more handsome or beautiful etc. Personally, I just like a good story like Harry potter which starts and stops, and even for something like Doctor who I'd much rather just something that puts the doctor and companions in an interesting situation, EG in a culture or time they haven't visited or encountering new aliens, than in suddenly fighting the greatest threat to the universe ever, or a species that are eviller than the daleks, or suddenly finding that historical figure of the day wants to make the doctor's companion his queen or whatever .So all of this is to say, for myself I've read far more new and established book series, than fanfics, or even licensed books, and am happier to have done so. As to what to recommend, well it's difficult to say since you have given a very broad criteria. Off the top of my head, George R R Martin, Tad williams, Robin Hobb, Patric rothfus or Brandon Sanderson for High fantasy although Williams and Sanderson have written stuff in very different genres too. Tad williams again for cyberpunk near future sf, Niel Gaimon for modern fantasy and twisted fairy tales, Julian May, Lowis MCMaster Boujald for space opera, Stephen King for Horror and more cross over fantasy, China Nieville for steampunk and stuff that is very grim and Justin Cronin or Anna Smail for post appocalyptic. There are probably a bunch more that I could suggest, but that is what occurs to me at the moment.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Firefly, that is a fair point about Eddings and invincibility, and is a major stumbling block in Belgarath the Sorcerer and Polgara the sorceress. When I reread the Belgariad, the fact that most is told from Garion's perspective, and Garion is intrinsically inexperienced and doesn't really know what is happening, often created tension even in situations where there wasn't, for example the sequence where they're all captured by the evil Nobleman, and of course Silk picks the locks in seconds, but we're still treated to a brief sequence of Garion sitting around in his cell wondering if they're about to be sacrificed. Plus of course with Eddings, the Banter and interplay between the characters was always fun. with Brooks, or at least in those Brooks novels I read, even when we lost characters, I just didn't feel connected enough to those characters for it to really have emotional impact, because most of the characters I saw were simply their description or profession, EG beautiful princess or sorceress, awesome ranger, dwarven fightre, powerful mage  etc, so I never really got attached to them.With the WoT series being mainly focused on Moirane I'm not sure, since on the one hand I could see that as a good way to introduce the white tower and a lot of the politics early, on the other, I do remember loving Eye of the world simply for the journey aspects and the fact we got to learn more about the world and it's history slowly over time, then again I freely admit, I have a thing about journey stories anyway. we'll see I suppose. Btw, amusingly Enough, my lady is very urked with the fact that the actress playing Moirane in the series is apparently five foot nine! Being, under five feet herself, my lady always likes seeing awesome tiny women in fiction, and is quite annoyed that the series is displaying this level of hightism :D.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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@Firefly, that is a fair point about Eddings and invincibility, and is a major stumbling block in Belgarath the Sorcerer and Polgara the sorceress. When I reread the Belgariad, the fact that most is told from Garion's perspective, and Garion is intrinsically inexperienced and doesn't really know what is happening, often created tension even in situations where there wasn't, for example the sequence where they're all captured by the evil Nobleman, and of course Silk picks the locks in seconds, but we're still treated to a brief sequence of Garion sitting around in his cell wondering if they're about to be sacrificed. Plus of course with Eddings, the Banter and interplay between the characters was always fun. with Brooks, or at least in those Brooks novels I read, even when we lost characters, I just didn't feel connected enough to those characters for it to really have emotional impact, because most of the characters I saw were simply their description or profession, EG beautiful princess or sorceress, awesome ranger, dwarven fightre, powerful mage  etc, so I never really got attached to them.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

Okay Lem, Transcriptions sent. If other people want them, let me know and I'll gladly stick them on sendspace. It's a shame to miss out on Angel really, given how integral it is to Buffy's story line. Season 1 of angel happens at the same time as Buffy season 4, season 2 season 5 and so on, with Angel Seasons 4 and 5 happening after the Buffy series finishes, there are even a couple of crossovers where characters from Buffy Like Willow, Jonathon  and occasionally Buffy herself turn up in Angel as well, albeit I do wish they'd done a few more of these to tie the two series together a bit more.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Wing of eternity, yes we are having a tv adaptation of the wheel of time, it's not an anime. It's due for release in 2021 by Amazon, Corona virus willing, what it will be like, well we'll see. I'm afraid Terry Brooks sword of Shanara I really disliked, a blatant copy of lord of the rings, even down to the structure of it's plot, with infinitely worse writing. A read a few others in the Shanara series hoping things would get a little better, and though Druids of shanara was showing a little improvement on that score, at least as far as originality and atmosphere goes, in general I just found everything way to blatantly standard fantasy, as though it was all written with character descriptions from the D source manual, without attention to dialogue, plot or much beyond that. My lady has read more terry Brooks and recommends some of the series, and I know Tom ward was a fan of some of them, but with so much really unique fantasy out there I've not really considered giving more of his stuff a try. Dragonlance is one I've heard of often, but have never read. My brother was a huge fan, but whether they have a bit more too them than just stock fantasy elements, I'm not sure. I will say I  was recently rather disappointed with Ramond Fiest's rift war trilogy (find my reviews on the above site), which, despite some really unique ideas and lovely bits of description, just fell down too much in characters and plot, though there I've heard there is a massive difference between  Rift war and it's sequel series, The Empire trilogy, so I might give those a try at some point, albeit I think the next fantasy authors I'll be trying will be Erika  Johansan and Jo Abacromby.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, I'll bare that in mind about black mirror since it is a series I've heard about. Interestingly enough, with Buffy and Angel, I found some pretty awesome online transcripts from a now no longer available site which detail all the action rather nicely. I would have one of those open in a separate window whilst watching the dvds, and if I thought I'd missed something (especially in fast action sequences), would cut to it. Hopefully, a described version of Angel will materialise at some point, but in the mean time, if You'd like the transcripts, let me know. The website where I got them seems to be down, but fortunately I saved them all for future use as text files.Actually, I'd also like to show my lady several bits of Startrek TNG, which is a series I've been watching since I was in my mid teens, and which has some episodes I know she'd love, but sadly I've not come across any audio descriptions of that as yet, and unfortunately the dvd copies I have don't have descriptions either.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, don't confuse Twilight and the twilight zone . Actually for that sort of anthology story telling I always prefered the outer limits which was a bit darker. Black mirror would be interesting, but at the moment I think I'm more drawn to series that ell a definite story than series which are episodic. Reading (or audio dramas), tend to take priority with me, much as I like my dvd collection in general. Angel really is the companion series to Buffy, and a lot of events and characters cross between them, for example Cordelia's story and development as a character from completely shallow, self-obsessed mean girl, to pretty awesome, world saving hero needs to carry on over with Angel. Same goes for Wesley and Faith.There are elements of the story in Angel I disliked, for example, I liked where Spike's story ended for Buffy, and was actively disappointed that he was bought into Angel as a character, since awesome though Spike was, I preferred the idea of him having a distinct ending, to him just sort  of just being bought back to carry on because he was popular. Likewise, the Buffy series actually left the angel/buffy relationship in a far better place than Angel did, albeit most people's problem with Angel, the sort of open ended "one more battle", ending didn't bother me quite as much as the fact that one  beloved and amazing character in Angel got really severely short changed, seemingly just because they needed to resolve her story some way. Actually, I've seen those audio described Buffy seasons and have been thinking of trying them out with my lady, since I've always thought she'd enjoy Buffy if we could find it with description.It's odd, I never liked Buffy whenever I encountered it in the early 2000's, mostly because I just saw a couple of isolated "monster of the week" type of episodes, and beyond watching teenagers pound on vampires, never really got the relationships or what was going on. it was after I watched firefly and loved the world and the characters, that various people told me Buffy had the same quality of writing, so even though Urban fantasy is probably one of my least favourite genres, I decided to give it a go, and yeah, it was pretty amazing! As to the ending of game of thrones, well as I've been sharing thoughts progressively in monthly chat topics, I'll not start about that here. I'm going to start season 8 this evening, so we'll see.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, don't confuse Twilight and the twilight zone . Actually for that sort of anthology story telling I always prefered the outer limits which was a bit darker. Black mirror would be interesting, but at the moment I think I'm more drawn to series that ell a definite story than series which are episodic. Reading (or audio dramas), tend to take priority with me, much as I like my dvd collection in general. Angel really is the companion series to Buffy, and a lot of events and characters cross between them, for example Cordelia's story and development as a character from completely shallow, self-obsessed mean girl, to pretty awesome, world saving hero needs to carry on over with Angel. Same goes for Wesley and Faith.There are elements of the story in Angel I disliked, for example, I liked where Spike's story ended for Buffy, and was actively disappointed that he was bought into Angel as a character, since awesome though Spike was, I preferred the idea of him having a distinct ending, to him just sort  of just being bought back to carry on because he was popular. Likewise, the Buffy series actually left the angel/buffy relationship in a far better place than Angel did, albeit most people's problem with Angel, the sort of open ended "one more battle", ending didn't bother me quite as much as the fact that one  beloved and amazing character in Angel got really severely short changed, seemingly just because they needed to resolve her story some way. Actually, I've seen those audio described Buffy seasons and have been thinking of trying them out with my lady, since I've always thought she'd enjoy Buffy if we could find it with description.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Cw, I cannot really be absolutely objective about lord of the rings, because I was so young when I was first introduced to it. It's something I've grown up with, reread every few years, been through various adaptations from the 1980 BBC radio play, to the Ralf Backshy animation, to of course the Peter Jackson films. What I find particularly fascinating about Lotr is that everytime I reread it, no matter how much writing and reading experience I gain, I just find myself in ore of what Tolkien did. The book certainly has it's  flaws of course, but every time I reread it, I find another great point in writing, another point of description I like, a way a particular character is drawn, the way the events tie back to older bits of the world and legendarium etc.George R R Martin, in his autobiography, once said that upon reading Lord of the rings, his overwhelming thought was "I cannot write something like this!" He'd read books he liked before this, , indeed Martin is very much a reader's writer, however with Lord of the rings, he honestly felt, and apparently still feels, literally in ore of the creation Tolkien made, even with all he's achieved. So, all that being said, not wheel of time, nor much else is much like Lord of the rings imho, because nothing really is, indeed trying to immitate lord of the rings without Tolkien's strengths as a schollar or a writer is a mistake many less good fantasy authors make, rather than trying to build something of their own which is unique, (terry Brooks, I'm looking at you).So, Wheel of time is not strictly speaking "like!" lord of the rings, even though Jordan  makes many conscious nods to lord of the rings. What wheel of time is, is a story which seems to start out with the standard "farm boy discovers he's going to confront the dark lord and save the world, along side his loyal companions" type of story, which then pretty quickly evolves into something much more complicated, with innumerable factions, political interplay between it's characters, a lot of mistrust, backstabbing and general wheeling and dealing and a very complex world and culture, with different lands, fashions, peoples and idiologies, some of which we get to explore in detail. The cosmological aspects of the world serve rather more to emphasise why the world is the way it is, why characters behave as they do and what the ultimate goal is, rather than existing as something that can be explored on it's own. For instance, WoT happens in a world where magic is split into female and male specific forms, but where (due to an ancient cataclysm), any men who attempt to use magic go insane. Therefore, it is a world where gender relations are often different from those of our own world, both politically, (there are far more queendoms and female only institutions), and individually rather a lot of bickering, and even married couples constantly mistrusting one another, (if you don't like kiss kiss, slap slap, love hate relationships, this series will annoy you, since really there are very few nice natured, none confrontational  couples in the entire series, and even one of those has to share her husband with two other women some of this is great, indeed I love the cultural exploration and the way characters evolve and change throughout the series, indeed one of my personal favourite climaxes in the series simply involves the main character making a personal discovery. Some of this is irritating, I've mentioned the constant bickering and mistrust, and imho the series does get to a slump in the middle where there are far too many characters and perspectives and the main plots are running too slowly. The series does get into some uncomfortable territory on occasion, albeit it seems almost fluffy when compared to game of thrones. Sometimes this is intentional, being nasty challenges the characters need to go through, sometimes it unfortunately just seemed Jordan had slightly weird ideas which resulted in less pleasant stuff (the man has a rather disturbing thing about spanking, also a very nasty, abusive relationship played entirely for laughs at one point).On the other hand, the writing is just amazing in places, there are battles, gorgeous bits of description and characters you grow very attached to, all of that good stuffMy lady absolutely adores the series (indeed on her last reread, she said the books 6-10 slump was far less slumpy to her in general, and several plotlines which fans tend to have a downer on were pretty okay).Actually when she just turned up while I was writing this post, when I told her I was trying to describe WoT to someone who hadn't read it, her response was "Yes, tell him to read it!" . trying to compare Wheel of time and lord of the rings would be pretty difficult. On the other hand, simply speaking as someone whose read a lot of books, is trying to write himself,  and pretends, (at least as far as writing nearly 150 fairly long book 

Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, I'm afraid the only name in WoT I would personally accept as a direct "well you really could've tried harder", is Shytan for the dark one, since that is the only case where you have a literal paralell of someone who fulfills the exact same roll as the mythological namesake, and even in that case, mostly the dark one is referd to as,  well the dark one .There are some vague others, EG the names of the forsaken sort of paralelling some evil entities, but, the beings in question, and the paralells are far more abstruse, EG Graendal obviously sounds a bit like Grendel, the monster from Beowulf, though the characters couldn't be more different. Other relationships are far less clear, I already mentioned lord Gabril (who is not the least angellic), then there is indeed a young prince called Garwin, and though he goes on a rather doomed quest and has a highly developed sense of honour, there are no green knights or the like. the only names I strongly disliked myself, were rand's last name of Al.Thor,  because clearly the audience were obviously too dum to work out how awesome he was so needed reminding of the norse god of thunder :d. The name of the forsaken Demandred, because obviously someone with a name which literally sounds like Demon dread is clearly an ambiguous and complex character and not a bad guy at all . And for a rather similar reason the name mordeth, though in that case the way Mat was so quick to trust an incredibly creepy guy with creepy written all over him in huge creepy letters, whose name is literally more! death! was actually sort of funny .@Wing of eternity: there are several stories which act as flashbacks, such as Patric Rothfus kinkiller, which is basically a long interview with the main character about his life story, and Coraline, which is the story of a man remembering his childhood. However, the only story I've seen which is almost literally written backwards is use of weapons by Ian M Banks, which I do confess I never quite got into. It begins at chapter 1, then follows chapter xxviii, then chapter 2, then chapter xxvii, until at the end you have chapter 28, and chapter I. it sort of tells two stories in paralell, one backwards, one forwards, with you needing to connect the dots. As with a lot of Ian M Banks though, it's extremely difficult, indeed probably the most difficult of his I've ever read, and one I need to try again, as well as being grim as hell, occasionally pointless, and strangely beautiful, with amazing sf concepts and philosophical discussions right beside strange aliens, space battles and a really difficult need to piece together what the hell is going on. banks is an author I actually can't decide whether I like or not, since some of his stuff, Look to windward, inversions, player of games I've really enjoyed, whilst Consider phlebas and against a dark background were so grim and full of pointless random unresolvedness I wanted to break something .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, I find it a little odd that you praise Tolkienn's cosmology, which does nothing to hide it's christian influences (Tolkien was a Catholic after all), and then essentially, dam jordan for the same thing, even though Jordan's cosmology, other than in some of it's names, is far less obviously Christian influenced than Tolkien's. For example, a major point in WoT, is the idea of reincarnation, both in the sense of time being cyclic (it's in the title of the series), and in a more literal sense as in fact you'll find out.Contrast this with Tolkien who has a literal understanding of death, and (in earlier draughts of his cosmology), even concepts of heaven, hell and purgatory. Oh, and btw, the Dark one, despite the name Shytan couldn't be more different, indeed you don't exactly find out what the dark one's true intensions are until the very last book of the series, and they are awesomely, and interestingly nasty, indeed one of my favourite sequences in the hole cycle. It is true that in the eye of the world at least, Jordan was consciously mirroring the idea of Lotr, and the standard, "farm boy saves the world from ultimate evil", type of story, even though WoT quickly gravitates very much away from that and becomes something quite different.Indeed, one of the most interesting things about WoT as a series, is that though it is supposedly a monolythic battle against good and evil, at the same time, there are so many factions, interests, political intricacies. There are those supposedly working for the good guys who do horrible things, those who believe their way of combatting the dark one must be correct, those who are simply out for themselves or their way of life, even among the villains, there is a huge amount of bakstabbing and conniving, and points where the villains end up scuppering each other's plans, or even help out some of the good guys when it suits them, and if you like military fiction, you'll be seeing some of that in the series too. Jordan unfortunately didn't write much else, since WoT took up so much time. He apparently published a couple of Westerns which are less my thing. he also wrote several Conan the Barbarian stories, which are about as silly and at times uncomfortable to read as most Conan stories, though imho not having any of the moments of beauty the howard originals sometimes have, and less excusable for questionable attitudes being written in the eighties, I don't think I've heard so many synonyms for ladies of the evening in one place! .Indeed when I first started WoT, having just read Jordan's Conan, I was actually expecting something a bit more like Terry Goodkind's sword of truth, something less complex with fairly archetypal characters, good for a bit of light amusement but not really something with a serious world or complex characters behind it, (wow! was I wrong!).  Interestingly enough, Jordan's first unpublished novel, Warrior of the Altaii, was recently released. I've not read it yet myself. My lady read it, and despite being a massive WoT Fan girl, really! disliked it. She said there were hints at what Jordan would become later, but generally the book read far more like the conan stories, and was quite needlessly nasty in parts.She said it was interesting to read as an author's first effort, but she wouldn't be reading it again, in contrast to WoT which she's already read three times, not counting at least three reread blogs she's a regular reader of, and will probably read yet again!

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

I've heard that the amazon controls are accessible on the phone Ap, though since I have no chance in hell of getting anything visually out of something as small as a phone screen, I just haven't investigated that. Sadly, on PC they're %100 inaccessible.Actually, the description of the boys sounds a bit like the anime Tiger and bunny which I did enjoy, and which again, did something different with superheroes. It's probably a series I'll like, albeit I have game of thrones season 8, and the audios to go first. I've heard of black mirror, as a sort of modern version of the twilight zone, though haven't really investigated the series. In general, I tend to read more than I watch tv, mostly I pick one series and go slowly through it a couple of episodes at a time, I've been doing GoT for the last few months, and before that it was Picard, before that buffy the vampire slayer and Angel. GoT has taken me a bit longer because of having to watch the series and do the audio descriptions separately, since annoyingly the full box set of dvds didn't come with description, even though some of the past seasons did.With book/film adaptations, I'm at least partly a purist, however equally I don't mind if something is just done differently or given a different spin, EG, I'd have never imagined Saruman the way Christopher lee did him, but he was awesome. Likewise, in game of thrones, the scenes with Aria and Tywin aren't in the books at all, but are amazing! What worries me slightly more, is when the plots of books are simply altered to make them shallower or more visually appealing, without any attention paid to consistency of world or characters. For example, the idea that golum could actually get Sam to Abandon Frodo on the boarders of Mordor, or the random Elf/dwarf romance in the hobbit. Indeed, there is a perfect example of what should've been a great adaptation handled badly, since had Toriel been introduced simply as a kick ass female elf guard captain, perhaps one who goes against her King to try and help out the dwarves, or perhaps one who gets in trouble due to the dwarves escape by barrel and so has to win back her King's respect, that would have been fantastic!The hobbit after all has no female characters, and having one at least in there fulfilling her own story would have both added to the richness of the world, and been all around a good move, after alll Tolkein had several pretty awesome female elven warriors, notably Luthein herself.however, what do they do with Toriel? A legolas, Fili Toriel love triangle! of all the trite, pathetic, shallow things to do with a female character, the love triangle! and a cross ratial love triangle that has no basis  in Tolkkein's legendarium! especially one featuring a character who didn't even need to be in this story! This is what I mean with adaptation. I don't mind changes that enhance the story, but I strongly dislike changes that actually break the story, or simply make no sense with the established world or characters.Btw, for more about this, check out Lost in adaptation, by Dominic noble on Youtube, a youtuber who compares films to the books they are based on, he's done everything from Harry potter and Twilight, to Rebecca, picture of Dorian grey and the invisible man.I don't agree with him about everything, but he's entertaining and has interesting opinions.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, again, it depends upon what you want. The names in WoT have similarities, but the characters do not. Ishamael, and ba'alzamon have very different origins in WoT than in Abrahamaic religion, especially when the truth behind both becomes a little more clear later in the series, heck, there is a very nasty piece of work later in the series called Gabril, and though Artur Hawkwing was indeed a legendary hero, those working supposedly to uphold his legacy are anything but heroic .(actually, my lady, who is a fan of angels was counting the other day the amount of possibly angelic names in WoT, and how many of these belong to decidedly un angelic characters).WoT, also borrows a lot from none christian mythologies, EG the Ais-sidai symbol, two sided magic and the principles of Yin and Yang, as well as the cosmological idea of a repeating wheel of time, which is a decidedly eastern idea (especially combined with  the idea of reincarnation).Again though, it depends upon what you want in a story. For me, unless the author is expressly and specifically making a definite point about religion or culture stated in the narrative C S Lewis, Terry Goodkind or Robert Heinlein  style, I'm usually content to just let a story be a story, let a fantasy world be a very decidedly fantasy world (especially in as culturally diverse a fantasy world as WoT, with it's various nations, fashions, peoples, alliances etc), and when there is a mythological or cultural significance to a given element, just say "oh look, so and so borrowed this thing from mythology", or the like. I don't need every story to have an express moral, or believe in a meta narative, indeed I tend to prefer it when they don't, and find them much more effective when they let me think and decide for myself, since while I love reading fiction, I'm less keen on being preached at, so won't tend to go and look for preaching where it doesn't exist, or try to trip up an author's beliefs for daring to be different from mine, so long as the author doesn't try to ram those beliefs down my throat. Hell, even if an author and I do! agree on things, if the author preaches at me too much, I'm likely to enjoy the book less, as happened with Becky Chambers most recent novella.As I've said before, In WoT, I do not like the gendered cosmology, I also get rather sick of the way Jordan tends to depict couples as constantly bickering and mistrusting each other in an often literal battle of the sexes. Also, for such a large and otherwise highly diverse world there is a decided lack of gay characters, or cultures who accept homosexuality readily (I personally could  always imagine the Aieel with their warrior societies as  having acceptance of homosexual relationships among it's military). However, does any of this stop me enjoying the story or thinking it's an amazingly awesome fantasy epic, and highly worth reading? Hell no!

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Re: YOU vs THE TERMINATOR - Could You Defeat And Survive him?

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Re: YOU vs THE TERMINATOR - Could You Defeat And Survive him?

I would just point out to the Terminator, that since humanity is intent on terminating itself, by terminating me and therefore saving humanity, the terminator is actually terminating humanity anyway, therefore catching it in a logical fallacy which (according to all the laws of science fiction), would result in it's cpu exploding in as large and impressive a way as possible leaving just enough time for me to vacate the area and stand dramatically with the explosion happening behind me .

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Re: YOU vs THE TERMINATOR - Could You Defeat And Survive him?

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Re: YOU vs THE TERMINATOR - Could You Defeat And Survive him?

I would just point out to the Terminator, that since humanity is intent on terminating itself, by terminating me and therefore saving humanity, the terminator is actually terminating humanity anyway, therefore catching it in a logical fallacy which (according to all the laws of science fiction), would result in it's cpu exploding in as large and dramatic a way as possible leaving just enough time for me to vacate the area and stand dramatically with the explosion happening behind me .

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, the sad thing is that as I said, Badali jewelary actually did sell a lot of WoT merchandise up until the series was announced. They had the Aja pendents, Ais Sidai rings, the forehead jewel that Moirane wears (which I also bought for my lady), as well as several terangreael charms, and even the mind trap, (which I did not buy for my lady since that would have been quite icky ).So it's rather sad that they aren't for sale anymore. Actually if WoT is amazon rather than netflicks, that will be good, since we were thinking we might need to get Netflicks at least temporarily in order to watch it. When I watched Startrek Picard on Amazon it did have audio description, albeit due to amazon's really stupid design, the controls to enable audio description are inaccessible (no this does not make sense), I actually had to get my brother to login to my own amazon account on his machine and enable the audio description for me. I am actually thinking of watching the boys when I've finished game of thrones, usually I really dislike superheroes, but I get the strong impression the boys is very much a series for people who dislike superheroes .On the WoT series generally, we're sort of cringing in preparation for it to be pretty terrible, but we might be pleasantly surprised, we'll have to wait and see, they'll certainly need to cut a lot from the books, which is fair enough, but it's whether what stays in actually works, and doesn't just descend into the usual style over substance style story telling.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, many of the names have mythological origins or analogues, but the mythos is very rarely borrowed hole sale, EG The dark one is not a fallen angel or the like, Ba'alzamon is actually a guy who just went particularly evil, there is certainly no christ analogue, and though the hero has his messianic moments, they are dealt with in a rather different way. Then again, I never really mind appropriation of ideas in a fantasy setting so long as the author is telling an interesting story and doing something interesting with them, heck in memory sorrow and Thorn, Tad williams pretty much borrows certain cultures and idea hole sale, including nordic and catholic christianity, but since the story's main elements involve semi immortal rather alien elf like creatures, and one very renigade undead elf prince who wants to destroy the world in revenge, the historical/mythological cultural borrowing is pretty much just background. The only time it irritates me, is when mythology spoils the story, say when a character just becomes an uninteresting hit things type of figure under the disguise of the author making mythological parallels, or when the author's attempt to cram in and reference mythology pushes other elements of the story to one side. I was actually really bothered by this in Guy Gavril Kay's Fionavar tapastry. The first book is an incredibly good fantasy about five graduate students getting sucked into another world and participating in a war against that worlds' dark lord. The second however, suddenly introduces Arthur himself, and Lancelot, and makes one of the principle characters into Guinevere, a character who had a lot of journeying to do on her own. Unfortunately from that point, while the main cast still have things to do (accept the poor girl who pretty much ends up mind subsumed into Guinevere), we also have to have Arthur and Lancelot riding around being awesome and playing out the old triangle. the writing is lovely, and Lancelot in particular has some really awesome moments (including an incredible duel against an earth guardian), however, I really didn't want! Arthur or Lancelot's stories at that point, I wanted to see the five characters from our own world be awesome and stop the darkness and go on their own journeys, as they had in the first book. again, both Williams and Kay did this in their first fantasies and changed things later, so whether it was a reliance on established myth I don't know.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

I should check those unfettered anthologies. Lev Grossman's magicians trilogy is one people have recommended, in particular, the webmaster of fantasybokkreview.co.uk is a big fan. I do recall reading a story in a collection myself, possibly the same one that is in unfettered, it was a pretty okay story, but I got the impression it would mean a lot more if I'd read the rest of the series since it delved into the past of the magical university. Badali jewelary who I mentioned above sold ashaman pins and cufflinks, I didn't buy the sword pin as they only had it as a tie clip, and I don't generally wear shirts with ties. The reason I bought my lady the Green aja flame of tarvallan pendent was because I couldn't get a shawl, and it was the next best thing. Interestingly enough, they had pendents in all the Aja colours, including black! .The only problem as I said though, is that they've had to stop their WoT line because of the silly netflicks licensing, which is a shame. They haven't had any Game of thrones stuff for the same reason, though they have a fair amount of lord of the rings and  jewelary from middle earth generally, as well as from many other series including mistborn (you can have your own set of Alamantic vials), Kingkiller, Dresden and quite a few others. I can also confirm that their stuff is really nice in terms of quality and detail, indeed my lady bought me a bridge four pendent for Christmas last year.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, Yeah, my lady loves the great serpent ring and Green Aja pendent, actually rather the way I wear a copy of the one ring on the opposite hand to my wedding ring, my lady wears her great serpent ring all the time too. I also have some Ashaman dragon cufflinks for myself .Sadly, Badali Jewelary, who previously made all the Wo~T stuff, have had to stop their WoT line with the tv series coming out, because you know, netflicks wants their sweet sweet merchandise deals, their website is here, and they have a lot of cool stuff, we even have talent pipes from Kingkiller, and I bought my brother one of the Dresden files black danarius fallen angel coins as a Christmas present last year as well. Those unfetterred collections sound cool, we'll have to check those. New spring was actually intended as the first of three prequals, the second dealing with Tam finding young Rand literally on the slopes of Dragonmount while serving in the war, and the second dealing with how Lan and Mwarane came to the two rivers just before the beginning of Eye of the world. Sad they won't be completed, though by the same token, I'd rather Sanderson didnt' expand the series too far or things around them, I'd much rather have a series with a difinitive ending rather than them just bimble on and on.

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Re: programming, the one power, and the wheel of time

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Re: programming, the one power, and the wheel of time

BGT Lover wrote:in the past, there have been many wars between the two factions,, This place is clearly not rand land, since the idea of there being only two factions in rand land is imho far more of a leap of logic than the idea of a computer with the one power . The problem in Jordan terms, is that Jordan created a universe where the one power is exclusively tied to two genders. There are objects that use the one power it is true that can be used by anyone, but to actually channel the source long enough to create weaves, a person would need to be either male or female, and surrender or fight appropriately, unless of course your channelling the true power from the dark one, which is obviously all sorts of a bad idea.This is one part of Jordan's universe I personally didn't like, that Freudian psychology about gender got tied into the cosmology, but if your playing in that universe, that's unfortunately how it is, and because of those rules, if an Ai where channelling the one power, the Ai would either need to be male or female. I'd personally suggest, if your thinking in fictional terms, of trying to create your own ideas, world, universe magic system, or just an idea for one story or two, rather than trying to stretch an author's work into something it probably wouldn't be shaped to fit initially. of course, there are probably reams of WoT Fanfics out there that do all sorts with the world, however there are probably also reams of Fanfics where Mat and Baalzamon become a gay couple, Mwarane gets pregnant with Asmodian's child, and where it turns out Sem buee was really the dark one's father  all along, so, well m, yes. I will freely admit I'm more a fan of original writing than fanfics, since the more cooks you have in a world with no head cook (or producer), to stem the excesses the more mad things tend to get, but still obviously there are many people who like that sort of thing too.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, I'm looking forward to the next book too, and where things go, though I wish we were getting Zeth's backstory, as he's one of the most fascinating characters. I don't mind character power too much so long as the characters remain relatively week in comparison to what they're fighting so that things dont' feel too easy. The one character I am getting mildly irritated with in this respect is Kaladin going all superman, and I strongly dislike the idea that the main characters get their loyal sidekicks who sort of have worse versions of their powers just to follow them around.My lady and I reread all of Stormlight just before Oathbreaker came out, so we're pretty uptodate there.

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

Okay well not a lot else to report, though both locally, and nationally, it seems we're heading back into lockdown ville, even over Jelly fish Jonson's idiotic protests and attempts to put up wishy washy regulations, like telling people more than one household can't meet up, then having pubs stay open and serve outside alcohol, because you know nothing should get in the way of the country boosing! . Still, I suspect lockdown is coming! sorry too much game of thrones. Of course, as I said before, that's not exactly new for us at the moment . The only really major thing to report at the second is I've now finished game of thrones season 7, which I'll now be discussing in a bit more detail, so if you've not seen it, stop before this post turns into a spoil of spoilers! .Season 6 was over all disappointing, though with that awesome scene around the sept, it did seem to be getting momentum back a little, and at this point I just want to push on to the end. Season 7  was better than 6 over all, but just feels a bit too fanficky, in the sense that a lot of stuff seems to be happening just to put characters together, like having John, and Jora, and  Beric dundarian, and Sandor Clegane, and Gendry all go white hunting north of the wall, actually wye Gendry's back in the series at all I'm not sure at this point. Also yee gods there are callbacks upon callbacks to previous plot, rather than establishing new plot or even having old plots progress. This is of course a good thing in some cases (I really liked seeing some of Aria's friends again, and what happened to little finger), but less good in others, like random John and Dany shipping, or having an arria vs Brienne fight, cool to see though it was. Circie has gone all sorts of nuts, and is just completely evil now, which is fair enough, but really less interesting, also oddly the series is feeling smaller, between character deaths, and the sort of weird way someone just says "I'll go to so and so" and then turns up there in the next scene! Yes, I know it's suppose to be a time skip, but honestly, it feels like Westeros now has it's own startrek style transporter! I'm also finding a lot of stuff seems to be happening without much thought of character, so one second, Danaerys will stop at nothing to win and is engaging in a political flame war, slaughtering thousands of innnocent soldiers who just happen to be working for the wrong side in the process, the next, everyone's following her and declaring how good a queen she is! One minute Randal Tarl Tarley, sam's dad is set up as general, the next Danaerys is just flaming him randomly, with no consequences, though I really hope there is at least some fallout from this in season 7, particularly since it makes him the Tarley heir, (I believe Sam's sister is younger than him, so even if she could inherit, Sam's still the oldest). That being said, the way so many factions seem to have vanished really feels odd, and though some characters got amazing exits, Olenna Tyrell, Eleria sand, there doesn't seem to be much replacing them.Whose' ruling dawn now? What are the rest of the lords doing? And didn't the common people notice when a major land mark of Kings landing and the surrounding area went boom! It's odd, there have been some great reunions, and some interesting character growths (I like  the fact Sansa is finally growing up), and yet a lot just feels like stuff which is happening for rule of cool factor, rather than due to any sort of over all plan. Of course, this isn't as bad as in a lot of recent media, indeed from Rise of Skywalker to Fantastic Beasts, style over substance has been a bit of a disease in popular films lately, but it's sad to see something of this happen to game of thrones. and yet, we still have a great villain in Circie, and potential for massive battles with characters I still care about, even if I find the over all narative disconnected and the hole thing at this point is feeling more like someone's fanfic than a real continuation of the plot followed in seasons 1-5. I'll be going straight on to season 8 at least when I've caught up in the audio descriptions, and then I'll likely be as pissed off as everyone else .

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Re: your opinion on china

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Re: your opinion on china

What is my opinion on China? Well china has been around for a very long time, virtually ever since humanity started making ceramic pots, however it was the development of glazing techniques and the formulation of coloured glazes that utility changed to art form, leading to many asian customs such as tea ceremonies which exist to this day. of course, with Victorian expantion and the obsession with eastern culture, glazed pots, and particularly tea became very important in England as well, indeed I have something of a fondness for willow pattern tea services myself, since I appreciate the ancient fairy tale story of doomed love. Wait a minute? What do you mean this topic isn't about pottery? Delicate subject matter, ancient cultures, and above all potential for lots of high heat flames to turn previously malleable substances into something hard and brittle? Sounds about right to me. Anyway, as I don't like the heat I'll get out of the kiln, and will have a nice cup of tea, or coffee in my case . Oh, and for other matters, I personally agree with Kenshira in post 13, generalisations are always wrong, America is a big place, and since I have no knowledge of what the situation between Taiwan and China is, I'll leave well enough alone before I break any crocks .

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem my thoughts are the same on audiobooks, while I did read a lot of books in braille at one point, I always tend to prefer audio if possible. Since we recently had This topic, about the wheel of time it's probably not worth repeating everything here. Interestingly enough, I've just bought my lady a Green Aja T shirt for her birthday since she's a total WoT fan girl, we're sort of waiting in dread to see what gets done with the series. Sanderson did finish things off well, there was a slight break in style, though that was to be expected, although some characters like Mat did suffer slightly in Gathering storm before Sanderson got his groove really going, and A memory of light being basically one giant battle felt very Sanderson, though of course by the same token it is the last battle to basically determine the fate of the world so didn't want to be a disappointment.If you haven't read thee Stormlight books Lem, you really should, they're imho Sanderson's best, grim as hell, with a really unique world, and some really clever plotting, indeed the third book does something I would not have expected, and tells the back story of a character from the first book, which makes you think of him in an entirely different light. I won't spoil it, but suffice it to say, it's an incredibly clever bit of plot. I don't tend to think Sanderson is next to god the way some people do, or hale everything he's written as a classic, like any author he has books I thought were better or worse than others, but Stormlight truly is exceptional.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem my thoughts are the same on audiobooks, while I did read a lot of books in braille at one point, I always tend to prefer audio if possible. Since we recently had This topic, about the wheel of time it's probably not worth repeating everything here. Interestingly enough, I've just bought my lady a Green Aja T shirt for her birthday since she's a total WoT fan girl, we're sort of waiting in dread to see what gets done with the series. Sanderson did finish things off well, there was a slight break in style, though that was to be expected, although some characters like Mat did suffer slightly in Gathering storm before Sanderson got his groove really going, and A memory of light being basically one giant battle felt very Sanderson, though of course by the same token it is the last battle to basically determine the fate of the world so didn't want to be a disappointment.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem,  Magic systems are sort of what Sanderson does in general and something he's good at. I will say, while I have enjoyed all of his books I haven't found them all equal. I loved Skyward, but for a revelation about the protagonist that occurred in the book (see my review on fantasybookreview.co.uk for a full discussion). Mistborn was amazing in the first book, dragged a bit in the second and third but came together well, though I was less keen on the Wax and Wane series set later, since while the world was interesting, the characters and over all plot seemed to get going less, plus there were some characters I just plane was less keen on. Also, I personally was less a fan of the secret history's take on Mistborn, since I personally prefer dead characters to stay dead, and am not really into character resurrection unless there is a really good reason.I loved Arcanum unbounded generally as a collection, albeit it was annoying that it was recounted from the pov of Crystlia from white sands which is a graphic novel series and thus inaccessible (thanks Sanderson), though I did recently hear an audio drama of the first white sands book from Graphic audio which explained who she was at least.With Sanderson's other stuff, Warbreaker and the Stormlight archive are truly amazing, Rythmetist was a bit disappointing but fun as far as it went, Elantris was definitely a first novel unfortunately, and I confess while I read the reckoners and they were okay, interesting for the powers but disappointing in  characters, , while the Rhythmetist was interesting for the world, but really needs a sequel to make it complete, while I confess I didn't care for the two legion novellas, mostly because the main character is a bit in love with himself and a bit of an arse.Unfortunately, I'm getting to the point where Sanderson's familiar character tropes are a bit obvious, he likes martially compitant underdog male characters with a leader complex, and schollarly females with a habbit of mouthing off at inconvenient times. That's why Skyward was a breath of fresh air, since Spin felt like a new character, and also why the graphic audio white sands was a trifle disappointing, since the protagonists there just felt like a redux of Caladin and Shalon without their interesting backstory or quirks.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

@Lem, with Canavan, the books did get better as they went on, in style and in terms of general plot progression, though I'm afraid Sonea's over all lack of motivation and calcuation sort of irritated me throughout the trilogy. I have had it in mind to reread and review them though, particularly since there is a sequel series about Sonea's son which delves more into the blood magic aspects of the series, as well as a prequal. Plus of course, since when I read them in 2012, I was recovering from a badly sprained and almost broken arm and pretty much just on my back reading for a week, it's possible my view of them was a bit prejudiced . I wouldn't say Pratchett and Gaiman are particularly similar writers, though good omens is worth a read. With Gaiman I've enjoyed most of his adult books, though his norse mythology title odd and the frost giants was disappointing. American Gods, stardust, coroline and Ocean at the end of the lane are all all sorts of fantastic, as are his short story collections, which often contain stories that tie back to his adult fiction. I was less fond of Anancy boys, which is sort of the companion to American Gods, since there the comedy made the plot a bit thin I thought, though it did have some fun moments all the same.@Camlorn, with Mievel I've only read Embasy town, Realsea and the  Vaslag trilogy so far. Actually if we're talking unique books with female Protagonists, Embasy town would definitely qualify imho . I'll have to give unlundun a try.The Night circus was interesting. The style was gorgious the poetry perfect, the romance stylised, and yet the plot just didn't seem to work out. We kept being promised something dark was going to happen, and there would be consequences to the magic, and there just never were, it's odd, I don't think I've ever quite read a book like The Night Circus which was both as amazingly and beautifully written, and so down right badly plotted at the same time, and yet the writing, and style almost entirely makes up for the errors in plot. I wrote a formal review which you can find on the above link to my profile.  @stasp, I've read the odd children's book if it's interesting enough, indeed I'm quite a fan of pretty much anything written by Dianna Wynne Jones, indeed my lady and I are reading one of hers at the moment. Think sort of dark surrealist comedy with magic elements, although the one we're reading is probably the only one of two adult fantasy books she ever wrote, that is books with adult protagonists and sex in, though other than that pretty much the same as her books aimed at kids or young adults in terms of magic, weird humour, characters who are both delightfully self centred and strangely likable, and usually a lack of anything too dark, although she does have her moments on occasion just to give things some intrest.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

Glad your liking the miniseries, as I said, to me it's an old friend. The radio play had some nice bits, but in general I just prefer the way the miniseries did things, EG the angel sounding far more nice, and Vandamar being scottish. @lemm, I'm afraid I wasn't as crazy on Trudy Canavan's black magician trilogy myself. The style I felt cumbersome, and Sonea as a protagonist I found frustrating much of the time, since mostly she just sat and calculated and waited for other people to act before her, while she wayed up whether she liked them or not, it made her quite a cold and calculating character rather than the tough, scrappy street kid I think Canavan intended. I also I really didn't like where she ended up romantically, although the series in general did get better as it went on, and the third book was mostly all sorts of awesome, indeed I've had a mind to reread the series plus the sequel trilogy just on the strength of the third book even if it means wading through the other two. If you want a book with an amazingly awesome female protagonist I'd recommend skyward by brandon sanderson. It's a scifi novel about a planet under constant invasions, the main character is a girl who wants to be a pilot, but is fighting against the fact that her father was a coward who allowed a major defeat to happen.It's first in a trilogy, and my lady and I will be going on to the second two as soon as Sanderson bringgs out the third book next year. I can also recommend, if you like weird fantasy dealing with our own world and a hidden world, the library at mount char by Scott Hawkins, one of the best books by a new writer I've read for a while. It's about a woman called Caralyn who basically is a librarian at a library outside reality run by a godlike, and very cruel entity. More than that I can't really say, since the book is really hard to classify as either fantasy, horror, apocalypse or something else. Find my reviews for both of these books here on fantasybookreview.co.uk,  along with all the other book reviews I've written, including one for Niel Gayman's Stardust.

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing

Neverwhere is a personal favourite of mine. I first was introduced to it when the 1996 miniseries aired in the UK< an adaptation which is still a favourite , actually while the 2013 radio play wasn't bad, imho the miniseries worked rather better, mostly because much of the book was written at the same time that Gaiman wrote the series, so a lot of the moments, actors and reactions worked the same way. it actually is sort of a half way house between novelisation, and adaptation.Myself, I actually liked the way Richard developed as a character, starting out as a typical corporate cog, dominated by his beautiful, but very bitchy girlfriend, and then after actually doing the unthinkable and offering help to a homeless person in trouble, he winds up involved with something he just is totally unprepared for, then rises to a lot of challenges (what he goes through to get the key is pretty horrible), and finally goes home, only to realise that going home was just not what he wanted.Personally the hole thing with Anaesthesia worked for me, since it just shows how dam harsh this world that Richard has stumbled into really is. The point when the Marquis says to Richard "If you make it through the first day, you might survive as long as a month," is actually almost a true representation of just how dangerous the world of London below is, for people who don't really know the rules or where to go.It's really a perfect hero story, there's not much else to say, oh, and I never think of the gap under underground trains quite the same way again . My favourite character is probably the Marquis decarabas, who is just so dam awesome, and also has a totally unexpected plot, but quite honestly, there is little to think of that is negative about neverwhere, and no characters I thought were superfluous. obviously, there is a lot unanswered, what the debt was the Marquis Owed door's family, Whether Door's sister is actually alive or not, who croop and vandamar really are etc, but that's just the mark of a good fantasy, it's a complex dark world and we always get there is more under the surface. Btw, there is a story which serves as a coda of sorts. "how the marquis got his coat back", which shows a bit more of London below including the Elephant of Elephant and castle, and the shepherds of shepherds bush. Door and Richard make brief appearences, but it's mainly a Marquis story, which is why it featured in the collection Rogues, edited by George R R Martin, though I believe it's also available as a single story edition as well. Gaiman has said a novel length sequel entitled the seven sisters is planned, and apparently he's even writing it, which would be all sorts of awesome!

