Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Yeah...Trump's twitter might be gone, but it's still very easy to find a lot of incendiary, inflammatory stuff he said. Including that video you claimed got cancelled.Please believe me on this. We, generally, are not in the habit of destroying evidence that justifies our position on Donald Trump, or anyone else who supported him. Kind of doesn't make any sense. If you really want an exemplary demonstration of Trump's complicity in the whole January 6 thing, just for starters, you can very easily dig up the impeachment hearings on YouTube. They're still there...very long, and boring to watch, but it's all right there in black and white. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620086/#p620086 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? For the record, the video of trump telling protesters to go home was never taken down, as evidenced at the end of this post. Though I'm sure you new this. You just needed something else to fuel your... What should I call it? Not an argument because there’s not enough of substance with in it, as it’s all based off of emotion which with out moderation causes so many unsubstantiated impressions. Anyway, It doesn't really matter what he said in this moment. His claims fueled these people in their delusions, and a few of them died because of it. Because of the things which Trump so eagerly propagated in his need for attention, and power. Trump supporters aren't monsters, they're victim's of bullshit. https://youtu.be/2AeI6Mv0ALg URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620079/#p620079 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? For the record, the video of trump telling protesters to go home was never taken down, as evidenced at the end of this post. Though I'm sure you new this. You just needed something else to fuel your... What should I call it? Not an argument because there’s not enough of substance with in it, It’s all based off of emotion which causes so many unsubstantiated impressions. Anyway, It doesn't really matter what he said in this moment. His claims fueled these people in their delusions, and a few of them died because of it. Because of bullshit which Trump so eagerly propagated in his need for attention, and power.https://youtu.be/2AeI6Mv0ALg URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620079/#p620079 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? For the record, the video of trump telling protesters to go home was never taken down, as evidenced at the end of this post. Though I'm sure you new this. You just needed something else to fuel your... What should I call it? Not an argument because there’s not enough of substance with in it. Anyway, It doesn't really matter what he said in this moment. His claims fueled these people in their delusions, and people died because of it. Because of bullshit which Trump so eagerly propagated.https://youtu.be/2AeI6Mv0ALg URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620079/#p620079 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? For the record, the video of trump telling protesters to go home was never taken down, as evidenced at the end of this post. Though I'm sure you new this. You just needed something else to fuel your post. But it doesn't really matter what he said at this point. His claims fueled these people in their delusions, and people died because of it. Because of bullshit which Trump so eagerly propagated.https://youtu.be/2AeI6Mv0ALg URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620079/#p620079 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? For the record, the video of trump telling the protesters to go home was never taken down, as evidenced below.https://youtu.be/2AeI6Mv0ALg URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620079/#p620079 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? ok a couple points. Jayde you summed up the demolition of the bullshit arguments on masks, election fraud, and covid.But as for Biden, is he not doing enough? Absolutely! he should've had federal mask, and social distancing policy to block rogue republican states from doing what Texas did. And what Texas did is just a distraction to distract from how badly the state government fucked up with deregulating the power grid to hell, and having people stuck with no water, power and then thousands of dollars of bills. And, opening everything up won't work to achieve emunity. This is actually really detremental because as more people get infected, the virus will mutate more, and destroy emunity of those already infected. This could last a very long time. See history of the black death and how long that lasted. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620069/#p620069 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? ok a couple points. Jayde you summed up the demolition of the bullshit arguments on masks, election fraud, and covid.But as for Biden, is he not doing enough? Absolutely! he should've had federal mask, and social distancing policy to block rogue republican states from doing what Texas did. And what Texas did is just a distraction to distract from how badly the state government fucked up with deregulating the power grid to hell, and having people stuck with no water, power and then thousands of dollars of bills. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620069/#p620069 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Yeah, that post was near racist/zenofobic imo URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620063/#p620063 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? "Illegal aliens." I haven't heard that term since the 1980s. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620059/#p620059 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Also wanna point out real quick that yes, I support a full investigation into Andrew Cuomo, and full accountability when the extent of his complicity is determined. If he's actually done even half of what is being claimed - and I have reason to believe that he has - then he should be fired immediately and permanently.This is mostly just to stop someone trying to cut in behind me while playing stupid what-aboutism games. Now you can't say "But what about Andrew Cuomo?". Sorry, already took it off the table. Of course, someone might try to scrape up some more left scandals, but bear one thing in mind if you do this. Every time you bring up a scandal on the left without addressing anything in my prior posts, you are arguing in bad faith. Two wrongs do not make right. Because right here and now, we aren't talking about scandals on the left; we're talking about Trump, Covid-19, and the GOP at large. That's the focus. Every attempt you try and make to turn away scrutiny is just deflection; nothing more, nothing less.And for what it's worth, I really, really hope my assessment of your character is dead wrong, Chris. I'm about 97% sure that I'm right about you, but this is one of those cases where I'd dearly love to be mistaken. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620050/#p620050 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1126, really good post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620046/#p620046 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1125, the republican party is also known as the "Grand Old Party", or GOP. And @1124, yeah, I didn't miss that either. Like I said, I just love how particular people of the GOP -- like Chris -- love to ignore reality when it suits them. And they'll ignore whatever part of reality they like, even if they *know* its wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620044/#p620044 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? A few key take-aways, Chris:1. You addressed virtually none of my concerns or criticisms. Here's the big one: thousands of experts say that the election was legit. You say it's not. Why should I believe you? Who the hell do you think you are? What are the credentials you cite which permit you to override the informed opinion of thousands of well-educated individuals who know far more than we do about the inner workings of a federal election? Pro-tip: "I believe it in my heart" doesn't count. "Biden couldn't have won" doesn't count. "It was rigged" doesn't count. "They told me it was rigged" doesn't count. You have to do far better than that if you want to be taken seriously.2. Your focus on the word "illegal alien" is very telling. Apparently you're a