Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-29
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered As for my favorite, hard to choose. My least favorite is easy though, Opal. That one makes me want to reach through the book and, well, I'm sure you can imagine. I don't like self-centered, arrogant, mentally unstable morons, and Opal is all of those things in one bratty little package. I realize these are not nice terms, but they aren't directed at any of you, so unless you're an insane character from the series in question, please disregard. As for Juliet, no spoilers, but I think you would be surprised a little later. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565398/#p565398 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered @Cookie, Niel gaiman is well worth a try, his stuff is fantastic, also I absolutely loved Jo Hill's nos4atu recently, which sort of hovers between horror and magical wimsy and is one of the best books I've read for a considerable time. For me at least, I don't tend to choose books based on which age group they're intended for, I just finished Juliana Baggott's pure trilogy for example, which is deffinately Ya dystopia aappocalypse, though those do definitely boarder on horror and the end to the trilogy was disappointing.Though she's usually classed as Ya or childrens, pretty much anything by Dianna wynn Jones is worth reading. What is interesting in her case is she was very much as you describe, a writer who wanted to write about magic and such, and playful characters, and didn't feel such belonged in books for adults. It's actually a little sad she missed Harry Potter's popularity, since I suspect were she starting her career now, she probably would have expanded things.Another author I can highly recommend is Conny willis. Her stuff is definitely adult sf, however it's just so dam good natured, usually feature no villains and a lot of very nice people running around trying to sort out problems with amazing comedy. even the one ultra serious book she wrote, Doomsday book, about a historian who goes back to medeival England at the time of the black death, has a wonderfully farsical ere in parts, and characters you just like, which indeed makes the tragic bits all the more tragic.I will say, I don't tend to read none fiction, or none speculative fiction as much, since I spent such a long while with my phd having to read books on ethics and disability.I do occasionally vary things, and my lady and I often read stuff together as well. As to the question on Artemis fowll, easy answer. One, the demon magician, absolutely my favourite character of the series, and the character who suggested to me the series was more than cool people doing awesome things, plus I just sympathised with anyone being bullied and pushed around as he is. the one character who mildly irritated me, was Juliette Butler, since at the start she's got some potentially interesting setup, but after being mined wammied (admitedly, rather gently mind wammie), by Holly in the first book, she seemed to just drop out of the series entirely, and any potential for her development got slightly lost, or indeed sidelined into Holly.whether this changes later I don't know, since I could see her picking up more responsability in the series, and maybe shaking up Fowel family traditions a bit. I also rather liked foly, because come on, a paranoid tech obsessed Centaur? What's not to like .In general though I do need to reread the series as I said, since I forgot a lot of details, and as I said, was quite unwell when I first read several entries anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565353/#p565353 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered Just reread the first Artemis Fowl book and was pleasantly surprised.Yes, it's generally for kids. There are some plot holes, and some convenient bits that make the story go faster. But I laughed out loud a couple of times; the author is fairly good at dialogue. Artemis is pretty bad as characters go, and a lot of the other characters are a little bit flat as well, but now that I've reread it critically, I actually don't see this as being much better or worse than the first Harry Potter book. That book is bigger on Harry's sense of wonder, while Artemis is bigger on technology and pacing (seriously, this book is freaking fast). They excel in different areas. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565337/#p565337 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered As long as you know and decided it wasn't for you. I just wanted to make sure you knew such things existed; it would suck for everyone involved if you didn't and didn't decide you liked "adult" books because you were only ever exposed to the boring this-is-my-suburban-household and now the dog is sick and the kids have to get to school idiocy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565320/#p565320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-28
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered My idea, based on everything I had forced down my throat, and a bunch of mistakes, is a bunch of weirdness, confusion, and things I can't follow. Most of what I've seen is just not for me. I do look in different sections of the get books section of whatever provider I'm browsing. I'll read something if it looks interesting. Like I said, most of my reading has drifted toward nonfiction. As for young wizards, I like those too. I'm still looking for 2 books though. That's another series I came back to after a long time. I do like a lot of classics too. I like a lot of mysteries and things too. My previous downloads list is confusing to say the least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565314/#p565314 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered @23See Discworld (pretty much any of them, but Thief of Time is along the lines of the sort of thing you're talking about), Matthew Swift (telephone god/mystical mayor of London/sorcerer vs. the embodied death of cities in the second one), Dresden Files, for some that I can think of offhand that have that sort of balance which are for adults. Also Codex Alera, which is what Jim Butcher comes up with when he's told there's no way to make a book that