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

@wilson, I know not of these regular sleep schedules of which yee speak . Actually, since I'm still doing half an hour or so running with the zombies each day, I do at least sleep for a reasonable amount of time, albeit it sort of seems to have settled into a 8 or 9 Pm bed time and waking up somewhere between 3 and 6, still, that is at least better than when I was waking up at one or midnight and crashing in the afternoons.@Socheat, really glad Cambodia is avoiding the virus, indeed the online schooling might have something to do with that, urcsome though it is. The funny thing at the moment, is that since we were doing my lady's radio therapy just before lockdown, and since our town had a local outbreak just after the national lockdown stopped in August, it pretty much feels like my lady and I have been stuck inside since January! We were starting to at least walk out to have meals out last month, but between the virus rate rising again and the weather going all sorts of crappy, that probably won't be happening again for quite some time.Amusingly enough, Jelly fish Jonson is up to his usual invertebrate woffling again, on the one hand telling everyone to go t the cinema because cini world is looking like they're having to close, on the other telling everyone that the rule about no more than six people inside will have to be strictly enforced, god the man has no spine!The only good thing of course is that at least he's not Donald Trump, since I confess my lady and I are quite worried about what might happen in the Us next month.Not too much to report, since not too much is happening, though I did finish game of thrones season 6, so once again, here come the spoiling spoilers of spoilage!Okay, I have to say the plot with Circie blowing up the sept was absolutely fantastic! it was set up, delivered, and those 23 minutes of season 6 episode 10 have to be some of the best in the program's history, the tension, the atmosphere, the kick arse music, and my god the payoff! I've never liked that bit in plots when villains start losing their power and go all desperate and pathetic, I'd always rather the villains were defeated right at their strongest, rather than seeing them go all sorts of weedy. Circie I honestly thought this was where things were going, she had no support, had been publically humiliated in a truly horrific way, even her son was no longer in her control. And then suddenly, booom! It was nasty, and unexpected, and yee gods poor tommon and Margerie! And just Wow!While we're speaking of wow plots,  oh my god hodor! It takes a lot to make me cry from fiction. I'm not one of these people who thinks crying is unmanly or any such nonsense, but neither do I indulge in it too much, but "hold the door" actually made me do it! which is a seminal achievement for any work of fiction! Hodor!Sadly I can't say the same for a lot of the other plots. Okay, seeing bolton get defeated in a giant battle was pretty fun, and Sansa having him eaten by his own hounds was cathartic, but why is John snow suddenly King in the north? And again, while Denaerys is all sorts of cool, she has sort of effortlessly just defeated everyone who opposed her, got hold of the entire duthraki nation and even got a force of iron born into the bargain. Not that I mind John or Denaerys succeeding (though I wonder what will hapepn when they meat, especially now that R+L=J has been confirmed in the series at least), however both of them just seemed to pretty much get all their success. indeed, after all Denaerys had to go through just to get Drogo's Calisar on hand, to get the hole nation basically by using her heat resistance as a super power just felt off to me. Aria is going interesting places, and again, seeing nasty old Fray get a good stabbing was nice though how the hell did she suddenly get from Bravos to the twins in the space of one episode? and where did she get the disguise human face mask from if she'd already left the faceless men? Lastly, Davos discovers melisandra is responsable for burning Shareen alive, has a huge and very justified go at her, demands she be executed for the crime and she, - m, just walks away?This in general is the problem with the series, lots of shock moments and stuff happening because it's cool, plus characters given random success or plot armour seemingly because the series just wants them to be somewhere!Also, I confess I really don't like the hole "night king" thing. Not that I mind a good old dark lord, but game of thrones really didn't need one, there are plenty of all too human nastyy people kicking around.Fortunately though, where season 5 seemed to be going off the rails slightly, six still did have the plot moments that felt genuinely real, and while it wasn't quite as good as season 4 say, it has held my interest and got me jazzed to see what comes next, indeed I'm debating going straight on to season 7, since at this point I'd just like to 

Re: What type of music do you listen to?

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Re: What type of music do you listen to?

I believe, most teens go through an "if it's not band x" or at least "style x", or "if it's not in the top fourty" phase. Me? I went through an "if it's not got an orchestra," Phase instead, though admitedly partly as a rebellion against the horrible world of nineties boy and girl bands (the Spice girls are the creation of Satan!). So for me for a long time it was strictly classical, film or game score, and a few rare examples like Jeff Wane's war of the worlds. When I went to uni though, I was suddenly introduced to a lot of stuff that was neither generic pop, nor orchestral, quite apart from the fact that once I started developing my own voice as an instrument, I started looking far more into vocal stuff from music theatre to opera, in particular commic operettas and musicals with word play.then, my lady likes a lot of random vocal stuff, that ranges from eighties synth pop, to sixties, to even bits of country, some of which I'll pick up if I appreciate the words and/or melody and it doesn't sound generic.I'd say these days, though generally my collection is still skewed towards lyric vocalists, a heavy amount of game and film score, and classical, it's probably got at least a bit of everything, from heavy metal, to English folk music, to baroque, albeit rather less by way of rap, jazz or reggae So, putting the hole thing on shuffle can be fun, since you could end up with leonard cohen, followed by some nes Mega man themes, followed by Russel wotson, followed by blackmore's night, Enya, Kraftwerk, Karl Jenkins or george Gershwin . Actually, one of the best statements about music I've heard was by tenor and cross over singer Alphie Boe, a man who sings everything from Les Miserables, to Mozart, to Elvis presley, or bond themes: "there are only two types of music, good music and bad music" . About the only sort of music I absolutely %100 abhore are heavily auto tuned manufactured pop groups with no melodies .

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Re: Blind male - Sighted female relationships on World wide

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Re: Blind male - Sighted female relationships   on World wide

On the one hand, Britain is incredibly crappy for blind people anyway, on the other I'm hardly a typical example since when you start with genophobia and all the other issues I had to deal with, then suddenly run into a relationship so perfect describing it feels like talking about a bad romance novel, my experiences are hardly typical or something anyone could draw real conclusions from.I would say there is something valuable in discussing this, and obviously I have in the past in previous topics, but where I'd be more than happy to just have a friendly chat among blind people, be they straight, gay, bisexual, male female or whatever about my experiences and listen to theirs, I'm afraid framing that chat in the guise of a less than academic sounding "research project" which even starts off on a pretty sticky wicket in terms of wording, professionalism, representation and so on discourages me from wanting to talk about things quite a lot.

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

Having done some research, it seems my lady will be able to register to vote as an ex pat after all, so at least she can do as much as any American voter for what that's worth.

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

@Defender, thumbs up, that is pretty much what my lady and I would say as well. From what we've gathered from this side of the Atlantic, Biden is by no means perfect, and probably won't be  ending the economic, racial or generally factional state American society has got itself into, however Trump has already exacerbated all those factors hugely, being pretty much a byproduct of those self same factors himself, so Biden might at least recover some lost ground simply on the basis that he is not Donald Trump .of course, whether Trump leaves even if he loses is another question, indeed Nocturnus' comments about a probable civil war in a previous thread, or at least a huge amount more unrest and violence seem worryingly likely at this stage. Then again, since my lady's voter registration has apparently lapsed, her support of the democratic party is probably as practically useful as mine, hence again why I unfortunately am with  Yeats as I said in post 26.

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

Hearing the mere anarchy of the debate, Trump's general idiocy and Biden's less than calm response to it, my lady today said: "Things fall apart", I replied of course with:"the centre cannot hold." And it's actually quite scary just how correct William Butler Yeats' words are for the current time, then again, they were also written during a massive epidemic, at a point when a government was intent tried to fix an issue of racial hatred and just ended up empowering a bunch of total thugs and exacerbating the hole matter, which lead to decades of hatred and terrorism whose legacy persist to this day, that government being Britain, that country being Northern ireland (and we all know how well things went there).So, my only word on the election will be those of Mr. Yeats: You can Hear a dramatic reading here, or I'll just copy the following textt: The Second ComingTurning and turning in the widening gyreThe falcon cannot hear the falconer;Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhereThe ceremony of innocence is drowned;The best lack all conviction, while the worstAre full of passionate intensity.Surely some revelation is at hand;Surely the Second Coming is at hand.The Second Coming! Hardly are those words outWhen a vast image out of Spiritus MundiTroubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desertA shape with lion body and the head of a man,A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,Is moving its slow thighs, while all about itReel shadows of the indignant desert birds.The darkness drops again; but now I knowThat twenty centuries of stony sleepWere vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

Hearing the mere anarchy of the debate, Trump's general idiocy and Biden's less than stellar response to it, my lady today said: "Things fall apart", I replied of course with:"the centre cannot hold." And it's actually quite scary just how correct William Butler Yeats' words are for the current time, then again, they were also written during a massive epidemic, at a point when a government was intent tried to fix an issue of racial hatred and just ended up empowering a bunch of total thugs and exacerbating the hole matter, which lead to decades of hatred and terrorism whose legacy persist to this day, that government being Britain, that country being Northern ireland (and we all know how well things went there).So, my only word on the election will be those of Mr. Yeats: You can Hear a dramatic reading here, or I'll just copy the following textt: The Second ComingTurning and turning in the widening gyreThe falcon cannot hear the falconer;Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhereThe ceremony of innocence is drowned;The best lack all conviction, while the worstAre full of passionate intensity.Surely some revelation is at hand;Surely the Second Coming is at hand.The Second Coming! Hardly are those words outWhen a vast image out of Spiritus MundiTroubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desertA shape with lion body and the head of a man,A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,Is moving its slow thighs, while all about itReel shadows of the indignant desert birds.The darkness drops again; but now I knowThat twenty centuries of stony sleepWere vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election

Hearing the pure anarchy of the debate, Trump's general idiocy and Biden's less than stellar response to it, my lady today said: "Things fall apart", I replied of course with:"the centre cannot hold." And it's actually quite scary just how correct William Butler Yeats' words are for the current time, then again, they were also written during a massive epidemic, at a point when a government was intent tried to fix an issue of racial hatred and just ended up empowering a bunch of total thugs and exasserbating the hole matter, which lead to decades of hatred and terrorism whose legacy persist to this day, that government being Britain, that country being Northern ireland (and we all know how well things went there).So, my only word on the election will be those of Mr. Yeats: You can Hear a dramatic presentation here, or I'll just copy the following textt: The Second ComingTurning and turning in the widening gyreThe falcon cannot hear the falconer;Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhereThe ceremony of innocence is drowned;The best lack all conviction, while the worstAre full of passionate intensity.Surely some revelation is at hand;Surely the Second Coming is at hand.The Second Coming! Hardly are those words outWhen a vast image out of Spiritus MundiTroubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desertA shape with lion body and the head of a man,A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,Is moving its slow thighs, while all about itReel shadows of the indignant desert birds.The darkness drops again; but now I knowThat twenty centuries of stony sleepWere vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

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Re: Monthly Chat October 2020

Things are sort of crappy right now, since my attempts to get published continue to fail myserably for no discernible reason, and finding an agent who doesn't specify that they want "edgy female voices", or "minorities viewpoints" (you know because I'm apparently not one), is proving next to impossible. Plus of course the US ellection is a cavalcade of fun right now and we're sort of waiting in dread for what will happen next month, plus my lady getting rather exasperated at her family whose attitude basically is still "trump=republican=good", and nothing else makes any difference, needless to say this makes even looking at the news a bit depressing at the moment. btw, I know there's a massive long thread discussing the ellection, but at the moment I just meant in terms of it contributing to things being all sorts of crappy, which I'm guessing would probably be true for those on either side of the line right now. About the only good thing I can say, is that my hand finally seems to be getting better. I actually suspect I probably broke bones in it when I fell, which is why it's taken so long to heal. Hopefully soon I can get back to weight lifting with zombies run. I've continued with the running, but lifting weights with a broken hand would obviously be all sorts of stupid, so I've been missing the lock down workouts.Speaking of lock down,  well never mind, again, suffice it to say the rate's going up in the midlands again, so we're still in full lock down mode here of course, which is really helpful when my lady could probably do with seeing a doctor, but hay, that's just how it is.I'm also starting game of thrones season 6, which is proving a major disappointment at the moment (beware, here come the spoiling spoilers of spoilery spoiling).what with John Snow just sort of coming back from the dead for no reason, sansa stark's character turning into warrior princess  at the drop of a hat, and above all, poor Asha and shaggy dog dying for absolutely no reason at all other than shock value, indeed since when did Great John Umber's son turn out to be such an arse hole?It also seems so many character motivation is getting just sidestepped, EG Davos seems really not bothered about his King being dead, and since when did Davos get on board the "john snow is awesome" train.Obviously, all the point of this is just to have Ramsy snow vs John snow, but really, it seems at the moment motivations are simply getting written to be simplified, like Jaime lanister suddenly just retconning all his character development with Brienne and going back to being Circie's nice little laptdog. Suffice it to say, I can see why people got annoyed with the series when they ran out of Martin's books, and unfortunately I suspect this descent is just going to continue.So yeah, October is pretty crappy all around really.

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Re: Urgent advice needed!

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Re: Urgent advice needed!

Is braille %100 necessary for all of your books. for those in history and other arts subjects wherre you don't need specifically tabulated layout, you might want to look at getting either digital, or audio copies instead, since odds are those would be easier to obtain for either yourself, or the school.

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Re: What's the name of the online voting system for disabled people (USA)?

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Re: What's the name of the online voting system for disabled people (USA)?

Ah, this is not good to hear. My lady was going to see if she could submit a vote from another country, as indeed many ex pat Americans here do, however if the system is inaccessible whilst in America, goodness knows what it is like for someone living outside.

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Re: Moving to Twitter for game releases

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Re: Moving to Twitter for game releases

Well since I don't have twitter myself or much intention to get it, it will be fairly hard to know about what games are released. A shame since I rather liked the idea of adding tunmi13's games to the db when they were ready, and they had a lot of promise, and knowing when new releases happen is sort of what the new releases room is for, especially for developers who don't have a website to make announcements on. I'll certainly be glad to try any new releases from tunmi13 if I hear about them, it's just a shame the operative word in that sentence is "if."