borderline racist too. The only people who go out of their way to use that sort of language in discourse like this are trying to prove how much they think immigrants are a threat. You and I have the privilege of living in well-developed countries, where we can reasonably expect not to be shot, bombed or otherwise turned into casualties of war. Many asylum-seekers are fleeing their country because of abject poverty and poor living conditions - conditions which, I might add, often came about as a direct or indirect result of U.S. foreign policy - but sure, call them aliens if you think that language does anything but display your bigotry. Let me know how that works for you.Fun turnaround, while we're on the subject of border crossings: when Texas's power grid failed, Ted Cruise, facing difficult conditions at home, and flouting health guidelines not to travel to foreign countries, went to the Ritz Carlton in Cancun, Mexico. He blamed it on his kids, claimed he was going to come back the very next day when we know from his ticket reservation that this was a lie, then sorta half-heartedly apologized. So let me rephrase. When things got tough in his home country, Cruise crossed the border to stay in a country where conditions were far better. Does this sound familiar? Should a United States senator flee his own state, during a pandemic and a state-wide emergency, because the grass was greener in Cancun? I'd love to hear your justifications for that, largely because I will find it amusing to watch you twist yourself into a pretzel trying to make this okay. Remember what I said about AOC and O'Rourke in my last message, too, while you're at it.3. Pursuant to asylum seekers, I have this source:https://www.statesman.com/story/news/po … 388546001/I'm sorry, but what was that you were saying about Biden letting infected people into the country without screening? Remember that I'm more than willing to go find a source to back up what I say. If your only source is hard-line right-wing media, you're going to lose this every single time. Badly.I hear the Fox and Friends kool-aid has become especially toxic lately, so maybe you should stop drinking it.Also, just to really slam a nail into this coffin for good:Until you are willing to come straight out and disavow the Trump administration's punitive use of filthy cages to punish the children of immigrants, anything you say about immigration is tainted and can be pretty easily dismissed. Over six hundred children were ripped away from their parents or caregivers, and the Trump administration had no idea how to reunite them. I will admit that I think there needs to be massive immigration reform, and I think Biden's plan for this is too slow...but then again, I'm a progressive, and he's not. Never let it be said that I agree with everything Biden says or does. Are you equally willing to call out Trump's deplorable use of cages to separate innocent children from their parents as a punitive measure?4. Okay, let's talk about riots. First of all, I can point you to dozens of times where the left has called out violence perpetuated by their own kind. I can also point you to moments where I have done the same thing. While I can understand and sympathize with the reasons why some people have gotten angry enough to engage in property damage, and while I don't put as much importance on breaking a window of a local business as, say, storming the nation's capital (for hopefully obvious reasons), I don't think violence is the answer, and it saddens me whenever and wherever it happens, no matter who is at fault. Loud protest? Sure. Do that all you like; it's your right to protest. But when things turn violent, something has gone wrong.In other words, I'm willing to call out people who turned to violence, regardless of where they stand. I'm also willing to call out people who support policies and then don't actually follow them, regardless of their affiliation. Now, Chris, here's your chance to do the same. It's your chance to redeem yourself a little, by stating that the violence on January 6th, performed by overzealous Trump supporters, was unequivocally wrong and should not have
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1125, the republican party is also known as the "Grand Old Party", or GOP. And @1124, yeah, I didn't miss that either. Like I said, I just love how particular people of the GOP -- like Chris -- love to ignore reality when it suits them. And they'll ignore whatever part of reality they like, even if they *know* its wrong. Of course, those same people are the people who insult others who disagree with them, and then they have the audacity to claim that they're right. S I really shouldn't be surprised, now should I? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620044/#p620044 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? A few key take-aways, Chris:1. You addressed virtually none of my concerns or criticisms. Here's the big one: thousands of experts say that the election was legit. You say it's not. Why should I believe you? Who the hell do you think you are? What are the credentials you cite which permit you to override the informed opinion of thousands of well-educated individuals who know far more than we do about the inner workings of a federal election? Pro-tip: "I believe it in my heart" doesn't count. "Biden couldn't have won" doesn't count. "It was rigged" doesn't count. "They told me it was rigged" doesn't count. You have to do far better than that if you want to be taken seriously.2. Your focus on the word "illegal alien" is very telling. Apparently you're a borderline racist too. The only people who go out of their way to use that sort of language in discourse like this are trying to prove how much they think immigrants are a threat. You and I have the privilege of living in well-developed countries, where we can reasonably expect not to be shot, bombed or otherwise turned into casualties of war. Many asylum-seekers are fleeing their country because of abject poverty and poor living conditions - conditions which, I might add, often came about as a direct or indirect result of U.S. foreign policy - but sure, call them aliens if you think that language does anything but display your bigotry. Let me know how that works for you.Fun turnaround, while we're on the subject of border crossings: when Texas's power grid failed, Ted Cruise, facing difficult conditions at home, and flouting health guidelines not to travel to foreign countries, went to the Ritz Carlton in Cancun, Mexico. He blamed it on his kids, claimed he was going to come back the very next day when we know from his ticket reservation that this was a lie, then sorta half-heartedly apologized. So let me rephrase. When things got tough in his home country, Cruise crossed the border to stay in a country where conditions were far better. Does this sound familiar? Should a United States senator flee his own state, during a pandemic and a state-wide emergency, because the grass was greener in Cancun? I'd love to hear your justifications for that, largely because I will find it amusing to watch you twist yourself into a pretzel trying to make this okay. Remember what I said about AOC and O'Rourke in my last message, too, while you're at it.3. Pursuant to asylum seekers, I have this source:https://www.statesman.com/story/news/po … 388546001/I'm sorry, but what was that you were saying about Biden letting infected people into the country without screening? Remember that I'm more than willing to go find a source to back up what I say. If your only source is hard-line right-wing media, you're going to lose this every single time. Badly.I hear the Fox and Friends kool-aid has become especially toxic lately, so maybe you should stop drinking it.Also, just to really slam a nail into this coffin for good:Until you are willing to come straight out and disavow the Trump administration's punitive use of filthy cages to punish the children of immigrants, anything you say about immigration is tainted and can be pretty easily dismissed. Over six hundred children were ripped away from their parents or caregivers, and the Trump administration had no idea how to reunite them. I will admit that I think there needs to be massive immigration reform, and I think Biden's plan for this is too slow...but then again, I'm a progressive, and he's not. Never let it be said that I agree with everything Biden says or does. Are you equally willing to call out Trump's deplorable use of cages to separate innocent children from their parents as a punitive measure?4. Okay, let's talk about riots. First of all, I can point you to dozens of times where the left has called out violence perpetuated by their own kind. I can also point you to moments where I have done the same thing. While I can understand and sympathize with the reasons why some people have gotten angry enough to engage in property damage, and while I don't put as much importance on breaking a window of a local business as, say, storming the nation's capital (for hopefully obvious reasons), I don't think violence is the answer, and it saddens me whenever and wherever it happens, no matter who is at fault. Loud protest? Sure. Do that all you like; it's your right to protest. But when things turn violent, something has gone wrong.In other words, I'm willing to call out people who turned to violence, regardless of where they stand. I'm also willing to call out people who support policies and then don't actually follow them, regardless of their affiliation. Now, Chris, here's your chance to do the same. It's your chance to redeem yourself a little, by stating that the violence on January 6th, performed by overzealous Trump supporters, was unequivocally wrong and should not have