combines Pokemon and the lost roman legions (he also managed to bring in aliens, because he can be somewhat of an overachiever). For sci-fi, there's Accelerando by Stross, which involves, among many many other things, a character who sells herself into slavery to herself via a shell corporation to get away from an abusive mother and goes and becomes the queen of Jupiter in order to launch a starship to go explore an alien internet router, piloted in part by uplifted lobsters, and that's before Economics 2.0 literally eats the earth.O and of course, everyone should read the last unicorn at some point. It's kind of sad though. But very moving, and also very much along the lines of capturing wonder.I also enjoy YA; for example I reread Young Wizards every few years. So certainly no judgement. But it feels as if your idea of adult books is really skewed toward things like Jane Austin or something, when there's lots of stuff out there that has that sort of YA-ish the world is full of wonder aspect to it, if you go looking. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565262/#p565262 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-28
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered Lol it's not like I'm still reading Magic Tree House or anything. I like from about fifth to 12th grade level stuff mostly. It's that balance of magic and real life that draws me in. I do read some adult stuff, Stephen King and James Patterson mostly. Most of my reading has drifted toward nonfiction these days. You know, I think that's part of the problem a lot of people face. As they get older, they lose that love of things like that. I know the things in books likeke this can't happen, but my imagination does need some exercise. Now back on topic, for those who have read the series in question, do you have a favorite character? If so, who is it? Also, least favorites if you have them. I think I like putting the knowledge I've picked up from my psychology classes to work on some books that were just good stories when I was younger. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565244/#p565244 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered @Cookie, I agree with camlorn, there's no specific reason why adult books, or at least books supposedly intended for adults don't have relatable characters, or for that matter lack of extreme content. Hobb has likable characters, however the problem tends to be that as Hobb herself suffers depression, the characters' general emotional state and what they go through is pretty grim, and does on occasion head into extreme territory, so I'd not recommend hobb to you if your not fancying that sort of thing.I will agree with camlorn about Becky Chambers wayfarers series though, some of the best and most upbeat sf I've read for a long time, albeit her most recent novella I found slightly disappointing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564186/#p564186 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-24
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered Not to mention I have some issues with explicit content URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564181/#p564181 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered there's lots of books with relatable characters, at least in my opinion: Wayfarers, for one, anything by Hobb (though I don't like her for pacing), quite a lot of Discworld, to name a few that come to mind immediately. Highfire as well, given that's what's being discussed. If you can't find books for adults with characters you like and/or can relate to, you're probably just looking in the wrong places. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564152/#p564152 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-24
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered I find the problem with most adult books out there is no relatable characters. It's like authors think grownups don't need to relate to characters, which is totally incorrect. I would rather have relatable characters and get laughed at for what I read than feel an awkward place with all content and no place for empathy with the characters. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564146/#p564146 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered @13Highfire is odd. If I say last living dragon in the world hiding in a swamp in the southeastern U.S., you will come away thinking "yay, world-saving adventure". SO I guess I have to say last living dragon hiding in a swamp in the southeastern U.S. without a world-saving adventure, if I'm going to be completely accurate. It's sort of what would happen if you took one of those books for kids where the plucky hero tames some sort of monster pet who secretly just wants to be loved, asked yourself what that would actually be like, and made it for adults.Colfer always takes a premise and does something unique with it, whatever else you might say about him, and he definitely did that here. I didn't think I was going to like it but I was bored, and then I actually ended up liking it a lot. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564137/#p564137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-24
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered End of the fifth book. It was a time travel thing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564101/#p564101 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered i think the first four books wee quite good. then the series went downhill very quickly. I listened to the fifth one but i skiped all the others except for the eigth one. I kinda want to read the fowl twins. it seems to be a spin-off of the original series. Cant remember when artemis got twins though... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564099/#p564099 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-24
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered I'm forcing myself to stay away from the last three books. Here's the problem though, me staying away from books is about as hard as a magnet staying away from the piece of metal right next to it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564078/#p564078 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-24