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

I'm afraid Wing of iturnity, that blog article I find down right incorrect as regards Robert Jordan, since saying Jordan is in any sense similar to Tolkien, is like saying chilly con cani is like beef Stroganov. Both are stews with beef and often served with rice, both you eat with a spoon, however every single other element is absolutely different. Jordan did begin consciously with the fantasy quest opening, and has a fair few nods to Tolkien in the text (such as the inn called the nine rings, and the trollocks), however any resemblance to Tolkien's structure or world building pretty much goes out of the window by the second book.There is a lot of derivative fantasy out there, either consciously or accidently, but WoT certainly isn't that, and for my thoughts on derivative fantasy, see the above link I posted to my article on formulae.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@wing of eternity, I'm no expert on the starwars extended universe, but I have heard the idea that the dark and light sides are not as blatantly good or evil. However, the problem is those who expound this theory tend to be people like darth sidius who are usually tempting others to do evil things or use the dark side more anyway, rather the way that a psychopath might espouse nihilism to justify their actions, and in the films themselves, even when people start out with good intentions using the dark side, as Anakin did in attempting to save the lives of his wife and daughter, this unquestionably goes wrong. WoT's power is %100 different on this point, indeed throughout the series you see good and evil channelers of both types, albeit fewer male channellers over all due to the taint, and some pretty unpleasant things done with both Saidar and Saidin.I actually remember applauding the first time I saw one of the female forsaken turn up and be bloody scary with Saidar, since as I said, I fully expected Jordan to make the power levels and capabilities between the two halves of the power unequal, and was pleased when he didn't.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, as regards WoT, I'd suggest starting with eye of the world and only reading new spring around book 5 or so. It's well worth reading, indeed it was reading new spring in the legends collection that first got my lady into the series, but it isn't the easiest place to start, plus Jordan was fairly good at introducing the world slowly. As I said in This article, the problem I find in formulaeic writing is predictability killing story tension. If you know  that a certain character is always safe because they are a main character, or that the good guys are going to get out of a situation because they're the good guys, then tension has gone out of the window. Eddings, even though he was writing very much in the standard good guys heroes journey mold, did have a very nice habit of having character who did not necessarily know they were going to get out of a given situation, so you could empathise with what they were feeling in that situation. while Even though conan basically is a massive succeedinator who wins at everything, Robert E Howard had a gift for language and poetry that shines through (Indeed I love several of his poems), though in Conan particularly, the rants about women needing to be submissive and obedient (along with the amount of slave girls), and about how white people are  unquestionably superior, do make me wince a lot, since the books are unquestionably preachy, and what they are preaching in places is an extremely repellent mindset, albeit one with a historical context (the books are nearly 100 years old after all). this is why, though I've read the odd individual conan story, I can't take too many of them at once, and much prefer to stick to Howard's poetry.Eddings tended to avoid as much preaching in his main series even if he did have certain assumptions about men and women that grate on occasion, though in certain of his prequal novels (especially Polgara the sorceress), the times when we're openly told about the big dumb brutish men being overseen by the strident cunning little women, it did get a bit urcsome. Then again with any author, modern ones included, I'd much rather read a good story than just get an opinion preached to me, and much rather have complex 3 dimensional characters than cardboard props for the author's opinions.As to Pern, well McCaffery is very hit and miss, when she's on she's on, when she's off she isn't. I'm doing a slow reread of her dragon riders series putting the reviews on fantasybookreview.co.uk. I tend to find ironically that those books which are character focused, like the harper hall trilogy, tend to be much more fun than those which try to be political stories, like the main series. McCaffery also  suffer rather badly from a kind of idealism found to a lesser extent in authors like Mercedes lackey, where you hear about someone doing something bad, the good guys get together, and the person doing the bad thing is just politically talked out of it before you actually see the bad thing happen, or likewise, on the rare occasions you see something bad happen to someone, well usually they go and tell the authorities who are unquestionably good, and someone puts a stop to it. it's actually sort of refreshing, MCCaffery has problems like mismanagement, abuse of power and bullying dealt with in the way that we would hope they could be dealt with in reality, rather than what actually happens . This unfortunately makes a lot of her books less than tense to read, and means she's generally better when dealing with individual character experiences, hence why the harper hall trilogy, which are basically just the story of one girl's attempts to be accepted as a musician in the heavily sexist hidebound medieval culture of pern, actually work far better than when she's trying to show political plots or power plays. As to the immortality question, mostly I've seen that occur in science fiction or urban fantasy rather than in epic WoT style fantasy myself, although it's a question even Tolkien deals with with the elves.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, as regards WoT, I'd suggest starting with eye of the world and only reading new spring around book 5 or so. It's well worth reading, indeed it was reading new spring in the legends collection that first got my lady into the series, but it isn't the easiest place to start, plus Jordan was fairly good at introducing the world slowly. As I said in This article, the problem I find in formulaeic writing is predictability killing story tension. If you know  that a certain character is always safe because they are a main character, or that the good guys are going to get out of a situation because they're the good guys, then tension has gone out of the window. Eddings, even though he was writing very much in the standard good guys heroes journey mold, did have a very nice habit of having character who did not necessarily know they were going to get out of a given situation, so you could empathise with what they were feeling in that situation. while Even though conan basically is a massive succeedinator who wins at everything, Robert E Howard had a gift for language and poetry that shines through (Indeed I love several of his poems), though in Conan particularly, the rants about women needing to be submissive and obedient (along with the amount of slave girls), and about how white people are better at everything, do make me wince a fair amount since the books are unquestionably preachy, and what they are preaching in places is a fairly repellent mindset, albeit one with a historical context (the books are nearly 100 years old after all).Eddings tended to avoid as much preaching in his main series even if he did have certain assumptions about men and women that grate on occasion, though in certain of his prequal novels (especially Polgara the sorceress), the times when we're openly told about the big dumb brutish men being overseen by the strident cunning little women, it did get a bit urcsome. Then again with any author, modern ones included, I'd much rather read a good story than just get an opinion preached to me, and much rather have complex 3 dimensional characters than cardboard props for the author's opinions.As to Pern, well McCaffery is very hit and miss, when she's on she's on, when she's off she isn't. I'm doing a slow reread of her dragon riders series putting the reviews on fantasybookreview.co.uk. I tend to find ironically that those books which are character focused, like the harper hall trilogy, tend to be much more fun than those which try to be political stories, like the main series. McCaffery also  suffer rather badly from a kind of idealism found to a lesser extent in authors like Mercedes lackey, where you hear about someone doing something bad, the good guys get together, and the person doing the bad thing is just politically talked out of it before you actually see the bad thing happen, or likewise, on the rare occasions you see something bad happen to someone, well usually they go and tell the authorities who are unquestionably good, and someone puts a stop to it. it's actually sort of refreshing, MCCaffery has problems like mismanagement, abuse of power and bullying dealt with in the way that we would hope they could be dealt with in reality, rather than what actually happens . This unfortunately makes a lot of her books less than tense to read, and means she's generally better when dealing with individual character experiences, hence why the harper hall trilogy, which are basically just the story of one girl's attempts to be accepted as a musician in the heavily sexist hidebound medieval culture of pern, actually work far better than when she's trying to show political plots or power plays. As to the immortality question, mostly I've seen that occur in science fiction or urban fantasy rather than in epic WoT style fantasy myself, although it's a question even Tolkien deals with with the elves.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@khomus, as regards WoT, I'd suggest starting with eye of the world and only reading new spring around book 5 or so. It's well worth reading, indeed it was reading new spring in the legends collection that first got my lady into the series, but it isn't the easiest place to start, plus Jordan was fairly good at introducing the world slowly. As I said in This article, the problem I find in formulaeic writing is predictability killing story tension. If you know  that a certain character is always safe because they are a main character, or that the good guys are going to get out of a situation because they're the good guys, then tension has gone out of the window. Eddings, even though he was writing very much in the standard good guys heroes journey mold, did have a very nice habit of having character who did not necessarily know they were going to get out of a given situation, so you could empathise with what they were feeling in that situation. while Even though conan basically is a massive succeedinator who wins at everything, Robert E Howard had a gift for language and poetry that shines through (Indeed I love several of his poems), though in Conan particularly, the rants about women needing to be submissive and obedient (along with the amount of slave girls), and about how great white people are do make me wince a lot since the books are unquestionably preachy, and what they are preaching in places is a pretty nasty mindset, albeit one with a historical context.Eddings tended to avoid as much preaching in his main series even if he did have certain assumptions about men and women that grate on occasion, though in certain of his prequal novels (especially Polgara the sorceress), the times when we're openly told about the big dumb brutish men being overseen by the strident cunning little women, it did get a bit urcsome. Then again with any author, modern ones included, I'd much rather read a good story than just get an opinion preached to me, and much rather have complex 3 dimensional characters than cardboard props for the author's opinions.As to Pern, well McCaffery is very hit and miss, when she's on she's on, when she's off she isn't. I'm doing a slow reread of her dragon riders series putting the reviews on fantasybookreview.co.uk. I tend to find ironically that those books which are character focused, like the harper hall trilogy, tend to be much more fun than those which try to be political stories, like the main series. McCaffery also  suffer rather badly from a kind of idealism found to a lesser extent in authors like Mercedes lackey, where you hear about someone doing something bad, the good guys get together, and the person doing the bad thing is just politically talked out of it before you actually see the bad thing happen, or likewise, on the rare occasions you see something bad happen to someone, well usually they go and tell the authorities who are unquestionably good, and someone puts a stop to it. it's actually sort of refreshing, MCCaffery has problems like mismanagement, abuse of power and bullying dealt with in the way that we would hope they could be dealt with in reality, rather than what actually happens . This unfortunately makes a lot of her books less than tense to read, and means she's generally better when dealing with individual character experiences, hence why the harper hall trilogy, which are basically just the story of one girl's attempts to be accepted as a musician in the heavily sexist hidebound medieval culture of pern, actually work far better than when she's trying to show political plots or power plays. As to the immortality question, mostly I've seen that occur in science fiction or urban fantasy rather than in epic WoT style fantasy myself, although it's a question even Tolkien deals with with the elves.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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@khomus, as regards WoT, I'd suggest starting with eye of the world and only reading new spring around book 5 or so. It's well worth reading, indeed it was reading new spring in the legends collection that first got my lady into the series, but it isn't the easiest place to start, plus Jordan was fairly good at introducing the world slowly. As I said in This article, the problem I find in formulaeic writing is predictability killing story tension. If you know  that a certain character is always safe because they are a main character, or that the good guys are going to get out of a situation because they're the good guys, then tension has gone out of the window. Eddings, even though he was writing very much in the standard good guys heroes journey mold, did have a very nice habit of having character who did not necessarily know they were going to get out of a given situation, so you could empathise with what they were feeling, while even though conan basically is a massive succeedinator who wins at everything, Robert E Howard had a gift for language and poetry that shines through (Indeed I love several of his poems), though in Conan particularly, the rants about women needing to be submissive and obedient (along with the amount of slave girls), and about how great white people are do make me wince a lot since the books are unquestionably preachy, and what they are preaching in places is a pretty nasty mindset, albeit one with a historical context.Eddings tended to avoid as much preaching in his main series even if he did have certain assumptions about men and women that grate on occasion, though in certain of his prequal novels (especially Polgara the sorceress), the times when we're openly told about the big dumb brutish men being overseen by the strident cunning little women, it did get a bit urcsome. Then again with any author, modern ones included, I'd much rather read a good story than just get an opinion preached to me, and much rather have complex 3 dimensional characters than cardboard props for the author's opinions.As to Pern, well McCaffery is very hit and miss, when she's on she's on, when she's off she isn't. I'm doing a slow reread of her dragon riders series putting the reviews on fantasybookreview.co.uk. I tend to find ironically that those books which are character focused, like the harper hall trilogy, tend to be much more fun than those which try to be political stories, like the main series. McCaffery also  suffer rather badly from a kind of idealism found to a lesser extent in authors like Mercedes lackey, where you hear about someone doing something bad, the good guys get together, and the person doing the bad thing is just politically talked out of it before you actually see the bad thing happen, or likewise, on the rare occasions you see something bad happen to someone, well usually they go and tell the authorities who are unquestionably good, and someone puts a stop to it. it's actually sort of refreshing, MCCaffery has problems like mismanagement, abuse of power and bullying dealt with in the way that we would hope they could be dealt with in reality, rather than what actually happens . This unfortunately makes a lot of her books less than tense to read, and means she's generally better when dealing with individual character experiences, hence why the harper hall trilogy, which are basically just the story of one girl's attempts to be accepted as a musician in the heavily sexist hidebound medieval culture of pern, actually work far better than when she's trying to show political plots or power plays. As to the immortality question, mostly I've seen that occur in science fiction or urban fantasy rather than in epic WoT style fantasy myself, although it's a question even Tolkien deals with with the elves.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Berenion, I've heard a lot of good things about Stephen Ericson. Fantasybookreview.co.uk list his series as in the top ten fantasy series of all time. I'm always slightly put off by the length of the books, since these days as I said, in a lot of ways I prefer shorter series, but at some point I should just bite the proverbial bullet and give them a go, since I certainly don't mind series that give you a complex world to explore and expect you to catch up later.@Wing of iturnity, nope, the one power is nothing like the force. Neither saidin, nor Saidar, are good or evil. Saidin, the male half of the source was tainted by the dark one, which corrupts men who use it, but this is like water with an oil slick, there's nothing wrong with the water itself, it's the oil slick on the water that makes it wrong to drink. it is correct that Saidin and Saidar work differently, with Saidar requiring women who channel to open themselves to a power and surrender to it, like a flower bud opening to the sun, and men to leap into Saidin like diving into a river of ice and fire and use their strength to fight and control it. Women also tend to be stronger in water and air weeves while men tend to be stronger in earth and fire, though this is not absolute (Egween for example is unusually strong in Earth).I'll confess, this inherent Freudian nature to the universe is something that I do not like in the series, though to Jordan's credit he also shows clearly that the two halves of the source work best when used in collaboration, and also that both Saidin and Saidar can achieve a variety of results, and a woman using Saidar is just as capable of blowing the bejaggers out of things with blasts of lightning or fire, as a man is able to use Saidin to heal, a fact which pleasantly surprised me, since I did assume (wrongly), that WoT would be a series where women all got the fluffy healing magic and men got the big blasty magic.In general, while I don't like the hole Women get power by surrendering, men get power by fighting thing, at the same time, Jordan is too good a writer to let him straight jacket it too much, indeed this is another respect where the One power and the force are %100 different, since the starwars films at least always make it a case of the cool, rational virtuous light side vs the angry emotional hateful dark side. As to the Ais Sidai, they are like the Jedi in as much as they are an unaffiliated politically powerful faction free to do their own thingg who gain their power through their use of what is essentially magic, and who have their own centuries of tradition and underlying assumptions. however, the Ais Sidai are also split into a variety of different coloured Ajas each with their own personality, motivations and goals, indeed a fun game I often play with my lady is to try and guess the Ajas of people we know. My lady as I said, is absolutely the quintessential green, she did have ideas of being a yellow because she liked the idea of healing, but she just doesn't have the spiky yellow personality, something which Jordan got absolutely write, me having met a lot of medics in my time. Actually the only aja I think he got really wrong was the white Aja, since all of the logicians I've met tend to be the complete opposite of cool, rational and above emotions, and are more likely to threaten to come to blows about whether linguistic predicates in sentences are the same as existential properties in an objectless metaphysical system, or whether time has tenses .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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@Berenion, I've heard a lot of good things about Stephen Ericson. Fantasybookreview.co.uk list his series as in the top ten fantasy series of all time. I'm always slightly put off by the length of the books, since these days as I said, in a lot of ways I prefer shorter series, but at some point I should just bite the proverbial bullet and give them a go, since I certainly don't mind series that give you a complex world to explore and expect you to catch up later.@Wing of iturnity, nope, the one power is nothing like the force. Neither saidin, nor Saidar, are good or evil. Saidin, the male half of the source was tainted by the dark one, which corrupts men who use it, but this is like water with an oil slick, there's nothing wrong with the water itself, it's the oil slick on the water that makes it wrong to drink. it is correct that Saidin and Saidar work differently, with Saidar requiring women who channel to open themselves to a power and surrender to it, like a flowerbud opening to the sun, and men to leap into Saidin like diving into a river of ice and fire and use their strength to fight and control it. Women also tend to be stronger in water and air weeves while men tend to be stronger in earth and fire, though this is not absolute (Egween for example is unusually strong in Earth).I'll confess, this inherent Freudian nature to the universe is something that I do not like in the series, though to Jordan's credit he also shows clearly that the two halves of the source work best when used in collaboration, and also that both Saidin and Saidar can achieve a variety of results, and a woman using Saidar is just as capable of blowing the bejaggers out of things with blasts of lightning or fire, as a man is able to use Saidin to heal, a fact which pleasantly surprised me, since I did assume (wrongly), that WoT would be a series where women all got the fluffy healing magic and men got the big blasty magic.In general, while I don't like the hole Women get power by surrendering, men get power by fighting thing, at the same time, Jordan is too good a writer to let him straight jacket it too much, indeed this is another respect where the One power and the force are %100 different, since the starwars films at least always make it a case of the cool, rational virtuous light side vs the angry emotional hateful dark side. As to the Ais Sidai, they are like the Jedi in as much as they are an unaffiliated politically powerful faction free to do their own thingg who gain their power through their use of what is essentially magic, and who have their own centuries of tradition and underlying assumptions. however, the Ais Sidai are also split into a variety of different coloured Ajas each with their own personality, motivations and goals, indeed a fun game I often play with my lady is to try and guess the Ajas of people we know. My lady as I said, is absolutely the quintessential green, she did have ideas of being a yellow because she liked the idea of healing, but she just doesn't have the spiky yellow personality, something which Jordan got absolutely write, me having met a lot of medics in my time. Actually the only aja I think he got really wrong was the white Aja, since all of the logicians I've met tend to be the complete opposite of cool, rational and above emotions, and are more likely to threaten to come to blows about whether linguistic predicates in sentences are the same as existential properties in an objectless metaphysical system, or whether time has tenses .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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@Wing of eternity, short answer, nope, the age of legends and age of heroes are entirely %100 different concepts and are treated differently in their respective seriesIn song of ice and fire, you say for example that thing ex, like the forest children is mysterious or unknown, but these are things we actually see in the series and which might be explained (Martin himself has confirmed that winds of winter will go further north than any other book we've seen so far).in WoT however, the age of legends is literally unknown to most people, there are still devices kicking around that people use with the power, but nobody is sure how they work, indeed it's one major point in the series that while we do see some people from the age of legends, they tend to regard the world around them as a mess of ignorant savages (though admittedly, since they're usually completely evil, this isn't so surprising). The doom of Valeria in song of ice and fire is also not comparable, since westerosi history started after that, where as in WoT the breaking really shattered the world, including making all male channelers I.e not a small part of the entire male population insane! Also, note that another major issue in WoT, is the idea of rebirth, reincarnation and things repeating, which becomes both a theme in the series itself, and it's cosmology, where as Song of ice and fire doesn't tend to be quite that extreme with it's metaphysics, since Martin was more concerned with history, than philosophy, indeed in very early draughts Ice and fire had no magic whatsoever and was essentially an alternative history telling of the wars of the roses with Stark and Lanister replacing York and Lancaster.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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@drums61999, there is a difference of emphasis here I think however. Yes, in WoT you don't really get to see Shara or Seanchan , and obviously the sea folk travel to different lands because; well it's sort of in the name . However, far more of WoT explores what world we do see, with all the various Kingdoms and their politics. This is I think an authorial and stylistic difference between the two series. Martinn, following very much in the footsteps of Robert E Howard, loves the exotic and unknown, so in Game of thrones there is a hole bunch of stuff we're just meant never to know, or which is just meant to tantalise, Ashai, the Shadow lands, everything around the Jade sea such as Yi Ta, Narthos, Sothoris, etc. contrast that list to the very few places like Shara we don't hear about in WoT. Again, I'd say this is just a difference in Emphasis, in WoT, the mystery comes both from the age of legends and all we don't know, and as you said yourself, a lot of the characters, good bad, uggly etc, and how they will react to things. Take the end of the gathering storm, which is one of the most truly fantastic moments I've read in a fantasy series, and yet involves no battle, no attacks, no war, just the main character coming to a more peaceful understanding with himself. @khomus, in WoT, it's not so much a case of lack of happy endings, it's more that you get so many characters who take focus that the story just grinds to a halt, especially with certain plotlines that aren't advancing the main plot, and as I said, characters you really want to exit the series who just don't. Then again, when my lady reread the series recently she actually told me that she found books 6-10 better than she remembered, though admitedly she's a gigantic WoT fan girl as I said .Interestingly enough khomus, my lady will tell you she hates politics, she doesn't care for factions or backstabbing or anything of the sort (another reason she does not like Martin), yet she adores the wheel of time. eye of the world is also a little rougher and slightly different in Empahsis than some of the other books, both because we haven't quite met some major characters and factions (notably the ais Sidai), and because in much of it Jordan was quite consciously doing a nod to Tolkien and the "farm boy leaves home to save the world" sort of architypal fantasy, even though WoT, though on the face of it does actually feature a hero who does grow up on a farm and  is destined to save the world is anything but that. I'd say myself, read the first two books then decide.Oh, but Loyal the Ogier is awesome, again, one of my issues in books 6-10 is how we sort of lost him as a character, or rather, he just sort of gets sent off on a mission and we don't see much of him which was a shame. Though khomus, I can say if you like the Tinkers, those gypsies you mention, yee gods you have some surprises in store if you continue with the series .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@wing of eternity, yes, there are places in WoT you hear about by rumour, however, you get to see far more of the world than in Ice and fire, because Jordan literally deals with most of the known world in the book, especially later in the series when you get into really serious politics.However, one thing to bare in mind is that the emphasis is different. In song of ice and fire, because hystery of noble houses and heraldry is such a concern of that world, we get a lot of that in the books, indeed even the historical books in question such as a world of ice and fire are written in universe to fulfil a love of that history. In WoT, there are no kingdoms that have lasted thousands of years, no noble houses that can trace their lineage back to prehistory, no structures built in the dawn of time, because your literally dealing with a world recovering from an apocalypse so brutal, nobody is even sure how long it's been since the apocalypse happened, indeed this makes the rare occasions you do see things or people from the past really major events.I'll also, say the grimness factor is different, or at least, where Martin almost delights in slaying characters and having everything as brutal as possible with rape and murder and torture as commonplace, Jordan eases off on that aspect somewhat. Not to say that he doesn't sometimes have very bad stuff happen, he certainly does, but we don't tend to lose characters or have as much naked in your face brutality in Jordan, another reason my lady prefers the series to Martin,with whom she has an onrunning love/hate relationship. I will admit in the case of Jordan, while I wouldn't describe his stuff as fluffy or overly nice like lackey's, he does have an annoying tendency whereby characters hang around a bit too long, so where any other self-respecting badguy would slay their minions when said minions fail, in jordan said minions just hang around, fail more, connive a bit, work for different bad guys, get punished, connive some more, and continue to just be annoying as we meet even more characters until you want to say "hay dark one! just kill them already will you!" .This is another reason imho books 6-10 tended to drag a bit too much, since characters whose stories really should have finished tended to stick around way beyond the time they felt useful, while Jordan just tended to pile on even more.

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

I'm less certain I  agree with Camlorn about "english speaking countries" being automatically better for disability, ", my lady's experiences in Germany suggest different, as does what I've heard of Scandinavia. However, I totally agree with Camlorn about travelling being a good idea.Travelling is a good thing to do because it's good to see other places and get an alternative perspective, and if your thinking of trying it on that basis, definitely go for it.On the other hand, assuming that travelling to another country will automatically solve friendship related problems is probably less advisable since it's more likely to end in disappointment.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Taga I can't speak on the witcher as I've not read it yet, but I will agree that if grim dark gets to the point that everyone is so totally dislikeable then there really isn't a point. That is one of the genius bits of Martin and Williams, both have really dark worlds with different factions and people doing horrible stuff on all sides, but also have some characters who are just plane decent.@Wing of Eternity, Wheel of time is less about explaining the world than exploring it. What I mean is there are some things in the world which are, Perrin's ability to talk to wolves is one of those, and something he deals with throughout the hole series, but it's more a matter of Perrin himself trying to come to terms with who and what he is, than for the reader to connect all the dots, not the least because WoT is one series where even the wisest characters never have complete information about the world.You do get some ideas about how it works later on, or at least you meet some people with a more theoretical understanding who can explain it slightly better, but that is not really the focus. it's actually interesting in that way, since WoT is so much about the culture, factions and characters, and though you do get a lot of magic and fantastic elements, they generally serve the plot rather than the other way around. then again, if you think about it this way, if someone wrote the story of a long and complex war happening in the modern day, you probably wouldn't get too much information about the history of fire arms or the development of the internal combustion engine either .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

I keep hearing about the Witcher, the games, books and tv series. I suspect this is going to be again like Harry Potter or the Hunger games where something is so hugely  popular it almost puts me off, and I eventually just have to bight the bullet and try it myself, and probably will then end up liking it . I tend to be a bit more relaxed about description if the description is well written enough, indeed I don't like books that read like essentially narrated film scripts, where you just get bare bones descriptions of the action and character speeches, although some authors definitely take this to extremes of verbiage (I'm looking at you, Stephen Donaldson).@Wing of Eternity, Eye of the world is a good story, but it's not quite as representative of the series as a hole, it's mostly a single quest with a lot of setup and mystery to it, similarly, most of the characters stay together, later on the series becomes less questing and more politics, with far more different factions and people with their own ideas doing their own thing. I have read  a lot of bernard corn well, though haven't read his saxon stories yet. I enjoyed the sharp books, but I think my personal favourite of his series was the warlord chronicles, aka his trilogy dealing with a historical King arthur, the conflicts surrounding Roman Britain and the druidic and christian religion. What is really fascinating in that series particularly, is that he doesn't have overt magic, but there are some passages which approach that way, though whether they just represent the beliefs of the people involved, or pure luck is left up to the reader to decide.

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

While I'm very in to creativity, solo exploration and contemplation myself, and therefore would not disagree with the last two posts, I'm afraid my point in post 12 was a little harsher than that. The plane fact is, that despite all people's talk about acceptance and diversity and what not, with any disability, your always dealing with a perception of difference. Most of society views you as an intrinsically different sort of human being. With blindness (and possibly with deafness, facial diplegia and maybe some other conditions as well), you can intensify that perception ten fold.This isn't to say that it is always like that in every situation, or that there aren't skills you can learn as detailed in this topic, just that for the majority of the time, you will find yourself put into the "weird blind person", box, and there won't be a lot you can do about it, since it's not ultimately you who has the key to that box. It is frustrating as hell, and you will run into it again and again, however myself, I am coming to realise that ultimately since you cannot change other people, you are best off trying to change yourself. for the last three years, I have had no RL friends other than the one I am married to. My previous friends live at a distance and our contact is infrequent, and efforts to find anything resembling people of similar interest and intellect where we are have failed entirely. High school is pretty crappy, but try having your wife diagnosed with cancer, and then spending two hours in the supposed cancer support drop in centre only for have literally no one to speak to you.Then, when you actually raise this to the cancer support charity,  to get invited to an under forties support group they're setting up, only to be kicked out on a technicality after the first meeting with no alternative, (so much for supporting people with cancer).This is why I say just get used to loneliness. As a blind person you will be on your own resources far more than other people, you won't be able to make casual friends or simply fit into social groups, neither will friendship mean as much to others as it does to you, since they always have the opportunity  being accepted elsewhere.Work on cultivating inner resources, coping with emotional problems  alone, get tough, and when you find those few accepting places or that one special person, do anything you can to grab the opportunity with both hands, even if it means extensive travel or a lot of work. sorry if people find this overly pessimistic, but honestly, if I'd realised that there was actually nothing wrong with me, and everything wrong with the way the world works a lot sooner, I'd have been far better putting my time into trying to learn to cope , than into castigating myself.

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

While I'm very in to creativity, solo exploration and contemplation myself, and therefore would not disagree with the last two posts, I'm afraid my point in post 12 was a little harsher than that. The plane fact is, that despite all people's talk about acceptance and diversity and what not with any disability, your always dealing with a perception of difference, that most of society views you as an intrinsically different sort of human being not like others. With blindness (and I believe with deafness), you can intensify that perception ten fold.This isn't to say that it is always like that, or that there aren't skills you can learn as detailed in this topic, just that for the majority of the time, you will find yourself put into the "weird blind person", box, and there won't be a lot you can do about it, since it's not ultimately you who has the key to that box. It is frustrating as hell, and you will run into it again and again, however myself, I am coming to realise that ultimately since you cannot change other people, you are best off trying to change yourself. for the last three years, I have had no RL friends other than the one I am married to. My previous friends live at a distance and our contact is infrequent, and efforts to find anything resembling people of similar interest and intellect where we are have failed entirely. High school is pretty crappy, but try having your wife diagnosed with cancer, and then spending two hours in the supposed cancer support drop in centre only for have literally no one to speak to you.Then, when you actually raise this to the cancer support charity,  to get invited to an under forties support group they're setting up, only to be literally kicked out on a technicality after the first meeting. This is why I say just get used to loneliness. As a blind person you will be on your own resources far more than other people, you won't be able to make casual friends or simply fit into social groups, neither will friendship mean as much to others as it does to you, since they always have the opportunity  being accepted elsewhere.Work on cultivating inner resources, coping alone, get tough, and when you find those few accepting places or that one special person, do anything you can to grab the opportunity with both hands, even if it means extensive travel or a lot of work. sorry if people find this overly pessimistic, but honestly, if I'd realised that there was actually nothing wrong with me, and everything wrong with the way the world works a lot sooner, I'd have been far better putting my time into trying to learn to cope alone, than into castigating myself.

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Re: monthly chat September 2020

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@Dark eagle, that's slightly scary as regards India and Pakistan, and not particularly something I'd heard. Then again, most Indians and Pakistanis I've met have been third or fourth generation English, so how far they've followed the country's politics I don't know. I have finished peace talks. Actually it did get extremely good, albeit the hole Dresden angxt thing and tendency to self flagellate reared it's uggly head once again, though I wish we'd seen more of his daughter maggy. what was really interesting, was the way Butcher ended on a major cliff hanger. While he's done this before, they've still tended to be conclusive cliff hangers, here however, he literaly stops with Dresden going into battle, and a potentially gigantic world changing event on the horizon, indeed I hope Butcher keeps up the tension for the next book and that we're finally going into the end game, as the name checks and summing up of much of the series suggest. I never actually read the two collections of Dresden shorts, side jobs and brief cases, so I will probably do that fairly soon myself.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Targa, have you read shadowmarch by Tad Williams? I didn't like them as much as memory sorrow and thorn, but they were an awesome series nonetheless. Williams is also currently writing a sequel series set in ostin ard a good thousand years later, though I am going to wait until he's finished those, because he does have a habbit of doing one story in bits.@Wing of Eternity, the fact that the third book of WoT is called "the dragon reborn" should tell you something . You will find out more about the dark one and the state of the world, though in WoT it is the character development and factionism which is the main focus, indeed it's sort of interesting that Jordan took such a blatant "everyone vs the dark lord" setup, and then had so many different groups and factions. it's both extremely clever, and (in later books), highly frustrating, along with the mistrust and character development angles. @Firefly, I'll have to check bob Hendi. As regards eddings and brooks, it's true that both are somewhat architypal, however eddings is saved for me by good comic banter and timing, and the fact that his formula is fun at least the once if you know what you're getting, albeit by Althalas he was running out of steam and I've heard his latter books are really not worth reading. Imho The Ellennium  is the best series of his, followd by the Belgariad, followed by their respective sequels., where as Brooks stuff was just a bit too standard to be interesting, plus Brooks, (like Feist), really cannot write good dialogue.Btw, interestingly enough I realise I am forgetting some authors I read more recently who dont'# exactly fall into the epic fantasy mode, but should probably be mentioned here anyway, these are also books I've reviewed, for fantasybookreview.co.uk so Find the reviews here guy Gavril Kay: His fionava tapestry is probably one of the most beautifully written fantasy trilogies I've read, about five graduate students who go into another world. It has rough edges, and I really didn't like the way that in the second and third books, the story of the students got subsumed into arthurian legend (especially one character who goes through a horrific experience, then basically just turns into queen Guinevere), but the series was amazing. Unfortunately, after that Kay sort of moved in to doing alt history fantasy. I read his book last light of the sun, a sort of alternative take on viking legend and was rather disappointed, since the plotting was if anything a bit too "Real life, and real life sucks!" but I've heard really good things about other books of his work. Though he's not an easy writer he is someone I want to read more. Mercedes lackey: At the complete opposite end to Kay, since her stuff really is very fluffy, but has it's nice moments. Again, more books about characters getting on their feet than exploring fantasy kingdom, plus her magic is a bit too convenient, still, the last book of hers, brightly burning I did rather enjoy, ad I am tending to go back to her when I want a comfrot read. alisan Sinclair's darkborn trilogy: A really awesome mix of steampunk, unique magic and almost Jane austin style dialogue, plus one of the most unique worlds I've found. A world where light burns the dark born who must be inside at dawn, and arkness melts the light born. This also means all the darkborn are blind (though she deals with that rather badly). A great, character rich series,really badly let down by a too quick conclusion, indeed the third volume reads almost like a cancelled tv series. A shame, since if the third book was as good as the first two I'd be recommending this as one of the best ever.China Mievil's Veslag series: I'm not sure if you'd call these epic fantasy, since yee gods the world is unique, they're also grim as hell (really this guy could give Martin lessons). However, the writing is some of the most amazing I've seen, especially in the first book perdido street station, indeed I don't give out ten star ratings that often, (lord of the rings and duncton quest are the only other two), but this one earned it.C S Friedman's Coldfire trilogy: Again, another of my lady's favourites. ~These really are an odd series being sort of fantasy mixed with sf. A planet where a local energy field can cause human psychic impulses to create real things, so a planet where magic is literally real. her There are just so many unique ideas in this, for example, how about a monotheistic church who seak to get human science to work by focusing people's belief in a creator god, so that people's random beliefs won't cause gun pouder to ignight at the wrong time or telescopes to suddenly turn into magic mirrors. On a character basis, also imagine basically a buddy road story with a dark sorcerer who feeds on the fear of young women (who my lady has a huge crush on), but who actually has a sense of ethics, and a no nonsense priest who wants nothing  better than to kill him, 

Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

@Targa, have you read shadowmarch by Tad Williams? I didn't like them as much as memory sorrow and thorn, but they were an awesome series nonetheless. Williams is also currently writing a sequel series set in ostin ard a good thousand years later, though I am going to wait until he's finished those, because he does have a habbit of doing one story in bits.@Wing of Eternity, the fact that the third book of WoT is called "the dragon reborn" should tell you something . You will find out more about the dark one and the state of the world, though in WoT it is the character development and factionism which is the main focus, indeed it's sort of interesting that Jordan took such a blatant "everyone vs the dark lord" setup, and then had so many different groups and factions. it's both extremely clever, and (in later books), highly frustrating, along with the mistrust and character development angles. @Firefly, I'll have to check bob Hendi. As regards eddings and brooks, it's true that both are somewhat architypal, however eddings is saved for me by good comic banter and timing, and the fact that his formula is fun at least the once if you know what you're getting, albeit by Althalas he was running out of steam and I've heard his latter books are really not worth reading. Imho The Ellennium  is the best series of his, followd by the Belgariad, followed by their respective sequels., where as Brooks stuff was just a bit too standard to be interesting, plus Brooks, (like Feist), really cannot write good dialogue.Btw, interestingly enough I realise I am forgetting some authors I read more recently who dont'# exactly fall into the epic fantasy mode, but should probably be mentioned here anyway, these are also books I've reviewed, for fantasybookreview.co.uk so Find the reviews here guy Gavril Kay: His fionava tapestry is probably one of the most beautifully written fantasy trilogies I've read, about five graduate students who go into another world. It has rough edges, and I really didn't like the way that in the second and third books, the story of the students got subsumed into arthurian legend (especially one character who goes through a horrific experience, then basically just turns into queen Guinevere), but the series was amazing. Unfortunately, after that Kay sort of moved in to doing alt history fantasy. I read his book last light of the sun, a sort of alternative take on viking legend and was rather disappointed, since the plotting was if anything a bit too "Real life, and real life sucks!" but I've heard really good things about other books of his work. Though he's not an easy writer he is someone I want to read more. Mercedes lackey: At the complete opposite end to Kay, since her stuff really is very fluffy, but has it's nice moments. Again, more books about characters getting on their feet than exploring fantasy kingdom, plus her magic is a bit too convenient, still, the last book of hers, brightly burning I did rather enjoy, ad I am tending to go back to her when I want a comfrot read. alisan Sinclair's darkborn trilogy: A really awesome mix of steampunk, unique magic and almost Jane austin style dialogue, plus one of the most unique worlds I've found. A world where light burns the dark born who must be inside at dawn, and arkness melts the light born. This also means all the darkborn are blind (though she deals with that rather badly). A great, character rich series,really badly let down by a too quick conclusion, indeed the third volume reads almost like a cancelled tv series. A shame, since if the third book was as good as the first two I'd be recommending this as one of the best ever.China Mievil's Veslag series: I'm not sure if you'd call these epic fantasy, since yee gods the world is unique, they're also grim as hell (really this guy could give Martin lessons). However, the writing is some of the most amazing I've seen, especially in the first book perdido street station, indeed I don't give out ten star ratings that often, (lord of the rings and duncton quest are the only other two), but this one earned it.C S Friedman's Coldfire trilogy: Again, another of my lady's favourites. ~These really are an odd series being sort of fantasy mixed with sf. A planet where a local energy field can cause human psychic impulses to create real things, so a planet where magic is literally real. her There are just so many unique ideas in this, for example, how about a monotheistic church who seak to get human science to work by focusing people's belief in a creator god, so that people's random beliefs won't cause gun pouder to ignight at the wrong time or telescopes to suddenly turn into magic mirrors. On a character basis, also imagine basically a buddy road story with a dark sorcerer who feeds on the fear of young women (who my lady has a huge crush on), but who actually has a sense of ethics, and a no nonsense priest who wants nothing  better than to kill him, 

Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

I would agree with others that it gets much better at university, however once you finish university it gets worse again, because that's when those few people you've met who are in your interest/interlect bracket move on to do things like procreate and once more forget you exist, and since most adults (at least in the UK), think blind people don't exist by default, your pretty much back where you started. Bare in mind here, I am speaking as someone who at one point ran the philosophy society, organised major events and was a part of the community, someone whose done stage productions and even been in the Guinness book of records. I have taught myself the art of conversation, I don't engage in blindisms, I know what being accepted looks like, the plane fact is, it just doesn't happen very much. My lady is convinced this is England, she said things were better in other parts of Europe, and I did notice at least the ice breaking part, and getting people to actually recognise I am the same species was a little less difficult when I was  in the states, albeit the options for conversation were far more limited. And all of this of course long before social distancing and covid, indeed, the sort of frightening part about social distancing for my lady and I is that it really has made very little difference to us, given that, unlike apparently most people, we do not find the idea of going into crowded, noisy spaces and imbibing neurotoxins, whilst either yelling incoherently or jiggling around in an uncoordinated fashion to be a worthwhile method of recreation.So I'm afraid at the moment my best advice on loneliness is, get used to it.

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

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Re: Any tips for dealing with lonelyness?

I would agree with others that it gets much better at university, however once you finish university it gets worse again, because that's when those few people you've met who are in your interest/interlect bracket move on to do things like procreate and once more forget you exist, and since most adults (at least in the UK), prefer to think blind people don't exist by default, your pretty much back where you started. Bare in mind here, I am speaking as someone who at one point ran the philosophy society, organised major events and was a part of the community, someone whose done stage productions and even been in the Guinness book of records. I have taught myself the art of conversation, I don't engage in blindisms, I know what being accepted looks like, the plane fact is, it just doesn't happen very much. My lady is convinced this is England, she said things were better in other parts of Europe, and I did notice at least the ice breaking part, and getting people to actually recognise I am the same species was a little less difficult when I was  in the states, albeit the options for conversation were far more limited. And all of this of course long before social distancing and covid, indeed, the sort of frightening part about social distancing for my lady and I is that it really has made very little difference to us, given that, unlike apparently most people, we do not find the idea of going into crowded, noisy spaces and imbibing neurotoxins, whilst either yelling incoherently or jiggling around in an uncoordinated fashion to be a worthwhile method of recreation.So I'm afraid at the moment my best advice on loneliness is, get used to it.

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

Interesting there Oriol. I checked This entry, on the wheel of time  fandom wiki. The part about Spanish translations is well out of date, since it only details the release up to gathering storm, but it is interesting that they split the books. Oddly enough, I'm guessing that mattered less as the series goes on, since another reason the series tended to stall a bit, is that the books became increasingly less coherent singular stories with a defined end point for each book, and more just one larger story split into smaller chunks. it's odd, this sort of split doesn't bother me in trilogies or quadrologies, hobb, sanderson and Williams all do it (indeed Tad williams is famous for it), but in wheel of time, I just was getting plot fatigue towards the end. then again, my lady recently reread the series and stated when you don't actually have to wait as long between books, the lack of a definite climax doesnt' matter as much, or at least she didn't feel that way, though of course corona is making us all learn the art of patience .

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

Wow Oriol 20 books in Spanish? In the English release, the wheel of time is 14 books, plus one prequal novella. My lady absolutely adores the series, has read it three times and is currently doing one of a couple of reread blogs on the internet, I even bought her an Ais Sidai great serpent ring and Aja pendent as aniversary presents, (she is so green aja it's not funny), while I have the Ashaman golden dragon cufflinks myself . Though I am not quite as WoT obsessed as Mrs. Dark I do enjoy the series, albeit I think (as I said in the Terry goodkind thread), that things slowed down severely in books 6-10, lord of Chaos to Crossroads of twilight, mostly due to lots of secondary characters plots being followed, and the plot lines for some primary characters going on too much. There are some things about the series I was less keen on, EG the male and female specific magic, but I was willing to go with for a good story, though I really did not like the way that literally nobody! including married couples can have a straight conversation, and the generalised massive amount of bickering, mistrust, and grown people behaving rather childishly or in a down right arrogant manner. I also found the hole business of rand having three wives a little odd, or rather my lady and I are both convinced Min actually acted far more as Rand's wife, supporting him emotionally, being there for him most of the time, whilst Aviendha was more like his sisterly rival with bennifits, and elayn sort of his random bit on the side (really, though she was a pleasant character, the connection between her and rand seemed weakest), the less said about Fiael and Perrin the better (poor perrin, getting stuck with her), and mat's relationships are, , interesting! on the plus side Lan and Ninaeve are fantastic. Then again if we go through my thoughts, much less my thoughts and my lady's thoughts on even just the major characters we'll be here for a very long time. suffice it to say, good series, had a few things in I didn't like as much, a bit of a mid series slump, and a few assumptions I found a bit werid, but all in all well worth the time, indeed as I've only ever read books 11-14 the once, I probably will reread them at some point. getting on to other fantasy series, I'm a big fan of Tad Williams and George R R Martin. this is one place where my lady and I differ quite a lot, since while she isn't a shrinking violet, she doesn't like things going a bit too grim, and Martin definitely crosses the lines, and indeed Martin takes grim to a bit of an art form. Btw, I'm currently watching through the tv series after reading the books. Both my lady and I are huge fans of Robin Hobb, and have read the entire elderlings saga, all five series, which I can highly recommend, though those are a very different thing, and we also love patric Rothfus. Brandon sanderson is well worth a go, stormlight in particular is fantastically epic. Most of his stuff ranges from quite good to very good, and in a few cases brilliant, and while I'm not someone who thinks him the next thing to god the way many people do, I do enjoy his books quite a lot nonetheless.Jo abacromby is someone I haven't read yet, though I've got his books on my victor stream at the moment.David Eddings is a writer I grew up with, and who I was quite surprised how much fun I still found when I reread some of his a couple of years ago, albeit his books are very much stylised with good good guys, bad bad guys, a world where smighting enemies is fun, and all women are manipulative histrionic screamers. indeed, it is sort of amusing that 14 year old me had a bit of a crush on ce/nedra in the belgariad (though not in the sequel series where she lost all her character development and became annoying), and I've ended up married to a tiny lady who actually does! look like a driad physically, but is about as far from a spoiled princess in character as you could get,  something which, when I reread david Eddings I found quite the relief. David gemmell is someone who I enjoy for his poetry, since few writers I know can make epic war have that melancholy twist, or do the tragically twisted killer the way he can, albeit that since pretty much all of his books have the same ending, small number of good guys besieged by large enimy army, I can only take gemmell in small doses. One author who gets sadly forgotten is pammela bell, who is sort of the robin hobb before robbin hobb, indeed I really need to reread and review hers properly, think heavily character driven fantasy in a very unique world with sorcerers who perform magic by adictive drugs. ursula Leguin's earthsea is always worth a visit, though the series is quite dour and not exactly up beat, plus I much prefer the first three books when she was more focused on the story and less on overt feminist exegesis and undermining her earlier characters.Stephen Donaldson's Thomas covenant series is 

Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

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Re: The wheel of time and other fantasy books