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-03-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @Ethin: What do you mean by GOP? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620030/#p620030 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Uh, @21, are you saying minorities aren't Americans? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620027/#p620027 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1121, you seriously don't think global warming is real? Seriously?! How can you be so ignorant?Seriously, dude, your literally ignoring science now. Science tells us, through countless scientific studies -- not done by any political group but by experts in the field -- that global warming is real and does exist. Granted, global warming is just a part of nature and its a cycle that Earth will keep going through, but we are actively contributing to it. We are making it far, far worse than it normally would be. I suppose you'll next say that HIV or AIDS isn't real, too? Or that QAnon is 100-percent accurate and that its really not a bunch of delusional people with way too much time on their hands? God, it seems like people like you will use literally any excuse and justification to self-justify your actions. Its utterly disgusting. And I thought Trump was bad...No, the left won't budge, because we know we're right. We listen to science, we listen to common sense, we listen to facts. That's not something I've seen the GOP do for years. No, the GOP is quite happy to create its own custom reality where onnly what it says is real and everything else doesn't exist. Sorry, but that's not how the real world works. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620022/#p620022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-03-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : mechaSkyGuardian via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @chris its sad, I thought you were smart. But it seems that you are like the rest of these delusional trumpies. And i thought you were reasonable... Apparently not URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620019/#p620019 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I know exactly why Accman gave up. You and every other leftist will never budge. You've all swallowed the lies that Trump and his supporters are horrible totalitarian monsters, global warming is real, protests are okay as long as they're not white people participating, etc, etc, etc. Why is the wonderful Biden releasing illegal aliens who test positive for the extremely dangerous virus into Texas without quarantining them? Why is it okay for BLM to riot and loot without wearing masks? Everyone has to wear a mask, right? Oh wait, that's just Americans. Illegal aliens and other minorities can do whatever they want, damn the consequences. hypocrisy and projection, that's all it is.That capitol protest wasn't meant to be violent, but are you shocked that the left would use this opportunity to fuel Trump Derangement Syndrome even more? Did you miss the video that Trump released telling people to go home in peace? Oh wait, I'm pretty sure it was taken down because that's not the image the left wants to show. They say this is a terrorist attack? What about all the riots which did far more damage that were ultimately ignored? Come on, man! Oh hell, what's the point anymore? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620018/#p620018 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I know exactly why Accman gave up. You and every other leftist will never budge. You've all swallowed the lies that Trump and his supporters are horrible totalitarian monsters, global warming is real, protests are okay as long as they're not white people participating, etc, etc, etc. Why is the wonderful Biden releasing illegal aliens who test positive for the extremely dangerous virus into Texas without quarantining them? Why is it okay for BLM to riot and loot without wearing masks? Everyone has to wear a mask, right? Oh wait, that's just Americans. Illegal aliens and other minorities can do whatever they want, damn the consequences. hypocrisy and projection, that's all it is.That capitol protest wasn't meant to be violent, but are you shocked that the left would use this opportunity to fuel Trump Derangement Syndrome even more? Did you miss the video that Trump released telling people to go home in peace? Oh wait, I'm pretty sure it was taken down because that's not the image the left wants to show. They say this is a terrorist attack? What about all the riots that were ignored? Come on, man! Oh hell, what's the point anymore? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620018/#p620018 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @119. who cares? Keep out and nobody would really care. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619980/#p619980 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I won't speak on this issue. I want to keep away myself from any debate. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619973/#p619973 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Chris, you need to remember that there are people like me in the world who will absolutely call you on your bullshit, so here goes.1. Biden has actually used his power to ensure that there will be enough vaccine doses to give all American adults their vaccine by the end of May. This is up two months from early projections, which had it being promised by the end of July. It's important to note that president Biden is not specifically responsible for the research that made the vaccines possible, nor for their direct creation; it's taking the hard work of thousands of people to make this happen. However, he is using the tools at his disposal to ensure that resources are available, and this is the result. And one of the reasons it's even taking this long? The ex-inciter-in-chief was doing virtually nothing to help out everyday Americans. It has been repeatedly said and demonstrated that Biden inherited a colossal mess because of Trump's fuckery. In other words, suggesting that Biden is doing nothing is patently false...like, provably, measurably false. Did you also forget the mask mandate on federal property? Did you forget the additional spending he has invoked, as Trump should have, to up the creation of PPE? Did you forget the huge stimulus package that's currently sitting in the senate...you know, the one that promises billions in aid to states experiencing problems, not to mention stimulus checks for those who need them? Look, I'm not an enormous Biden fan, and he's already done things I'm not super thrilled about. But he's inherited an enormous dumpster fire, and it looks like he's handling most of the flaming wreckage pretty well. Seriously, if you're gonna criticize the dude, at least do it with facts. Trust me, you do not want to throw stones on this; I'm willing and able to argue you straight into the ground because I, unlike you, have done my research and know what I'm talking about. I've already destroyed at least one right-winger right here on the forum, and I'm ready to do it again.2. You're still a fan of the big lie, I see. Bet you were wishing you could've been there with a weapon on the 6th