Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible soren wrote:i am not coding games i am coding tools and apps for macThanks for your reply. It's interesting to see an other developer, who does not code games, blame other developers work, in areas which the complainer isn't experienced in.Please, make a difference and show the developers how to do it, instead of just sitting there complaining about other developers hard work. It doesn't help to just complain about it without actually do anything about it. You can make a difference, if you really are that serious a coder. So, please stop complaining, or please make a difference yourself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501095/#p501095 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Sibiac for games. When a developer makes the overlay though, since the last thing we want is a free-pass so devs don't have to do the work themselves. BEyond that, it would need to be a dll that can be bundled with the game along with its overlay and an api for time-sensitive speech. Let's see what Unity comes up with though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501036/#p501036 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible This super awesome news, Ian. I do hope that a lot comes from this. Honestly my dream (and I don't know how to make it a reality), but have an AI program that creates an accessible overlay for screens in mainstream games, sort of like the RetroArch OCR. However, it would be cool if the overlay would know which element you were on and could read each one as you go over it. If the overlay had the text from the underlying code, it could easily intercace it into a screen reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501027/#p501027 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Interestingly enough? I turned VO off when playing crafting kingdom and found it quite a smooth experience. I'm not sure what lag exists beyond trying to use VO alongside it, but VO is not necesssary when playing CK anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501023/#p501023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Ok, Soren, so you haven't coded an engine. And that's ok. But don't self-appoint yourself as someone who knows all about screen-reader integration and what it should be, and we'll be fine.@Hijacker: Unity/Unreal are already aiming towards native hook-ins for accessibility interfaces on platforms, so there's a good chance their editor will also contain screen reader support when this is all said and done, as long as enough people demonstrate to them that this is what is needed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501001/#p501001 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Hijacker wrote:I'm not that amazed yet. Experience shows that when companies say accessibility, they mean things like colour blindness and one-handed controls before really touching screen reader accessibility. But I can be wrong after all and would greatly benefit from such news.PS: First saying that he is developing for the linux staff, now Mac apps... sounds like Soren is unable to decide which cool topic to name next to sound great and knowledgeable...to clarify i am coding linux tools just for me in python and i am coding mac apps in swift URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500945/#p500945 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible I'm not that amazed yet. Experience shows that when companies say accessibility, they mean things like colour blindness and one-handed controls before really touching screen reader accessibility. But I can be wrong after all and would greatly benefit from such news.PS: First saying that he is developing for the linux staff, now Mac apps... sounds like Soren is unable to decide which cool topic to name next to sound great and knowledgeable... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500914/#p500914 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible This is great. Thanks for letting us know at post 1. If it actually happens our game industry will experience a big improvement. If it becomes accessible I'll be definitely moving onto it for my future game developments URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500910/#p500910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible SLJ wrote:Hi.Sounds fantastic. I look forward to see where this goes.@Soren: What games have you actually made, which is not slow like hell? Just wandering since you are a coder, and you blame other games to be slow as hell with a screenreader. I look forward to see you make a difference... i am not coding games i am coding tools and apps for mac URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500902/#p500902 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Hi.Sounds fantastic. I look forward to see where this goes.@Soren: What games have you actually made, which is not slow like hell? Just wandering since you are a coder, and you blame other games to be slow as hell with a screenreader. I look forward to see you make a difference... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500893/#p500893 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible @Soren, you literally cannot make an API that every screen reader will use and make available to games. It is not possible. You can't have VO gestures in games because VO exposes no APIs of its own that make this possible. To do that VO would need to expose an API, and the same would need to be done on Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc. Its not practical. If you truly are a coder you would be able to evaluate the practicality of ideas and realize that this is not possible. It just won't be unless all the developers who make accessibility APIs collaborate on a single, universal API. I don't see that happening any time soon. Plus, its entirely irrelevant to this discussion. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500878/#p500878 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Moderation:Soren, consider this an official caution. You are not being punished, but this is -not the sort of thing we need. What you're talking about is basically negativity for its own sake. Even if you have valid points - and some of them are valid in context - was this the place and time to voice them? I'd say no.You didn't hard break a rule. You just made a nuisance of yourself. Cut it out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500866/#p500866 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
2020-02-12
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible I must really say, this sounds interesting. It would help many desabled people who also want to try such applications for developing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500852/#p500852 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Lol. I'm on Android and am having 0 problems with the Unity screen reader plugin. Not sure if this is something to do with IOS or not. Either way, a few ms of lag isn't going to kill you, it's not like any of these games require mission-critical speech events yet anyway. That being said, Feer does in terms of its sound environment, but there is no time-sensitive speech. But as Ian has said, the code editor accessibility has literally nothing to do with the games themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500827/#p500827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Lol. I'm on Android and am having 0 problems with the Unity screen reader plugin. Not sure if this is something to do with IOS or not. Either way, a few ms of lag isn't going to kill you, it's not like any of these games require mission-critical speech events yet anyway. That being said, Feer does in terms of its sound environment, but there is no time-sensitive speech. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500827/#p500827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible ianhamilton_ wrote:Wow Soren, nice way to derail with negativity.This thread was not about games. It was about the editor itself being made more accessible for disabled developers. And that very much is helping, I'm not really sure what kind of thinking would lead to the idea that it wouldn't be helpful.But as you want to talk games, yes the plugin is a workaround and not ideal, yes Unity need to be tackling it at engine level - and as of their 2019 summer hackathon Unity have now built a prototype of native cross platform screenreader support. I hope that's the answer that you're looking for.if that works cool URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500825/#p500825 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible simba wrote:Lol, he's a BGT coder, that's all.Greetings Moritz. no i am coding in swift or python for linux staff URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500824/#p500824 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