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered Don't even get me started on Opal. You don't want to hear what I think. Honestly, Harry Potter never peaked my interest in the slightest. I want at least 1 character I can relate to on some level, and Harry Potter had none of those. Honestly, I like seeing the crazy situations these characters get themselves into, but don't they ever learn anything from, oh, almost getting killed? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564042/#p564042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered Really enjoyed these as a kid. What is high fire about? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564010/#p564010 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered I'd take Colfer over Rowling any day. I tried to reread Harry Potter as an adult, and it was just a complete chore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563994/#p563994 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered @Camlorn, again this is probably where either my reading them with me having the flew, or me not taking them too seriously kicks in. Usually, I'm the first to jump on authors for shallow characters and convenient contrivances in plot, but with Artemis Fowl, I honestly didn't remember much of the plot or characters after finishing them until I got to the lost colony and the demons. I remember lots of cool chases and tech, and Holly and Root's interactions, but if you asked me to mention a significant event involving characters like Opal or the russian Maffia, or basically anyone introduced after the first book up until lost colony I would struggle, though of course how much of this was my flue addled brain I am not sure . Contrast this to Harry potter where I was jumping on later books sentence by sentence and basically reread books 1-3 straight through after finishing them the first time (bok 4 wasn't out then), even though Rowling isn't anymore gifted in description than Colfer and I can see the contrast. Again, since I started writing moderately serious book reviews, this is another reason why i probably ought to get around to redoing, and finishing the series. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563989/#p563989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered I'd be more forgiving of the humans are bastards trope usage except that I can only think of one character outside Artemis's family who is a "good" human. In general, don't read them for the character depth.Also, the sequel series unfortunately skews much, much younger, to the point that I doubt an adult would get much out of it (I certainly didn't, but it's a book, so ymmv).But mostly I aged out of it because there are plot holes for the sake of cool that are just kind of hard to ignore. If you examine literally any of it at more than face value, it falls apart. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563966/#p563966 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered @Cookie, I agree I have a thing about finishing book series as well, though unfortunately with Artemis Fowl, by the time I realised there were more books in the series I'd sort of lost touch with them, and while I enjoyed them as fun with the odd interesting idea, there wasn't quite enough to compulsively get me going back after significant time away.Now that it's a complete story with an ending though, plus if I go in without too many expectations , a reread and reviews by me might be fun. @Camlorn: yep, I do remember them pushing the "humans bad, ecology good", message quite a bit, then again they at least did it with ninja butlers, dwarves with bumbflaps and lots of other cool stuff, where as some material I've read published a bit more recently with that sort of perspective has just been down right dour; albeit for understandable reasons given the global situation. That might be another reason to reread them soonish. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563960/#p563960 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered When I read the first Harry Potter novel, I was pretty disappointed. I thought for many years that if the series was this basic and simplistic, ultimately I was going to get bored with it. I stuck it out, and it resulted in some very pleasurable reading through books 3-7. Rowling, as Dark said, is no stylist, but she does manage to do a lot right in her series, even if it takes a little bit to get there.I found the exact same thing with Artemis Fowl. I wasn't willing to write him off after a single book, but was definitely hoping for better, and I got it.That said, the last Artemis Fowl anything I read was...oh god, five years ago? I really ought to dust off this series at some point and give it another go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563942/#p563942 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered I think me and everyone I know has read and liked these; Colfer is generally a good author. Unfortunately they're easy to age out of and they get a little bit anvilicious with the preserving-the-environment points (well, a lot, really, but for a series I've read multiple times...).he actually did a book for adults recently, Highfire, which was honestly very good. Entirely different from Artemis Fowl and decidedly darker and smaller in scope, but I think of the work I've read of his that's stuck with me, it wins. I'm not sure why though.my only real complaint about him as an author is that his humans are bastards theme gets old, though highfire did drop that some, fortunately. But Artemis Fowl treats mind wiping because evil humans as an entirely black-and-white we have no choice thing, which really just kills depth, that the "criminal" is the good guy and somehow there are no actual good guys in any of it unless they're nonhuman. What else of his YA I've read kind of has the same overtones as well. It's frustrating that he can clearly do depth, but just decides not to for this aspect for no immediately evident reason. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563939/#p563939 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-23
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered If there's one thing I hate, it's not finishing a book series I really enjoy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563919/#p563919 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered @TheEvilChocolateCookie, I'm glad you could enjoy them. I'll check in a few place (RNIB Bookshare, Reading Services, Audible, ETC). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563917/#p563917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-23
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered I have to disagree on the narration. I got the first 3 on CD from a public library, finished 2 and a half, and had to return them. They weren't on overdrive or anything that I could find, and I just managed to find them. Now I want to finish the series. Only I've read 3 books in as many days, and now these characters have invaded my dreams. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563912/#p563912 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Another series I've rediscovered I had an interesting history with this series.Back in 2000, the braille library produced a short book of extracts and mini reviews of titles they'd recently brailled. There were ones for each different genre, from romance, to horror, to crimeWhat was really good though, is that these short books of extracts were very much intended for people who were fans of the genre to begin with. So the fantasy section didn't have any Rowling or Tolkien, since it assumed people would already know those authors.it also had a really weird and quite eclectic collection of extracts, everything from Joanne Harris Chocolat, to Angela Carter's the magic toyshop, to Philip Pulman's his dark materials.One of them was the first chapter of the first Artemis Fowl book. The review played up the resemblance between Artemis fowl and Harry potter, both teenage boys who discover a hidden magical world and gain powers, but noted that Artemis was obviously a criminal master mind, and was not exactly on the side of right all the time. this made me interested to read the books, but unfortunately, when I did then get the first book in braille and read it, it also soured my expectations a little. Rowling is no stylist, but she does feature realistic characters and genuinely well put together action. Artemis fowl on the other hand seemed far quicker and more superficial to me, most of Artemis' "dark side", wasn't all that dark, we didnt' really lose anyone, and the faerie world was more just cool technology and big explosions than a coherent place. I also didn't like the fact that characters were barely described.So I essentially wrote the series off as fun but a bit too light to be worth my time. Come Christmas 2009 though, and there's me with a case of the flue so bad I'm literally having to type every message using a screen reader because I can't speak, and barely able to be coherent. By pure coincidence, the talking book library send me the first Artemis fowl book again, and I decide I might as well get the rest since a description light, action heavy series was what having the flue needed. And I found, that after the first book things change. Firstly we start to lose characters, secondly the series starts to deal with a few really interesting ideas, like real world use of technology, and Third, Artemis himself actually starts to become more than the ever smug, always successful cool boy genius from the first book. there are still the big explosions, cool action sequences, and in all honesty, I have to admit that Butler was just down right cool, but now there seemed to be more going on below the surface. the one that really cemented it for me was the lost colony, since suddenly we have a fascinatingly alien and weird society in the demons, and some genuinely unique ideas for characters and world building. This meant that when I read the time paradox, I was suddenly approaching the series differently. I have not read the last three books, but do intend to go back and do so, since whilst I still tend to think of the series as generally more funn than serious, it has got enough genuinely serious moments to actually engage my attention, as well as a main character who actually isn't quite as invincibly awesome and untouchable as he seemed at the start.Oh and as to the film, I was amused when the dom, a youtube reviewer who compares books to films absolutely slated it in his review, Find that here, it Usually I prefer to see something myself before making up my mind, but in this case, that just sounds like asking for major pain and disappointment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563904/#p563904 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered I had an interesting history with this series.Back in 2000, the braille library produced a short book of extracts and mini reviews of titles they'd recently brailled. There were ones for each different genre, from romance, to horror, to crimeWhat was really good though, is that these short books of extracts were very much intended for people who were fans of the genre to begin with. So the fantasy section didn't have any Rowling or Tolkien, since it assumed people would already know those authors.it also had a really weird and quite eclectic collection of extracts, everything from Joanne Harris Chocolat, to Angela Carter's the magic toyshop, to Philip Pulman's his dark materials.One of them was the first chapter of the first Artemis Fowl book. The review played up the resemblance between Artemis fowl and Harry potter, both teenage boys who discover a hidden magical world and gain powers, but noted that Artemis was obviously a criminal master mind, and was not exactly on the side of right all the time. this made me interested to read the books, but unfortunately, when I did then get the first book in braille and read it, it also soured my expectations a little. Rowling is no stylist, but she does feature realistic characters and genuinely well put together action. Artemis fowl on the other hand seemed far quicker and more superficial to me, most of Artemis' "dark side", wasn't all that dark, we didnt' really lose anyone, and the faerie world was more just cool technology and big explosions than a coherent place. I also didn't like the fact that characters were barely described.So I essentially wrote the series off as fun but a bit too light to