Wow Oriol 20 books in Spanish? In the English release, the wheel of time is 14 books, plus one prequal novella. My lady absolutely adores the series, has read it three times and is currently doing one of a couple of reread blogs on the internet, I even bought her an Ais Sidai great serpent ring and Aja pendent as aniversary presents, (she is so green aja it's not funny), while I have the Ashaman golden dragon cufflinks myself . Though I am not quite as WoT obsessed as Mrs. Dark I do enjoy the series, albeit I think (as I said in the Terry goodkind thread), that things slowed down severely in books 6-10, lord of Chaos to Crossroads of twilight, mostly due to lots of secondary characters plots being followed, and the plot lines for some primary characters going on too much. There are some things about the series I was less keen on, EG the male and female specific magic, but I was willing to go with for a good story, though I really did not like the way that literally nobody! including married couples can have a straight conversation, and the generalised massive amount of bickering, mistrust, and grown people behaving rather childishly or in a down right arrogant manner. I also found the hole business of rand having three wives a little odd, or rather my lady and I are both convinced Min actually acted far more as Rand's wife, supporting him emotionally, being there for him most of the time, whilst Aviendha was more like his sisterly rival with bennifits, and elayn sort of his random bit on the side (really, though she was a pleasant character, the connection between her and rand seemed weakest), the less said about Fiael and Perrin the better (poor perrin, getting stuck with her), and mat's relationships are, , interesting! on the plus side Lan and Ninaeve are fantastic. Then again if we go through my thoughts, much less my thoughts and my lady's thoughts on even just the major characters we'll be here for a very long time. suffice it to say, good series, had a few things in I didn't like as much, a bit of a mid series slump, and a few assumptions I found a bit werid, but all in all well worth the time, indeed as I've only ever read books 11-14 the once, I probably will reread them at some point. getting on to other fantasy series, I'm a big fan of Tad Williams and George R R Martin. this is one place where my lady and I differ quite a lot, since while she isn't a shrinking violet, she doesn't like things going a bit too grim, and Martin definitely crosses the lines, and indeed Martin takes grim to a bit of an art form. Btw, I'm currently watching through the tv series after reading the books. Both my lady and I are huge fans of Robin Hobb, and have read the entire elderlings saga, all five series, which I can highly recommend, though those are a very different thing, and we also love patric Rothfus. Jo abacromby is someone I haven't read yet, though I've got his books on my victor stream at the moment.David Eddings is a writer I grew up with, and who I was quite surprised how much fun I still found when I reread some of his a couple of years ago, albeit his books are very much stylised with good good guys, bad bad guys, a world where smighting enemies is fun, and all women are manipulative histrionic screamers. indeed, it is sort of amusing that 14 year old me had a bit of a crush on ce/nedra in the belgariad (though not in the sequel series where she lost all her character development and became annoying), and I've ended up married to a tiny lady who actually does! look like a driad physically, but is about as far from a spoiled princess in character as you could get,  something which, when I reread david Eddings I found quite the relief. David gemmell is someone who I enjoy for his poetry, since few writers I know can make epic war have that melancholy twist, or do the tragically twisted killer the way he can, albeit that since pretty much all of his books have the same ending, small number of good guys besieged by large enimy army, I can only take gemmell in small doses. One author who gets sadly forgotten is pammela bell, who is sort of the robin hobb before robbin hobb, indeed I really need to reread and review hers properly, think heavily character driven fantasy in a very unique world with sorcerers who perform magic by adictive drugs. ursula Leguin's earthsea is always worth a visit, though the series is quite dour and not exactly up beat, plus I much prefer the first three books when she was more focused on the story and less on overt feminist exegesis and undermining her earlier characters.Stephen Donaldson's Thomas covenant series is good, difficult, poetic and  very long winded, also prone to deus ex plot twists, indeed while I read the first two chronicles, I don't really feel a need to go on to the third, given how extreme his writing was going, and how once again, he seemed to have reached a more definite conclusion.I did recently 

Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

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Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

@Quasar, I did suspect the omen machine had little to do with the previous conflict, though again, as the series had built to a definite ending with the death of Jagan and the destruction of the imperial order, it seemed a bit of overkill, particularly since as I said, things felt as if they were getting repetitive and rather over stated before that point. good to know though that third kingdom picks things up. I admit I am rather tempted to continue the series, partly out of respect for Goodkind, though equally I have so much else new to read at this stage.

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Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

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Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

@Shinobi, not to take away from Terry Goodkind's books, but these days I actually think I am coming to prefer shorter series, trilogies, quadrologies etc especially in fantasy, since I tend to find things get a bit strung out in later books, and even if the series comes to a good conclusion, there is still usually something of a mid series slump where the plot stalls or things get a bit over stated.it happens in Robert Jordan's wheel of time from lord of Chaos to knife of dreams, where there were just too many plots with inconsequential characters and not enough mobility in the main plot, and it happens in sword of truth, though in sword of truth's case, I didn't feel so much that the plot was standing still, rather that Goodkind was trying to repeat or reemphasise plot points from earlier books, as well as making his political and moral theories a lot more blatant, and more obviously fashioning his world and characters to fit those theories.Interestingly enough, I didn't really mind the repeating plot that in several earlier books where one book ends by employing a solution which buggers up the world for the next book, EG wizard's first rule, into stone of tears,  or blood of the fold into temple of the winds, into soul of the fire, since each book did something rather new with the world, it wasn't really until naked empire that things started to feel a bit more over stated for me, though I fully agree that the chainfire trilogy was an awesome story told in three volumes, especially the way it bought together the history of the war wizards, dream walker, slif etc.

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Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

@Shinobi, not to take away from Terry Goodkind's books, but these days I actually think I am coming to prefer shorter series, trilogies, quadrologies etc especially in fantasy, since I tend to find things get a bit strung out in later books, and even if the series comes to a good conclusion, there is still usually something of a mid series slump where the plot stalls or things get a bit over stated.it happens in wheel of time from lord of Chaos to knife of dreams, where there were just too many plots with inconsequential characters and not enough mobility in the main plot, and it happens in sword of truth, though in sword of truth's case, I didn't feel so much that the plot was standing still, rather that Goodkind was trying to repeat or reemphasise plot points from earlier books, as well as making his political and moral theories a lot more blatant, and more obviously fashioning his world and characters to fit those theories.Interestingly enough, I didn't really mind the repeating plot that in several earlier books where one book ends by employing a solution which buggers up the world for the next book, EG wizard's first rule, into stone of tears,  or blood of the fold into temple of the winds, into soul of the fire, since each book did something rather new with the world, it wasn't really until naked empire that things started to feel a bit more over stated for me, though I fully agree that the chainfire trilogy was an awesome story told in three volumes, especially the way it bought together the history of the war wizards, dream walker, slif etc.

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Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

2020-09-21 Thread AudioGames . net ForumOff-topic room : Dark via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: In memorium, Terry goodkind

@Oriol, That scene in Wizard's first rule was obviously specifically shocking to me for  the above reasons. As with many things in Goodkind, I think the torture and brutality went a bit into overdrive as his books got more overt in displaying his political beliefs, especially when the good guys are justifying some pretty extreme actions themselves.Don't get me wrong, the series still had it's nice moments, I loved the final defeat of Jagang in Confessor, how you saw Rachel grow as a character and stand up to Violet,  and the fact so many plot threads came together at the end, however at that point it just felt as if the series had hit a natural end, and I chose to stop before the series completely lost it's chalm.@vablus, it was things like the above vengence you mention in pillars of creator that was why I felt the series was going a bit too far. I've heard friends say the omen machine and first confessor were a bit disappointing, but third kingdom picks things up a bit.Any thoughts?As to the magic system, I reread debt of bones last year when I was reading the legends collection, and while I enjoyed the story, I did have my issues with some of the ways magic works, for example the hole death spell idea, and the business of creating a barrier. Then again, I often got the idea that in Goodkind, the magic was there to serve the characters and the plot rather than the other way around, so some inconsistancies I could just roll with. My biggest problem with the Tv series was how episodic it was, and how little many things that should have had profound effects upon the world actually mattered. The plot with Richard and Denna is dealt with in one episode, but Denna mysteriously comes back later as a revenge villain, the creator actually appears at one stage, and yet it doesn't unbalance the world. I didn't find Richard any the more aggressive in the series particularly, though I did think Darken Rahl was absolutely fantastic as a villain and I liked how much you saw of him. then again, Richard's status as always being right and just hulking out of things was sort of another facet of the books which seemed to go too far as the series went on, which was why the Richard in Temple of the winds could make a coplete arse of himself by having a go at Kahlin, is not the same Richard who, in Naked Empire did not acknowledge that perhaps there might be a middle ground between rolling over and letting your enemies slaughter you and do what they want, and slaying every one of your enemies as brutally and painfully as possible to the last man, woman and child, grinding their bones into dust possibly while they're still living), since clearly enemies are all absolutely and totally evil!Then again, I absolutely love the scene in naked empire when Zed is being forced to identify magical objects and finds a ball his daughter lost as a little girl, so yes, Goodkind still managed to get my emotions even there. Again, Goodkind is a writer I don't think I'll ever feel completely easy with, but I can't deny he's one whose books stayed with me and did give me a lot of awesome moments, albeit a lot of other moments when I want to curse, or argue a lot .

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In memorium, Terry goodkind

2020-09-20 Thread AudioGames . net ForumOff-topic room : Dark via Audiogames-reflector


  


In memorium, Terry goodkind

Here is a copy of an article I've sent off for the fantasybookreview.co.uk blog, which I thought people here might be interested in, given I know several here have read Goodkind's work.“Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. IN memoriam Terry goodkind."On the 17th of September 2020, Author Terry goodkind, well known creator of the sword of truth series, as well as beloved characters such as Richard Rahl, Kahlin and Nicci, passed away at the age of 72.I admit, my relationship with Mr. Goodkind’s work has not been an easy one. I was first recommended Goodkind’s books when I got to university at 20, and (due to sketchy audiobook availability at the time), had trouble getting hold of them. The  only book I could get was fortunately, Wizard’s first rule, and I loved Richard and Kahlin’s quest for the boxes of Ordon , complete with dragons, cute children, barriers of evil and magic spells.Half way through Wizard’s first rule though, something hit me. Richard, was captured by a Mordsith, a magical torturer, and subjected to extreme physical and sexual  abuse in an effort to break his mind and gain control of his magic. I was suddenly shocked, literally and physically shocked, especially when it was revealed that Richard survived this experience due to partitioning his mind, putting part of himself away where the Mordsith’s degradation could not touch him, and even more especially when Richard defeated the Mordsith by the power of forgiveness. Yes, the passage is disturbing, as any description of prolonged torture is disturbing, but I did not realise why it had the profound, mind numbing affect upon me that it did.It wasn’t until 2007, when, rereading wizard’s first rule this time with the rest of the series on hand, I suddenly made the connection. Terry goodkind was here detailing the first description I’d ever read, of a man enduring sexual abuse by a woman! Showing a woman as a sexual predator, and furthermore, detailing Richard’s survival, damage and forgiveness, albeit with a fantasy twist. At the time I was myself going through a severe breakdown, just realising that the experiences I’d had for years as a teenager at the hands of a group of girls were not just ordinary, or even Bullying, but actually qualified as public sexual abuse.Here however, was an author, a respected fantasy author not only aknoleging that yes, women could sexually abuse men, but also detailing that such experiences, even in a dark, extreme and rather overblown fantasy form, could be something a person could recover from.I went on with the series after that, and I didn’t always find them easy. Goodkind’s objectivist philosophy at times felt a little too obtrusive, his characters slightly too self-righteous, and far from trauma and recovery, he seemed to descend into a world of shock horror where every man who wasn’t a main character was a rapist (plus a good few women as well), and where anyone who did not show the fortitude of recovery was just being week. Yet, there was still a solid fantasy world in there, with characters I grew to love (especially reformed Mordsith Kara and grumpy wizard Zed), some amazing moments and a plot that kept me reading right up to book eleven and the defeat of emperor Jagang. I also watched all of the legend of the Seeker Tv series, which provided me with some rollocking good action, (as well as some cursing at the differences from the books), and an awesome and sinister villain in Darken Rahl.In truth, whether I will ever go back to Goodkind, finish his series or reread the books I previously read, I don’t know, since in all honesty much of our philosophy about life, equality and gender seems a little too diametrically opposed.Yet, I cannot forget that it was Goodkind who was the first author to validate my experience, not to mention giving me a fantastic world to explore, while I recovered from that experience, and for that, thank you.Death is a fact of humanity and is a part of the cycle of life itself. Death, in reality, is not the same as not-existing. Death, in truth, is a transformation, or changing, from one being into another, and the transporting, or moving from one realm, (world) into another. We cannot change the natural cycle of life. What we do have power over, however, is how we create the world in which we presently live. Warheart, chapter 52, one of Mr. Goodkind’s sentiments with which I unreservedly agree. May you rest with the good spirits Terry Goodkind.

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Re: monthly chat September 2020

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Re: monthly chat  September 2020

Lol Dark eagle when you said "Caped buffalo" I thought you were talking about a super hero, rather than a super animal, well now at least I've learned something I did not know before . Btw, nice to know there are buffalo in Africa.I've now started peace talks  by Jim Butcher, and actually I'm enjoying it, albeit it's still got the annoying problems that the series has, Dresden's constant complaining, and soap opera confrontations, also now Dresden looking like now getting yet another! destined power, just so he can kick the rear of yet another evil faction. I'm actually a wee bit disappointed, the amount of build up the outsiders have had in the series, and now it turns out Dresden has some anti outsider magic and can just take on thirteen of them in a fight and win? Then again I'm only part way through at the moment (just finished chapter twelve), so maybe things get worse later, we're already getting problems upon problems piled on Dresden's head. I will say as a plus though, it's finally nice to see Dresden's daughter actually behaving like a child with a personality not just something Dresden has to randomlly save, as well as the thing with Murphy actually looking like it's going somewhere, though of course all of that will depend upon how the rest of the book goes. In other news, I've had a slightly bad week, and just to magnify things it looks like corona virus is coming back, or rather that the numbers are rising again, which of course has nothing to do with the government's hole push to get people to eat out and go and buy cars and go to pubs and what not, honest! Bloody morons! Still more lovely lockdown time for Mrs. Dark and I, especially since we have an increase in local cases as well as nationally, then again, at least nothing changes and I still have the zombies to keep me fit .I've been playing incremental adventures and a couple of other games, but I have to say I'm a little disappointed, not much in terms of story or interest other than numbers getting bigger, and not that many new unlocks or mechanics that don't feel like old ones, as compared to say hells night which was bloody awesome and I'd recommend, though on the plus side dead fright looks like it will be fun. I also need to get back to cosmic rage and Erion now my hand has improved as well.

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Re: monthly chat September 2020

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Re: monthly chat  September 2020

Well I just had a rather fun experience. I booted up Amazon (which I have to say has been quite a good friend over the lockdown period), in order to buy some speciality chocolate. Getting to the checkout I suddenly notice two items in my shopping basket instead of one! What! I check the shopping basket to be informed by Amazon that as per my request, Alexa has added a magic llama to my order. Yes, a magic llama! I do not recall requesting a llama, or indeed any sort of domesticated mountain goat, or in fact any goats at all and while I appreciate the fact that Amazon, obviously knowing my liking for magic would attempt to furnish me with a llama specifically imbued with mystical powers, since I did not in fact order any Llamas at all I still had to remove this item. In fairness, the item in my shopping basket turned out to be a book not an actual llama, which is a bit of a relief since I dread to think what sort of fuss a Tibetan goat would have caused at a warehouse in England, much less how they planned to get said Llama through my letterbox (unless that was why it was a magic llama, one with the power to change size at will). What is worse, is though I did manage to successfully remove said item from my amazon order, I could not convince amazon that I had not actually told Alexa I didn't want any mountain goats today! When I clicked on the radio button labeled "alexa got this wrong", I was imediately faced with another dialogue box telling me "Very welll did you want something else! followed by a long page of llama related items. there seemed no way of convincing Amazon that no, I did not in fact want any llamas! magical or otherwise! Luckily as I said, I completed my specialty chocolate order free of Llamas, but I'm more worried that a multinational coorporation seems apparently so desperate to sell me random Asian livestock! I suspect this is all part of a secret plan to make Earth into the planet of the Llamas! .

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