Re: Apple 2 games

Re: Apple 2 games The tms5220 speech chip, the same chip used in the echo cards, had been emulated in Mess (now Mame). Naturally, then, it wasn't long until someone decidd to emulate the Echo speech synthesizer, thus its existence within Mess. It's the same process within Dosbox that gives

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Re: Apple 2 games Does anyone know how whoever created the echo speech emulation was able to get the actual speech from the physical hardware?This impresses me so much because unlike talking dosbox where it's a virtual hardware synth it uses either espaek or nvda as it's speech rather than

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Re: Apple 2 games I had to update one of the roms, when I tried to upgrade my Apple2 from MESS to MAME. I Think it was the disk controller. Besides that you need to tell mame that one of the cards in the slot is the Echo2 speech synth and then I think that's all. It worked fine afterword

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Re: Apple 2 games I think some of the ROMs may have changed format or something, not sure. I'll release an upgraded package sometime, but have been in no real hurry until and unless I get word from on high on whether I can share it here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/502304

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Re: Apple 2 games How do you upgrade this emulator from mess to mame?I'm asking because I saw something in an older topic about mess apple that someone had tryed to upgrade it themselves.Is it something you can do if you already have the mess apple package? URL: https

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Re: Apple 2 games @Zenothrax: Technically, if you ahve diskettes and they're legally distributable, you could send them to someone with Apple 2 hardware that can be then used to image the disks. You could, if you so choose, also write your own games/programs. URL: https

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Re: Apple 2 games I'm curious if there is a way to make various Apple II text adventures playable with the MessApple emulator. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500843/#p500843 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: Apple 2 games If Windows XP is unsupported, then Dos sure as hell is as well. There are commercial packages of Dosbox, commercial retro-games that has Dosbox as their emulation driver, and dos distributions such as Freedos. You are essentially comparing apples to oranges. URL: https

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Re: Apple 2 games @RTT entertainment.I'm totally with you on this one.The dosbox thing especially. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500758/#p500758 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: Apple 2 games Hi. Here’s my opinion. I know the mods haven’t taken an official decision. Why would you not allow the distribution of this emulator when you allow the distribution of the talking version of dos with old games? Yes, you have got official permission, but so has

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Re: Apple 2 games The irony is that if Apple did release an official Apple II/II+/IIe/IIc/IIc+/IIgs emulator, it almost certainly wouldn't be accessible, and even if it was, it wouldn't bring back the old feelings to those of us who used the real hardware. The reason? They almost certainly

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Re: Apple 2 games @Accman Agreed with you on that, and good find re: internet archive stuff. The Internet Archive does operate within legality, so it's quite unlikely that anything you find on there is illegal. Speaking of illegal, I have heard of the sleazy behavior of emulator developers

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Re: Apple 2 games Hi,I've been following this whole topic with great interest and just thought I'd point something out that you might not be aware of. This issue of the legality of Rome, disc images, and all of this stuff is actually null and void. Now, you're probably thinking that I've

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Re: Apple 2 games @25 Distributing or making a program which emulates a certain piece of hardware is not illegal provided it doesn't distribute code that is used in the console hardware. This was established with the Bleem situation around 21 years ago. This was also when the ps1 was still

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Re: Apple 2 games @25 Distributing or making a program which emulates a certain piece of hardware is not illegal provided it doesn't distribute code that is used in the console hardware. This was established with the Bleem situation around 21 years ago. This was also when the ps1 was still

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Re: Apple 2 games Liam wrote:Keep in mind that we allow Retroarch because roms are not distributed with it.The difference between Mess Apple and Retroarch terminology-wise suggests that Retroarch does the same thing as this package, given the fact that the console cores (including console

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Re: Apple 2 games I do have an Email discussion list, but I don't really see how that would help. If I'm ultimately not permitted to post a link to the emulator package, it would seem to me that posting any other way to get the emulator would fall into the same category. Mods, please

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Re: Apple 2 games @jaybirddo you have an e-mail thing we could subscribe to and get the updated emulator in case the mods won't allow it to be posted here? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500496/#p500496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: Apple 2 games @25: That doesn't matter. The ROMs are the real issue here. As far as I know, it's not illegal to distribute a program which can emulate hardware. What is against the letter of the law is distributing the ROMs that make that hardware actually useful. URL: https

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Re: Apple 2 games Yeah, but you're allowing a program that supports roms that for all we know could be illegal URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500483/#p500483 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

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Re: Apple 2 games Keep in mind that we allow Retroarch because roms are not distributed with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500472/#p500472 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman

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Re: Apple 2 games Can I play the games on a Windows computer or a iPad? I wish I had all of them to play now! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500469/#p500469 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi

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Re: Apple 2 games @NevEd: Relax. The mods haven't made an official stance on mess apple yet, so no need to get on the defensive highground just yet. You do raise a good point about rom inclusion being essentially the same thing as Retroarch though. Given that Jaybird is doing damn near

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Re: Apple 2 games I don't see anyone bitching about bios files, which are required in a lot of emulators, and as far as I'm concerned the hardware is no longer in production thus the bios code is more than minimal risk for the manufacturers of the legacy consoles. You can download the PS3

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Re: Apple 2 games I agree. The chances of someone getting their hands on an Apple 2 unit are slim to none, and you also have to consider the fact that they may not have space.And to the ones who are all over RetroArch that are upset about the Apple 2, you can't be getting mad. It's

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Re: Apple 2 games So in order to "abide" the "LAW" I am expected to find a rare ass machine from 1977, back when they were a goddamn upstart, that is most definitely the furthest thing from Tim Cook's mind, and decrypt/dump the ROMs myself, and is a &quo

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Re: Apple 2 games Oh. And so that means that if you did decide to update it, then you couldn't talk about it here on the forum? Would there still be a way to access the updated version? And someone who posted the topic link in Post 2 ended up bringing me to a DB link that I have added

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Re: Apple 2 games The talking software was for the most part not made by Apple, except for some utilities that were made by Apple, then modified by other companies such as APH to be compatible with Textalker. The software comes on floppy disks which have been imaged, and I have permission

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Re: Apple 2 games Exactly. It can't be that important if Apple hasn't touched it in years. I mean come on. And those accessible things like Talking Disk. Were they even made by Apple? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500281/#p500281 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: Apple 2 games @Jaybird Good point. I mean enhanced Aple IIE in the original post, and the Apple I was probably one of the last ones left given it was at an extremely high initial bid. It was never made accessible and probably never could be based on technicality alone, given the fact

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Re: Apple 2 games Sorry to sound like a bit of a dick, but I don't understand why there is such contention over 30+ year old code for software that isn't even distributed by the companies involved, at all. Not even on a small scale. No one should be losing sleep over playing games

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Re: Apple 2 games Believe it or not, Apple Computer, Inc. which created the Apple I, II, II+, IIe, IIc, IIc+ and IIgs, is the very same company (now called Apple, Inc.) that makes Macs, iPhones, iPads, iPods, and all the other nifty Apple gadgets we know in the modern world.A slight

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Re: Apple 2 games @RWBeardjr: Um, lol! Apple incorporated. This is historic stuff here.You never...purchased...roms for the machine. Technically the act of romming and distribution goes against copyright since a machine was reverse-engineered to produe the rom. Again though you miss

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Re: Apple 2 games @RWBeardjar: Um, lol! Apple incorporated. This is historic stuff here.You never...purchased...roms for the machine. Technically the act of romming and distribution goes against copyright since a machine was reverse-engineered to produe the rom. Again though you miss

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Re: Apple 2 games Ok, but still. There is probably no way to buy the roms anyway, because I highly doubt the companies that made these things still exist URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500239/#p500239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: Apple 2 games Also: Jaybird did not have a problem with it, he was reporting this topic to bring it to the mod's attention. He created this package, so he does have a conflict to contend with as to whether or not he can update this thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500237

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Re: Apple 2 games @RWBeardjar Few things here to clear the air, especially as Retroarch accessibility has brought this issue into a new perspective.Liam has used emulators on stream. But there were never public discussions as to where to get the roms. Due ot the legal grayarea

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Re: Apple 2 games Ok. So if you don't have a problem with it, why is the topic being reported? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500234/#p500234 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman

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Re: Apple 2 games Yeah, he was using my Messapple emulator package. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500211/#p500211 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Apple 2 games Liam, didn't you play a couple of those games on your channel a couple years ago? You were using an emulator. Right? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500196/#p500196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Apple 2 games Going to bring this up on staff list. I know there's an interest in playing these, but I'm fairly certain the redistribution of the apple 2E bios goes against copyright. Again. I'm not coming down on anyone, but we're gonna talk it over and see where that stands. URL

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Re: Apple 2 games Lol someone else beat me to it! Still bringing this topic to the mods' attention. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500086/#p500086 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: Apple 2 games Back in 2013 I created a package called MessApple which lets you play many old Apple games. It really, really needs to be updated though. The problem is, given the recent attitudes about copyright around here (which I'm not fighting, by the way, the staff has to do what

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Re: Apple 2 games Hi, this topic should give you what you're looking for. if the link doesn't work anymore, let me know and I'll post a new one. https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/3184 … ess-apple/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500082/#p500082 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing

Apple 2 games

Apple 2 games Hello.Is there a way to emulate an Apple 2 with TextTalker so I can mess around with some of those games? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/52/#p52 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin