Re: Android 11, more than impressive
Re: Android 11, more than impressive I wonder if their is a rom for my moto G stylus to be able to install android 11 on it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587516/#p587516 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Hi.at Jayjay well you're lucky there, samsung will drop VoiceAssistant in android 11 for the new talkback, so you won't have that thing anymore.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587508/#p587508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Android 11, more than impressive
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive do they have a rom for the S8? I’m assuming so if they have one for the seven but I can’t find it anywhere URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587505/#p587505 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Oh hey S7, that is exactly where I am running Android 11 from URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587497/#p587497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Even the joke that is the a50 will get it, but it will be late, very late and this thing doesn't really get roms so what can I do, just wait or grab my dusty, cracked s7 edge and rom that one.Manufacturers send updates late in general, but it is much, much worse for the budget market where with a lot of companies you don't even get them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587496/#p587496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive I was doing a bit of digging around for the budget samsung phones the A51 and A71 might get android 11 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587483/#p587483 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Still sad Samsung is axing Voice Assistant. I just hope Google can keep the ball rolling and not fuck up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587475/#p587475 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Don't forget that it wasn't so long ago when Windows Narrator was an utter piece of shit and it was impossible to independently install Windows without stupid workarounds like talking PE images and answer files. We can sit here all day and say company x should have done x number of things a long time ago. I'm looking at Sony and the PlayStation 5 as a recent example. I agree that we should be celebrating these victories while continuing to urge companies to strive for better. Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon have far more resources than NV Access or Freedom Scientific, hence why I was pissed at Microsoft for so many years.As far as I know, Android 11 has officially been released for the pixel 2 and onward. Other manufacturers will either take forever to port it to their devices or won't do it at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587470/#p587470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Android 11, more than impressive
Re: Android 11, more than impressive Don't forget that it wasn't so long ago when Windows Narrator was an utter piece of shit and it was impossible to independently install Windows without stupid workarounds like talking PE images and answer files. We can sit here all day and say company x should have done x number of things a long time ago. I'm looking at Sony and the PlayStation 5 as a recent example. I agree that we should be celebrating these victories while continuing to urge companies to strive for better. Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon have far more resources than NV Access or Freedom Scientific, hence why I was pissed at Microsoft for so many years. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587470/#p587470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Android 11, more than impressive
Re: Android 11, more than impressive Don't forget that it wasn't so long ago when Windows Narrator was an utter piece of shit and it was impossible to independently install Windows without stupid hackey workarounds like talking PE images and answer files. We can sit here all day and say company x should have done x number of things a long time ago. I'm looking at Sony and the PlayStation 5 as a recent example. I agree that we should be celebrating these victories while continuing to urge companies to strive for better. Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon have far more resources than NV Access or Freedom Scientific, hence why I was pissed at Microsoft for so many years. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587470/#p587470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive does anyone know of any android phones that have gotten the android 11 update from the OEM? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587463/#p587463 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Of course, things worked perfectly, there were just those tiny problems that you could not do anything without sighted help. Install Windows, nope. Setup your Simbian phone, no way, unless you memorize the layout, which I did, but that is something you cannot do when setting up for the first time. So I am curious what those perfectly working things were that now do not work, especially in the smartphone workd.@Aamir I have not faced any loss of speech, but I have not tried rebooting all that often since I used my phone on Android 11 for about a day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587458/#p587458 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Agreeing wholeheartedly with Canlorn here.Moving forward in accessibility is good, but the pace and the actual changes may not be enough. Good does not equal good enough. This is a start. They need to keep going - and indeed, should use this as a springboard to work even harder - to get shit done.I'm a big fan of perspective. Rather than going all fanboy-squee about the newest dribble of accessibility, I'd prefer to take a broader look. Sure, it's a good step, but what else is there?Also had a very 1984 moment from Canlorn's last post, the bit where he mentions how people are amazed that things work now "for the first time ever" when, in fact, they used to work just fine until someone ruined them."Week 23: Because of our war with Eurasia we had to lower chocolate rations to 70 grams per person.Week 24: We won our war with Eastasia! In celebration, we've raised chocolate rations from 50 to 60 grams." URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587394/#p587394 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Stuck on android 9 for now. Sadly they didn't think to port some of those feature to earlier android versions. That mean if you want all those features discussed in this topic, you have to upgrade your device. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587392/#p587392 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive wow this is awesome indeed. is talkback still lags a little though? I am hoping that there is a fix for the webview problem on my phone.hey, improvement is improvement, not sure what's the negativity there, man. I checked on applevis and I can say ios has problem, too. what's the point being that far forward but has a lot of issues? honestly speaking, the most stable IOS that I ever touch is 10, above that, it feels like apple fixing it's accessibility issue while creating a new issue. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587388/#p587388 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive For those wanting info on Scoped Storage, seehttps://blog.mindorks.com/understanding … in-android URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587381/#p587381 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive @nidza I've heard some people are facing Los of speech after rebooting their devices on android11. are you facing the same issue? I did not want to flash my phone, but after reading this topic I'm reconsidering my decision. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587374/#p587374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Well this got me curious, can't wait for my phone to get an android 11 custom rom so I can try all of this, but noone makes roms for a50 that are actually useful, or have TTS built in, even if they have gapps, but that is for another topic.And I agree with Haily here, we could live without the rotor and other stuff, we always had 3rd party sollutions if we actually needed them, I agree, on ios you have a lot of stuff that helps you, but after messing arround with an android for a longer time and getting it exactly how you want, you feel like ios just restricts you.I can say this since I have both a Samsung and an iPhone right now, both on the latest, or almost latest version of their software.Ios takes and guides you, but if you like to tinker with your stuff, you will most likely find a work arround for anything that is in ios and will do it better in some cases.For example I use bsi on my iPhone xr and SBK on my a50 and I can say that even that I like the keyboard on ios, it is very basic and honnestly, it isn't as fast as SBK, a keyboard that wasn't developed in years.I know, yeah, it is 3rd party, but a lot of times I replace the stuff on ios too, music with Spotify, Safary with Brave and what ever else I can actually replace. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587315/#p587315 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Wait, somebody said Mobile speak days were days where everything worked for the most part? Sure thing. You only have to read the Mobile speak manual to find out how many workarounds Code factory had to create purely due to no support of the giant that was Nokia back in the days. I mean, of course if you used your phone only for calls and messages, all was great, but Simbian could do much more especially around the time when IPhones were still inaccessible. Except, Code factory releases an update, makes WhatsApp accessible. WhatsApp releases an update, goodbye accessibility. Simbian's firmware gets updated, goodbye web browsing support for Mobile speak. Here I don't blame CF, they did amazing things for the time, rather saying that it worked well and was great is a huge overstatement.As for this being a basic thing Google did, I am sorry, but that's just wrong. It is basic for iOS users, absolutely, but do you know what are the basic features Google developed? Basics were Talkback in the days of Android 4.0. Yes, the Talkback where you could only explore the screen and had to tap at the exact spot to activate. That's your basic screen reader, which evolved to having proper swiping support, having custom gestures, a braille keyboard built in, and now multy finger gestures. But sure, we can discuss one sentence where I say this is impressive, or we could productively discuss new features and share our feedback. The fact I didn't hear about the improved selector before playing around with it myself kinda shows that the Android community is for some reason, dead. If something significant comes to iOS, you can hear news all over the place. It's not even a lack of users, I know a bunch of people using Android, for some reason info is just all over the place, on some smaller mailing lists and not centralized anywhere. Well, that's all for another topic, but hopefully it will be better one day. Applevis has a list of bugs on their website. Googling accessibility bugs iOS gives you a list of them. That's bad image for Apple, so bugs get resolved. You can't get an up to date list of Talkback bugs, and they do exist. Not only would that be good to pressure Google, it is most benefitial for users in general knowing what to expect. Same goes for the list of new features in each Android release specific to accessibility. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587268/#p587268 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Yeah that's fair, I tend to do that already, but I see what you mean because many just say how thankful they are. I understand that it's because they don't want to put a damper on the mood, but you can say you're happy about it while also acknowledging the fact that it's far overdo and more needs to be done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587257/#p587257 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Something else I feel needs mentioning is the manner in which android is developed. For the most part, you have different divisions, teams if you will, working on it's various different features. This is largely because most android features such as calling, messaging, hell even accessibility, are actually separate apps themselves, hence companies such as samsung who've replaced them all with their alternatives. This isn't apple where everything is quite literally controlled by the same force.Also? The things people such as camlorn define as basic features really, really aren't. Nice to have, but really not necessary for the usage of the phone. We've survived without the rotor, multi finger gestures, intigrated braille screen input, etc for a long time. I'm sure back when you used your simbian phone, or whatever, you would have learnt pretty quickly to work with what it had and deal with its inequities. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587256/#p587256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive @14Positive reinforcement does little to nothing. Negative reinforcement sets us up so that if someone has to take this to court or whatever to get shit done, they can do so without Google or whoever being able to point out the armies of blind people who said it's great because they believed in positive reinforcement, gives reporters something to write about, and generally stops it from turning into it's bad but everyone said it was good so obviously it can't actually be bad territory. But in general negative reinforcement does so little that it's equally not worth it, because we. Don't. Matter.But I don't even want negative reinforcement, I just want neutral reinforcement. Google shouldn't be able to excite a bunch of blind people by doing the minor thing that they should have done a long time ago. I'm happy to be excited for something accessibility by Google or by anyone else for that matter, provided that it's original, isn't something like Docs or GitHub where we've all pointed out problems forever but gotten nowhere, and provided that it's not developed on a ridiculous timeline. You can do innovative things, still.Any excuse we give somewhere like Google to be able to turn into a veneer of "we do great" for the internal echo chamber is going to quickly become their real perception of the situation. If we give up reminding people that there's a problem because positive reinforcement, what actually happens in practice is that the problem stops existing to the people who might do anything about it, unless you're very lucky and someone over there understands the domain well.But also, I'm old enough to remember the days of XP and Mobile Speak. When I first started programming, everything just worked everywhere for the most part. The most inaccessible apps from that era could still be used via the Jaws cursor, and while Mobilespeak had bugs and stuff, it did the job well and pretty efficiently as well. We've lost a sort of universal, efficient, user-first accessibility and redefined accessible from someone might be able to script it to no chance in hell, and instead of people being sad that we lost it, they're super impressed that we took maybe one tiny step closer to having it back as if we'd never had it in the first place to begin with. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587246/#p587246 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Such a damn shame they won't backport the shit that we all want to earlier versions of android, meaning that if you want those sweet... sweet multi-fingered gestures you'll also have to deal with the steaming turd that is scoped storage. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587241/#p587241 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive @CamlornLegislation isn't strong enough because the government doesn't care on a large enough scale, and they are likely the only ones who could get much done aside from possibly some big board of corporations. Therefore, the average consumer uses positive reinforcement, because negative reinforcement doesn't work without power behind it but positive reinforcement from a community in general seems to achieve more. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587239/#p587239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive 10, NVDA, jaws, hell even things such as commentary screen reader on android are all separate projects, that's the thing. In the case of jaws and others, you even have entire companies working on them. Talkback likely only has a small team working on it, + whatever they get from pol requests.There's also the fact that android is a good few years younger than IOS and windows. Saying oh, Voiceover has these features in 2012 is all well and good, except for the fact that android was only just catching on to the mainstream back then. I think they probably had bigger priorities than accessibility. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587231/#p587231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive By Android 11, do you mean a new phone or is it just an update for a Samsung phone? I have a Samsung Galaxy A21 and I'm using Talkback, but I don't know how to upgrade the operating system to 11. Is it in settings, and does it cost money to get Android 11? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587227/#p587227 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive @Post 1, you're making me think, but anyway I might consider an Android phone after 2-3 years or so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587222/#p587222 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive I'm not saying I don't want Android to become better. In fact I would love to use the platform, if only because the devtools are accessible without having to deal with Voiceover on mac. But every time they do something that shouldn't have taken literal years of people begging, everyone apparently decides to go "wow, I'm so impressed with Google". I guess I'm just tired of this movement to give big tech companies a pass. They've got something on the order of literally a million times the resources of any dedicated screen reader company. We should be saying "great, this is a good start, you've met the minimum standard" here, nothing more. They move something like 5 to 10 times slower than NVDA.To be clear a lot of this applies to Apple too. As long as we keep doing the thing where we jump for joy at minor features developed on a timeline that's 5 to 10 times slower than companies that are so small that the big tech companies consider them rounding errors, we're going to continue to get barely anything on these sorts of timelines. It's not just that we aren't holding them to a minimum standard, it's that apparently the minimum standard is so low there basically isn't one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587210/#p587210 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive @Turret precisely, I have that feeling too, because this was the case with almost every accessibility innovation. Samsung was the first to do dark screen, accessibility shortcut, face detection in Camera, so yes, they should also get the praise. This is even the case with some mainstream features, for example Samsung was the first manufacturer to have multy window mode now known as split screen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587204/#p587204 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive @8, I feel like its more of a "Fuck you google, I can do it too", sorta thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587201/#p587201 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Yup. I was impressed as well.I think Samsungs goal with VoiceAssistant was to yell at Google and say, "Hey! This can be done, now do it!" And they seem to have met their goal. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587197/#p587197 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Absolutely, but this can't even be compared if you take the time and read carefully. Samsung's selector had the exact same items as Talkback's navigation, with the addition of dark screen and a couple of useless things like media volume, large cursor and so on. Besides, in Android 11, Samsung is discontinuing their voice assistant in favour of the new Talkback. SO, definitely Samsung inspired, but definitely improved as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587196/#p587196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Huh? I feel like the 2 years I've been using my Samsung I've had some of those features, notably the selector as you called it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587191/#p587191 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Because A, this tiny bit is a lot more, and B, it is more than a viable choice nowadays. I don't know, maybe you don't like when a products suddenly becomes at least 40 percent more efficient to use, but I certainly do. It is impressive simply because it is almost like a complete overhaul of all the standards. That can't mean anything bad.@2 I used Lineage of course. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587188/#p587188 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive I don't mean to rain on the parade, but I'm not sure why them doing the thing they needed to do 5 years ago is supposed to be so impressive? I mean, I'm glad they did it, I'm sure that it makes Android better, sure. Maybe it is actually getting on par with iOS. But why are we supposed to be impressed that they finally cared a tiny bit? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587184/#p587184 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Android 11, more than impressive Can you tell me which rom you've used? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587182/#p587182 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Android 11, more than impressive
Android 11, more than impressive Hello all,there were some talks about Android 11 on here, and my device finally has it using a custom rom. Later tonight, I will record a demo with some of the new features, but first I wanted to talk about some things.In Talkback 9, I expected to get only multy finger gestures. However, this is far from all, and some of the new updates really gave me a big choice between iOS and Android as my next device.First of all, here I will paste the list of multy finger gestures and what they are assigned to by default. Note that first you have to enable them from Talkback's developer settings, though I am assuming that will change in the very near future.2 finger tap, pause feedback. 2 finger double tap, play or pause media. 2 finger triple tap, read from next item. 2 finger double tap and hold, start selection mode. 2 finger swipe up, left, right and down remain for scrolling. 3 finger tap, open local context menu. 3 finger double tap, copy. 3 finger triple tap, paste. 3 finger double tap and hold, cut. 3 finger swipe up, all apps. 3 finger swipe down, open quick settings. 3 finger swipe right, select previous setting. 3 finger swipe right, select next setting. 4 finger tap, pass through next gesture. 4 finger double tap, accessibility button. 4 finger tripple tap, unassigned. 4 finger double tap and hold, accessibility button long press. 4 finger swipe up, home button. 4 finger swipe down, open notifications. 4 finger swipe left, overview button. 4 finger swipe right, back button. As for what else is there? The biggest hit so far for me is the redesigned selector. For those who do not know, in Talkback, selector is the best equivalent to the Voiceover rotor. However, in past Android versions, you first had to enable it, then configure the gestures you want to use, so it wasn't very discoverable unless your device supported fingerprint gestures, since that is how it worked by default. In Android 11, all that changes. The selector now uses swipe up and then down to find next setting, or down and then up to find the previous one, or if you are using multy finger gestures, simple 3 finger swipes to the left and right will do. The best part is however how these settings work. In previous versions, if you wanted to read something character by character, for example, you would have to move selector to navigation, then swipe down to character, and swipe right to read. Now, all of that changes too. All the navigation choices are separate, so you just move selector to characters, then use swipe up and down to read character by character, while you can still swipe right and left to navigate. This was something that should have been done a long time ago, and I am glad it is finally being changed.To conclude, you can finally add many other choices in the selector as well. Previously, you could only change the speech rate, verbosity, audio ducking and navigation. Now, you get characters, words, paragraphs, headings, links, buttons, controls and landmarks as navigation choices. Yes, proper web navigation is finally possible. Not only that, you also get language, yes, changing languages on the fly is also finally easy and fast. You get audio ducking as before, speech rate, verbosity, as well as a quick way to toggle screen dimming, which was now renamed to simply hiding and showing the screen in the selector.Sorry for the post being kind of all over the place, but this is probably the most impressive Talkback update I have seen so far, and I'm definitely looking forward to showing some of these things. It's entirely possible some of these features will be backported to older versions too, though not all, and certainly not multy finger gestures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587181/#p587181 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