too, eh? Maybe hunt down a few radical liberal socialist communist leftists and bash their skulls in, because clearly they oppose your lord and saviour, and thus must be disposed of. Look, here's the dirt. Your guy lost. Sixty-plus times in the courts, including a couple of SCOTUS rulings. By seven million votes in the popular count, by a landslide in the electoral college. Dozens of court cases failed to find fraud. Dozens of rulings, even from people on the right, failed to find impropriety in the election...except, of course, the sort of impropriety that has you bullying state officials to "find" precisely the amount of votes it would take to win Georgia. Guess you forgot about that, but that's okay, because I'm here to remind you. . Most of the intelligence community say that this was the fairest, most secure election in history. But republicans lost the presidency, and ultimately the senate, and all you can do is scream about how Biden is illegitimate? This is straight-up insanity. And if you're currently either outraged at my assertion of your support for the attempted coup on the 6th, or are thinking I'm out of my mind for making assumptions about you with no proof, guess what? You are playing straight into my expectations. I didn't say what I said above because I truly believe you're a violent person who wants to kill people; I did it to prove a point. If you object to me characterizing you this way without solid proof, congratulations. You should be doing so, because what I did was make an accusation of huge potential wrongdoing based on circumstantial evidence. If you're a believer in avoiding hypocrisy though, Chris, this is where I point out that you're doing the exact same thing to your current president. You think you know better than thousands of legal experts, politicians, security experts, intelligence experts, and eighty-one million Americans. Who the fuck do you even think you are? Do you have knowledge the rest of us don't have in order to continue spewing these sorts of baseless attacks? I, at least, used prior behaviour from you to inform my guesswork; what the hell is your excuse?When the only people who are saying the election was rigged were to one degree or another responsible for trying to rig it, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and works against you more effectively than I ever could.3. Wait, hold up. You're claiming that the left wants you to stay afraid, but who, exactly, is it that's talking about maybe having to wear masks for three hundred years? Who, exactly, is trying to convince you that you'll never, ever be able to convene with friends and family ever again? Who, exactly, is it who's talking about being shot for not wearing a mask? Who, exactly, is it that is taking every possible excuse to hyperbolize the
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Chris, you need to remember that there are people like me in the world who will absolutely call you on your bullshit, so here goes.1. Biden has actually used his power to ensure that there will be enough vaccine doses to give all American adults their vaccine by the end of May. This is up two months from early projections, which had it being promised by the end of July. It's important to note that president Biden is not specifically responsible for the research that made the vaccines possible, nor for their direct creation; it's taking the hard work of thousands of people to make this happen. However, he is using the tools at his disposal to ensure that resources are available, and this is the result. And one of the reasons it's even taking this long? The ex-inciter-in-chief was doing virtually nothing to help out everyday Americans. It has been repeatedly said and demonstrated that Biden inherited a colossal mess because of Trump's fuckery. In other words, suggesting that Biden is doing nothing is patently false...like, provably, measurably false. Did you also forget the mask mandate on federal property? Did you forget the additional spending he has invoked, as Trump should have, to up the creation of PPE? Did you forget the huge stimulus package that's currently sitting in the senate...you know, the one that promises billions in aid to states experiencing problems, not to mention stimulus checks for those who need them? Look, I'm not an enormous Biden fan, and he's already done things I'm not super thrilled about. But he's inherited an enormous dumpster fire, and it looks like he's handling most of the flaming wreckage pretty well. Seriously, if you're gonna criticize the dude, at least do it with facts. Trust me, you do not want to throw stones on this; I'm willing and able to argue you straight into the ground because I, unlike you, have done my research and know what I'm talking about.2. You're still a fan of the big lie, I see. Bet you were wishing you could've been there with a weapon on the 6th too, eh? Maybe hunt down a few radical leftists and bash their skulls in, because clearly they oppose your lord and saviour, and thus must be disposed of. Look, here's the dirt. Your guy lost. Sixty-plus times in the courts, including a couple of SCOTUS rulings. By seven million votes in the popular count, by a landslide in the electoral college. Dozens of court cases failed to find fraud. Dozens of rulings, even from people on the right, failed to find impropriety in the election. Most of the intelligence community say that this was the fairest, most secure election in history. But republicans lost the presidency, and ultimately the senate, and all you can do is scream about how Biden is illegitimate? This is straight-up insanity. And if you're currently either outraged at my assertion of your support for the attempted coup on the 6th, or are thinking I'm out of my mind for making assumptions about you with no proof, guess what? You are playing straight into my expectations. If you object to me characterizing you this way without solid proof, congratulations. You should be doing so, because what I did was make an accusation of huge potential wrongdoing based on circumstantial evidence. If you're a believer in avoiding hypocrisy though, Chris, this is where I point out that you're doing the exact same thing to your current president. You think you know better than thousands of legal experts, politicians, security experts, intelligence experts, and eighty-one million Americans. Who the fuck do you even think you are? Do you have knowledge the rest of us don't have in order to continue spewing these sorts of baseless attacks? I, at least, used prior behaviour from you to inform my guesswork; what the hell is your excuse?When the only people who are saying the election was rigged were to one degree or another responsible for trying to rig it, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and works against you more effectively than I ever could.3. You say that we should only isolate the sick. If people were only contagious after showing symptoms, this might work. But we know that you can be an asymptomatic carrier, or could be contagious for days before showing symptoms. This is why Covid-19 cautions are preventive, not reactive. And this is also why you have absolutely zero future in the field of virology, immunobiology or anything dealing with hard science. If this simple fact is beyond you, then it's really not worth arguing with you further, because you'll go on believing whatever suits your narrative no matter how much hard evidence that is provided to you. For you, it's about being free, not about being right. It's about owning the libs, not about owning the truth. Good luck with that in the months and years to come.And okay, now that that's out of the way:Turtlepower, multiple masks will work better than one mask, but even one will significantly lower your