be worth my time. Come Christmas 2009 though, and there's me with a case of the flue so bad I'm literally having to type every message using a screen reader because I can't speak, and barely able to be coherent. By pure coincidence, the talking book library send me the first Artemis fowl book again, and I decide I might as well get the rest since a description light, action heavy series was what having the flue needed. And I found, that after the first book things change. Firstly we start to lose characters, secondly the series starts to deal with a few really interesting ideas, like real world use of technology, and Third, Artemis himself actually starts to become more than the ever smug, always successful cool boy genius from the first book. there are still the big explosions, cool action sequences, and in all honesty, I have to admit that Butler was just down right cool, but now there seemed to be more going on below the surface. the one that really cemented it for me was the lost colony, since suddenly we have a fascinatingly alien and weird society in the demons, and some genuinely unique ideas for characters and world building. This meant that when I read the time paradox, I was suddenly approaching the series differently. I have not read the last three books, but do intend to go back and do so, since whilst I still tend to think of the series as generally more funn than serious, it has got enough genuinely serious moments to actually engage my attention, as well as a main character who actually isn't quite as invincibly awesome and untouchable as he seemed at the start. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563904/#p563904 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered I had an interesting history with this series.Back in 2000, the braille library produced a short book of extracts and mini reviews of titles they'd recently brailled. There were ones for each different genre, from romance, to horror, to crimeWhat was really good though, is that these short books of extracts were very much intended for people who were fans of the genre to begin with. So the fantasy section didn't have any Rowling or Tolkien, since it assumed people would already know those authors.it also had a really weird and quite eclectic collection of extracts, everything from Joanne Harris Chocolat, to Angela Carter's the magic toyshop, to Philip Pulman's his dark materials.One of them was the first chapter of the first Artemis Fowl book. The review played up the resemblance between Artemis fowl and Harry potter, both teenage boys who discover a hidden magical world and gain powers, but noted that Artemis was obviously a criminal master mind, and was not exactly on the side of right all the time. this made me interested to read the books, but unfortunately, when I did then get the first book in braille and read it, it also soured my expectations a little. Rowling is no stylist, but she does feature realistic characters and genuinely well put together action. Artemis fowl on the other hand seemed far quicker and more superficial to me, most of Artemis' "dark side", wasn't all that dark, we didnt' really lose anyone, and the faerie world was more just cool technology and big explosions than a coherent place. I also didn't like the fact that characters were barely described.So I essentially wrote the series off as fun but a bit too light to be worth my time. Come Christmas 2009 though, and there's me with a case of the flue so bad I'm literally having to type every message using a screen reader because I can't speak, and barely able to be coherent. By pure coincidence, the talking book library send me the first Artemis fowl book again, and I decide I might as well get the rest since a description light, action heavy series was what having the flue needed. And I found, that after the first book things change. Firstly we start to lose characters, secondly the series starts to deal with a few really interesting ideas, like real world use of technology, and Third, Artemis himself actually starts to become more than the ever smug, always successful cool boy genius from the first book. there are still the big explosions, cool action sequences, and in all honesty, I have to admit that Butler was just down right cool, but now there seemed to be more going on below the surface. the one that really cemented it for me was the lost colony, since suddenly we have a fascinatingly alien and weird society in the demons, and some genuinely unique ideas for characters and world building. This meant that when I read the time paradox, I was suddenly approaching the series differently. I have not read the last three books, but do intend to go back and do so, since whilst I still tend to think of the series as generally more funn than serious, it has got enough genuinely serious moments to actually engage my attention, as well as a main character who actually isn't quite as invincibly awesome and untouchable as he seemed at the start, indeed this might give me a good excuse to do that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563904/#p563904 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another series I've rediscovered
Re: Another series I've rediscovered I got a hold of the first book on CD years ago, and I absolutely *hated* the narration. Perhaps I'll get a hold of an eBook version or give it another go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563891/#p563891 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Another series I've rediscovered
2020-08-23
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Another series I've rediscovered Hello wonderful humans. I just wanted to talk about yet another series of books I started reading years ago. This time, our subject is Artemis Fowl, the books, not the horrible thing Disney calls a movie. Does anyone remember these books? If so, what did you think of them and who is your favorite character? I read two and a half of them years ago, and then forgot about them until Disney got hold of the story. Then, of course, I wanted to finish up the series because I was missing details, which I hate when reading. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563889/#p563889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