2020-02-12
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Wow Soren, nice way to derail with negativity.This thread was not about games. It was about the editor itself being made more accessible for disabled developers. And that very much is helping, I'm not really sure what kind of thinking would lead to the idea that it wouldn't be helpful.But as you want to talk games, yes the plugin is a workaround and not ideal, yes Unity need to be tackling it at engine level - and as of their 2019 summer hackathon Unity have now built a prototype of native cross platform screenreader support. I hope that's the answer that you're looking for. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500820/#p500820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Wow Soren, nice way to derail with negativity.This thread was not about games. It was about the editor itself being made more accessible for disabled developers. And that very much is helping, I'm not really sure what kind of thinking would lead to the idea that it wouldn't be helpful.But as you want to talk games, yes the plugin is a workaround and not ideal, yes Unity need to be talking it at engine level - and as is the summer just gone Unity have now built a prototype of native cross platform screenreader support. I hope that's the answer that you're looking for. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500820/#p500820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Lol, he's a BGT coder, that's all.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500817/#p500817 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible ok jak i agree on the cross-platform thing i like the ideas of a custom screenreader bud i see that it is slower then the real screenreader if there is a custom screenreader for unity that is as fast as jaws i will look in to this thing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500811/#p500811 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Ok, Soren. You try coding your own engine. Oh, and not having a flexible api for your, quote, real screenreader. See how easy it is to make hte game interface to real vo gestures and shit. Just because you're a coder that codes games doesn't mean you understand the whole of an underlying engine. And you know what, that is ok. You don't have to. You don't have to understand the way Unity works in order to enjoy a good game, or even code your own outside of Unity. What is not ok is this entitled attitude.Crafting Kingdom is slow for you? Fine. Buy a new phone. Notice I did not say iPhone specifically, for if one is too expensive then a Droid is always an option.The fact Unity has a custom screen reader, or any engine for that matter, means that games are easier to make cross-platform accessibility for. A good example lies within Xbox, as it contains a built-in speech api. How many games actually use it? Next to none, notwithstanding Crackdown3. Why is that? Well, because platform-specific accessibility is not cross-platform accessibility, and cross-platform anything is efficiency. If you can have the same commands and more or less the same speech subsystem on all platforms, then you can spend more time coding the game rather than having to code an interface to each screen reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500805/#p500805 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible nidza07 wrote:You are not realistic, you are saying things which make very little sense. So what if there is a custom screen reader? Is it any slower? No it's not. Like 80 percent of audio games on Windows use customm made menus and not your real screen reader as you put it. look at crafting kingdom it is slow as hell URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500802/#p500802 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible You are not realistic, you are saying things which make very little sense. So what if there is a custom screen reader? Is it any slower? No it's not. Like 80 percent of audio games on Windows use customm made menus and not your real screen reader as you put it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500800/#p500800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible at 8 no i am just realistic sorry if i am offending someone URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500798/#p500798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible @5, patience please, patience.@1 I can't wait to see where this is heading. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500797/#p500797 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible no i am just realistic sorry if i am offending someone URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500798/#p500798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible i am a coder and i really don't know why are you so excited about this URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500796/#p500796 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Post 5 further showcases it. It's just argument for the sake of arguing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500794/#p500794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Hi.post 2 just showes that this person doesn't understand the hole affair, keep quiet.I quite like this where it's going and that they concentrate on multiple disabilitys there.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500793/#p500793 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible This really is a great step forward. I'm no dev, but I have played a few games made BVI accessible in Unity; obviously Crafting Kingdom comes to mind right off the top of my head. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500785/#p500785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible jack wrote:Soren wrote:that is not helping bicause the compiled things aren't accessibleHahhahahahahahaha! Examples:1. Audio Wizards on all 3 platforms? Check.2. Crafting Kingdom? Check.3. Feer? That too.4. Galactic Colonies, definitely being worked on.5. The Freaking screen reader plugin for Unity, developed by the same accessibility lead for Crafting Kingdom and Galactic Colonies.This is an exciting development, because unity games already have the possibility to be made accessible, but now the code editor has the potential to become accessible for folks with disabilities, including screen-reader users. that isn't what we need we need we need real accessibility with real vo gestures real fast normal screenreader performance and anything the screenreaders have may be that will come may be not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500781/#p500781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible Soren wrote:that is not helping bicause the compiled things aren't accessibleHahhahahahahahaha! Examples:1. Audio Wizards on all 3 platforms? Check.2. Crafting Kingdom? Check.3. Feer? That too.4. Galactic Colonies, definitely being worked on.5. The Freaking screen reader plugin for Unity, developed by the same accessibility lead for Crafting Kingdom and Galactic Colonies.This is an exciting development, because unity games already have the possibility to be made accessible, but now the code editor has the potential to become accessible for folks with disabilities, including screen-reader users. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500774/#p500774 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible @2 It may mean we can build audio games in Unity, or collaborate with sighted game developers. So instead of blind developers being limited to advising sighted developers on how to improve accessibility, we can actually develop and test our own solutions. I'm doing something similar for the Godot game engine, so if anyone were to build an accessible Godot game, I could work alongside them to quickly make it more accessible. This is an exciting development. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500770/#p500770 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible
Re: Unity working in earnest on making their editor accessible that is not helping bicause the compiled things aren't accessible URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500740/#p500740 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