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent I mean perfectly functioning president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague! Aaaa! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves!Is the Corona Virus the beginning of the end of freedom? Absolutely! If people allow this nonsense to continue, what else will they allow the government to do? It's already been established that you can't say there was election fraud, which is by very definition what a totalitarian government would do. How long will it be before people are shot on sight for not wearing a mask? How long will it be before they say you can't go anywhere if you don't have the vaccine? I wouldn't mind that personally. As I said, I don't go very many places at all. As Mr. perfectly healthy and absolutely not a criminal would say, "Come on, man!" URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent I mean perfectly functioning president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague! Aaaa! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves!Is the Corona Virus the beginning of the end of freedom? Absolutely! If people allow this nonsense to continue, what else will they allow the government to do? It's already been established that you can't say there was election fraud, which is by very definition what a totalitarian government would do. How long will it be before people are shot on sight for not wearing a mask? Come on! How long will it be before they say you can't go anywhere if you don't have the vaccine? I wouldn't mind that personally. As I said, I don't go very many places at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent I mean perfectly functioning president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague! Aaaa! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves!Is the Corona Virus the beginning of the end of freedom? Absolutely! If people allow this nonsense to continue, what else will they allow the government to do? It's already been established that you can't say there was election fraud, which is by very definition what a totalitarian government would do. How long will it be before people are shot on sight for not wearing a mask? Come on! How long will it be before they say you can't go anywhere if you don't have the vaccine? I wouldn't mind that personally as I said, I don't go very many places at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent I mean perfectly functioning president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague! Aaaa! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves!Is the Corona Virus the beginning of the end of freedom? Absolutely! If people allow this nonsense to continue, what else will they allow the government to do? It's already been established that you can't say there was election fraud, which is by very definition what a totalitarian government would do. How long will it be before people are shot on sight for not wearing a mask? Come on! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent I mean perfectly functioning president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague, ! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves!Is the Corona Virus the beginning of the end of freedom? Absolutely! If people allow this nonsense to continue, what else will they allow the government to do? It's already been established that you can't say there was election fraud, which is by very definition what a totalitarian government would do. How long will it be before people are shot on sight for not wearing a mask? Come on! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague, ! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves!Is the Corona Virus the beginning of the end of freedom? Absolutely! If people allow this nonsense to continue, what else will they allow the government to do? It's already been established that you can't say there was election fraud, which is by very definition what a totalitarian government would do. How long will it be before people are shot on sight for not wearing a mask? Come on! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague, ! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Our great mentally incompetent president who was absolutely fairly elected and absolutely isn't a criminal has nothing to add to fighting COVID except for the great idea to fight the virus by wearing another mask on top of the first? Huh? The virus will just go through two masks and the carbon dioxide poisoning will continue. I wish people would wake up! This stupidity has been going on for almost a year now. How long is it going to take for enough of the population to say enough is enough? Will it be 5 years? 10? Never? I'm not taking a vaccine either. I'm healthy, and if I do catch the virus, I'll do what normal people do and isolate myself from the public until I'm better. Isolating perfectly healthy people makes no rational sense. We keep the sick away from everyone until they're better. If the virus mutates, it mutates. This is how viruses work.This is why I don't go very many places, especially now. If you're terrified of the virus, wear a mask if you truly think it helps, but don't force everyone else to. If you think I have the virus, stay away from me if you're that terrified. If you're so afraid you'll die, don't go anywhere or hey, why not wear a Hazmat suit. This is as bad as the zombie plague, ! Common sense is not so common and this is what the left loves! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619841/#p619841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I can actually see why trust in masks is starting to go down, since the recommendation is that we now wear two of them because, oopsy, turns out one wasn't doing anything. At least that's how it seems to have been presented. I don't think that will ever become a mandate, but it does make one question whether we've actually been slowing the spread or not, at least in that regard.On the other hand, it does make sense. There is so much variety when it comes to the types of masks people wear, from what the actual hell were you thinking, all the way up to N95's, which obviously aren't and shouldn't be available to the general public. It makes it almost impossible to study efficacy with any semblance of certainty. I don't think masks are hurting anything, and I wouldn't advocate against wearing them, because I could be, and most likely am, wrong. But there's just so many layers of this unfolding in recent times. It's exhausting dealing with people who believe that when they get tested, their negative result isn't real because the tests weren't designed to detect the variants. No amount of yelling, cajoling, or silent treatment will make them see that, if the tests didn't pick up variants...how the fuck do we know they exist in the first place then? That's just one example of bullshit I've had to deal with lately in regards to this.As for things going back to normal, I've heard that the state of Texas has essentially waved a magic wand and said, "go 'head, y'all, do whatever you want." Which is like, I don't even know how to feel about it. Unless they've had an unusually speedy vaccination process, a feat which doesn't seem likely even if you don't take into account the crippling power outages they recently experienced, there's no excuse for that. Yet I also feel like the governor and state officials have more or less made guinea pigs out of its citizens, which is immoral as hell, but also...could it work? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619839/#p619839 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Hmmm, I'm no expert here, but don't we have some form of immunity against it? Both with modern medicine and the general flu vaxcine? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619760/#p619760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? hi. what do you guys have to say on the who worning of return of spanish flue? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/619745/#p619745 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Oh also, about infecting others, even if we go past the fact on how morally and ethically bankrupt it is, the virus is mutating, and it is confirmed that the variant in South Africa infects people who had the original coronavirus infection. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617995/#p617995 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? GCW, I agree with you there. I don't think most credible sources are trying to tell you that wearing masks is the be-all and end-all. It isn't. It is a stopgap. It has always been a stopgap. It is the proverbial bucket on the floor when your roof is leaking. No, it doesn't actually fix the leak, but as long as you pay attention to the bucket, it limits the damage all that leaking water can do until such time that you can patch the hole in your ceiling.Now, of course, that analogy breaks down, since leaking roofs aren't contagious, but I trust I've proven my point. There is a measure we can all take which will limit (not remove, but limit) the damage being done. That measure is annoying, and comes with its own harm for some folks, but there is incontrovertible proof that it does some good...enough good, in fact, that people with far more expertise than you or I proposed it for good reason, knowing the potential for harm. The same holds true for stuff like public gathering restrictions, physical distancing and even lockdowns. All of those things have harm attached, but they also have good attached. Frankly, all of these measures were only ever designed to hold things off from going completely insane while better therapeutics and competent vaccinations were established. We aren't fully there yet, but we're getting there. This is not a political issue, and it never was. This is not about your freedom, and it never was.Now, to the testing mandates and such? Fully agree. If you want to hang out with your buddy or whatever, go for it; you take risk into your own hands, but go for it. I'm not going to shame you for stuff like that, even if it's playing with fire a little. But I would be fully in favour of "no test, no service" in the short term for some places, because as friggin' annoying as that all can be, it's another way to keep people safe and to protect them from one another. The folks running around potentially spreading the disease because they can't be bothered to protect others, and because no one can force them, are in my opinion the largest problem. Americans in general have turned freedom into a sort of holy cow that must never, ever be touched, and it's become toxic, as last year proved. Freedom doesn't matter much if you're dead from Covid-19. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617978/#p617978 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Suck it up and shut up already. Yes, some politicians, be this in the US or here in Austria have made huge mistakes trying to deal with this. But listening to the expert's consensus is the least y'all can do when it comes to such stupidly tryvial things as wearing masks during certain situations. I'm telling you, you Americans partially have it good. Here, if you wanna go to school, you're getting tested. If you're not getting tested, you're not going to in person school. This is a thing here, and I'm pretty sure if the US tried anything like it all the parents would start losing their shit. And AS much as I don't like the testing and the masks, it's justified. I have the opinion that it should be possible to do things like in person gatherings or cultural events, even right now, and definitely in the next few months as it's gonna get a lot warmer in half of the world. I'd have absolutely no problem with people reopening cinemas, restaurants, and consert venues. Just make sure there's a testing mandate and people have *free* access to tests. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617970/#p617970 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I'm not even saying wear one or don't. I'm saying it's stupid to say that it'll all be over if you just wore a mask. I wear them when I go out, even though I hate it. But if everyone followed suit and wore one, this still would not be over. Jayde, you pretty much confirmed what I've been saying. It's not over until we have a vaccine that works on every mutation, and effective therapeutics.Look, you're not gonna change the minds of people who don't want to wear masks. I don't even think it should be legal to enforce it, but don't say that this would be over if you just did your part. It would not be over. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617968/#p617968 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The aim is not to eliminate the virus entirely. The aim is to protect one another until we get vaccines that work. We are not looking at a scenario where there are 0 covid-19 cases. We are looking at a scenario where the number of cases is low enough that the medical infrastructure can handle it. It's really no different than the flu in this specific regard. Flu shots do not completely nullify the flu virus; they just make more people resistant to it, thus limiting communicability and thus lessening the chance of overloading doctors and nurses.The left is not trying to scare you. The left - and let's be fully honest here, most people left of center-right - are trying to get you to realize that it is in everyone's best interest to wear a mask when in public, at least for a while longer. It's looking like Biden is doing fairly well after inheriting Trump's vaccine-related mess (i.e., the prior administration had basically no plan for mass distribution), and Biden is on record saying he expects there will be enough doses for the entire American population by May, I believe. That's pretty good. That's where herd immunity starts to come into the picture. Vaccines give us another layer of protection against a virus we're still not entirely used to.Let me repeat this for the folks in the back. This is not about fear. I don't want anyone running scared. There is an enormous difference between fear and caution. There is also a difference between fear and responsibility. If you listen to right-wing news sources, they will tell you that you'll never be able to hang out with friends again, that organized events are a thing of the past, and that you'll always, always be wearing a mask in the future. This is simply untrue, and if you want to figure out who's trying to scare whom, look no further than there. The alternative - and this is the view I take - is that I'd rather play safe for awhile now to ensure that everyone is safer down the road. Just getting everyone infected already is not a good choice; have you forgotten that over half a million have died in the last year? Again, that's not fear. It's a fact. If you don't like it, do something about it more productive than moaning about having to wear a little piece of fabric on your face. Sure, it sucks, and it's inconvenient, and we're all pretty sick of it, but it does help, and it's one more tool we have in our toolbox to get through this as a species.I'm sorry, but there just aren't any good-faith points to counter this. I respect that some people are thoroughly done with this whole thing, but that doesn't matter. It isn't done with us, and we're not ready to just shrug it off yet. We'll get there, but we aren't there just yet. So please, stay safe, and try to keep others safe to the best of your ability. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617964/#p617964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? OK, but if everyone wore masks, the virus would still be here. It lowers the rate of transmission, it does not eliminate it entirely. So yes, the logic is broken. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617962/#p617962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? no it isn't. I would first recommend understanding logic before saying its broken. Here is how it works. Wearing masks significantly reduces the chance of transmision, and thus the possibility of them having to close because someone tested posetive. If your customers and employees all wear them, the risk is significantly lower. Refusing to wear a mask because it doesn't offer 100% protection is like saying you won't wear a seatbelt because it won't garantie you won't be injured in a crash. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617955/#p617955 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? That doesn't mean that if they were all wearing masks, that it would stay open. This logic is so broken. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617952/#p617952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? there actually is sorry. Those businesses close back down because the idiot customers walking through the door wern't wearing masks, and idiot republican governers don't require it, or allow refusing service to someone who won't mask up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617951/#p617951 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1099 OK, I'm seeing this pop up on so many places online, and quite frankly, I think it's bullshit. So more people wear masks, transmission slows, but it's still here. businesses tentatively open their doors until 3 people get it again, which will happen by the way, and close again. That does more harm in the long term than staying closed. It's more overhead to try to start back up then shut down then to stay down until we have a handle on this thing.Wear your masks so we can get back to work sooner. It's nothing but the left attacking the right. There's absolutely no substance to it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617913/#p617913 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? That was just an example. You want that people who don't know much about India speak about it? Come on, what if 1099 is a citizen of a US? Have they got some super eye or something? That's why, it's hard to convince you, and I'm not going to do it.I am not doubting anyone's knowledge, but the last post in this topic is, lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617884/#p617884 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1099 I am a citizen of India and not of the United states. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617882/#p617882 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Funny that about 14 months into this and we're still asking this question. I feel as much as people should want things to go back to normal they should have some level of understanding and routine by now URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617839/#p617839 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Funny that about 14 months into this and we're still asking this question URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617839/#p617839 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? yep URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617826/#p617826 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? 1098, because hand sanatizer and masks help, but don't do enough to slow transmition. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617814/#p617814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-23
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : mechaSkyGuardian via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? seriously? are people really this ignorant? everyday people ask "why is the lockdown still going on? why don't we reopen?" Maybe if the government (And the American people) actually followed instructions we wouldn't be in a lockdown anymore and things would have mostly gone back to normal. And the people like 1098 aren't helping with there mantra of "please please end the lockdown please i wana go out and do stuff." Trust me, we all do but bitching and wining aren't going to change anything URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617809/#p617809 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? but guys now I am tired of seeing places being locked down to combat the virus. why can't we open up trade and every thing to boost our economies. and make masks and sanitizers a compultion for everyone to carry? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617806/#p617806 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? 1095, that is only in the short term. Which is why these vaccenes don't get regular approval, which requires documentation of long term effects. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617772/#p617772 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1094 just live with it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617702/#p617702 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? mRNA vaccines have been tested for the first time now. !00m vaccinations with this vaccine type have been conducted globally now and major side effects are restricted to those few who have alergic reactions. At this point, there's not much holding the whole it isn't tested enough argument up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617627/#p617627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? bro but a lockdown has been imposed in maharashtra. what about that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617624/#p617624 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, I am not going according to my signature. I am afraid of any password related risk. I am posting this cause I feel the need to do this. Also I get it now. One has to take breaks after studies. lol. It'll be better if I remove that...Hi Jayde, please check your PM folder. Thanks.Edit: Note, wherever I give example of India, it will imply to most of the developing countries as well.To those who believe that the countries will go in lockdown again.Countries like India cannot afford another lockdown.Though it helps in slowing down the growth of infection rate and also use this time to ramp up hospital facilities to take care of those infected.If the government continues with an effective lockdown for most parts of the country, chances are, many of people in the country could slip into poverty may just turn out to be correct; whether it is momentary or longer-lasting will depend on how long it takes for people to start working again. Indeed, in the short run, the impact will be even greater since, thanks to the lockdown, the majority of people are facing much larger income shocks—in many cases, especially in the informal sector, they have lost their jobs. That is the reason why migrant workers thronged the borders in tens of thousands, desperate to go home; with no money coming in, how were they to afford the higher costs of the city?That is why, apart from humanitarian reasons, the home ministry did well to lift the ban on inter-state travel, which will now allow migrant workers to go home. The ban was ill-conceived, but one that several people—including this writer—initially supported due to the fear that migrants going back home in tens of thousands would spread the novel coronavirus in rural areas as well. With more quarantine facilities being built and a ramp-up in testing facilities—it is better than in the past, but still inadequate—allowing them to go back may not be as fraught with danger.Plus, many of the developing countries are struggling with digitization. When it was imposed in March in our country, I used to here, children were not responding to the questions given to them, they used to leave the meetings, they used to give 2 common excuse, network issues, feeling well. I don't know how it happened, but the environment where I study, was really good. People used to respond, and stayed away from excuses.If we talk about kids specifically, many of them or their families don't have technology to attend Google Meet or Zoom and etc.So, what I think is, the government will try to avoid lockdown as much as possible, but we can't predict what's going to happen in the coming future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617589/#p617589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, I am not going according to my signature. I am afraid of any password related risk. I am posting this cause I feel the need to do this. Also I get it now. One has to take breaks after studies. lol. It'll be better if I remove that...Hi Jayde, please check your PM folder. Thanks.To those who believe that the countries will go in lockdown again.Countries like India cannot afford another lockdown.Though it helps in slowing down the growth of infection rate and also use this time to ramp up hospital facilities to take care of those infected.If the government continues with an effective lockdown for most parts of the country, chances are, many of people in the country could slip into poverty may just turn out to be correct; whether it is momentary or longer-lasting will depend on how long it takes for people to start working again. Indeed, in the short run, the impact will be even greater since, thanks to the lockdown, the majority of people are facing much larger income shocks—in many cases, especially in the informal sector, they have lost their jobs. That is the reason why migrant workers thronged the borders in tens of thousands, desperate to go home; with no money coming in, how were they to afford the higher costs of the city?That is why, apart from humanitarian reasons, the home ministry did well to lift the ban on inter-state travel, which will now allow migrant workers to go home. The ban was ill-conceived, but one that several people—including this writer—initially supported due to the fear that migrants going back home in tens of thousands would spread the novel coronavirus in rural areas as well. With more quarantine facilities being built and a ramp-up in testing facilities—it is better than in the past, but still inadequate—allowing them to go back may not be as fraught with danger.Plus, many of the developing countries are struggling with digitization. When it was imposed in March in our country, I used to here, children were not responding to the questions given to them, they used to leave the meetings, they used to give 2 common excuse, network issues, feeling well. I don't know how it happened, but the environment where I study, was really good. People used to respond, and stayed away from excuses.If we talk about kids specifically, many of them or their families don't have technology to attend Google Meet or Zoom and etc.So, what I think is, the government will try to avoid lockdown as much as possible, but we can't predict what's going to happen in the coming future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617589/#p617589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, we recently got some fromn our neighbour Barbados who got it from India, and for now they're vaxcinating the frontline workers. We're also set to get some from the COVAX facility next week, however they only have about sixty thousand doses which, isnt good at all. I just hope they don't push any of the Chinese made ones on us as well, you know how China is with smaller countries. Also corona cases are down. Its probably like 3 cases every few days or something URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617567/#p617567 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, we recently got some fromn our neighbour Barbados who got it from India, and for now they're vaxcinating the frontline workers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617567/#p617567 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? But that doesn't change the fact that a drug/vaccene using this technology was never tested on humans prior to covid. You can sit down and run a bunch of simulations on a program, but until you actually test something out on people, what it does is hypothetical and speculative. Medical fuckups are plentiful when you look enough. Take fluoroquinolone antibiotics for example. Scientists were overjoyed in the 90s when they figured out that a cancer chemotherapy drug class could double as an antibiotic. It was all good until major perminent disabling side effects got reported more and more, and more than 20 years later, it became known that the antibiotics actually affected human DNA replication, and made perminent changes to the mitocondria. Oops? So now, you can google ffluoroquinolone associated disability, or toxicicity and you will find dozens and dozens of sources, both news and scientific papers that document all the effects of these drugs. And the result? More and more severe side effects keep being discovered, and all but 2 of the drugs were pulled from the market, and the two that wern't pulled have like 5 black box warnings on them, and multiple warnings that they should only be used when all other options have been exhausted, and still it isn't known how the toxic effects occur. I wouldn't be surprised if those two get pulled too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617565/#p617565 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1089, yes, the vaccine uses MRNA technology, but MRNA itself has been well-studied. We know what it does, and all it does is tell your body how to do something. It can't mutate or alter your DNA in any significant way, if at all. It can make your immune system produce vaccines for COVID but that's all it can do. The side effects are, of course, your body's immune response to a perceived threat, which is good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617560/#p617560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ok, so you can have your 200+ barbecues, and make your ritualistic human sacrifices to save the economy, except it won't work, and you will have massive explosions of cases at hospitals, have doctors quit their jobs, and have everything generally fucked up because people who need to go to the hospital can't, people going to work even though they have the virus because employers won't provide sick leave, and frankly don't give a shit about their employees sometimes. Not to mention the fact that infecting people more means more virus mutations. Maybe the only good thing is the clown is out of the white house, and the US is on the long bumpy road to finally controling this more.As for the vaccenes, I think people have very good and valid reasons to mistrust them. No vaccene or probably any medication was ever developed so fast as these coronavirus vaccenes were. Moreover, there was high political pressure on scientists to churn out a vaccene in record time, and these vaccenes used in the EU and most of the developed world use MRNA technology, which also hasn't ever been used before and certainly not on this scale. You can also do a quick search and learn that white house Chief of staff Mark Meadows threatened to fire the FDA comissioner if the vaccene wasn't approved in a day. This does absolutely nothing to inspire trust. Also, the approval was emergency approval, which states longterm effects of anything under this type of approval aren't known, and that it is only done because of the pandemic. Until any of the vaccenes get regular, not emergency, approval, they will be voluntary only. I personally wouldn't take the vaccene iether until it received regular approval, or until such time I wasn't permited to work remotely anymore, or if I had to travel internationally, though I won't travel until manditory quarantine rules are lifted. Having said that though, these emergency approved vaccenes are much more trustworthy than say the Chinese vaccenes that haven't received any approvals from any reputable source, and have questionable effectiveness that Turkey is handing out for free to everyone there. Also they will have to come up with a vaccene that works always, if they keep coming up with vaccenes every 3-6 months to a year, people will probably have more questions to safety, and refuse it more. I do as well. The body isn't a piece of software that you keep updating to 6.0, 6.1 6.2 etc. As you keep taking more and more, the possiblity of safety issues and adverse events would go up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617546/#p617546 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Tricky business, for sure. The good news is that vaccination means much, much higher immunity, or at least resistance, which will lower overall communicability. Numbers are trending down in most places, and stable in others; at present, I don't know of any countries where Covid-19, or any of its variants, is raging unchecked. I'm eager and willing to get a vaccine at the earliest opportunity, but I'm 37 and have no pre-existing conditions, and live in a fairly large city, so I'm pretty low on the list, as I'm not yet employed so I'm not even an essential worker (though I will be if I can get a job). Point is, they rushed this, but it looks quite safe, and there's enough data to suggest that it works way, way more often than it doesn't. Complications appear to be pretty rare, and the most serious of them is something everybody is aware of. I think that at this point, not getting vaccinated when you have the opportunity to do so is foolish and paranoid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617533/#p617533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The virus keeps mutating, and they will have to try to keep up with it like the flu. Hopefully this means that while it has a fast mutation rate, it mutates into less and less deadly strains.I think we have enough data to know it's relatively safe now, so anyone who felt like they wanted to hold out because they didn't know what it would do can now go get it. They monitor you for 10-15 minutes for anaphylaxis then send you on your way. If you develop that, they can treat it.The Pfizer vaccine seems to be the one that handles more of the variants than the other ones. So that's the one to aim for if you can. Hopefully this means we'll get a handle on it and can resume normal operations.Normal operations is almost an insult though, because it will take many years to recover from what this has done to our economy. I've seen local businesses shutting down all around me, including a pizza shop I've been going to ever since I was a child.If this doesn't work though, if we can't get a handle on things, we're gonna have to live with it. That means going back to work or school. That means doing what we normally would. We've slowed down the clock, but we can't stop it, and we can't keep it like this for long. The question I keep asking, but no one has an answer for is how long do you think we can keep this up before people start going batshit insane. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617506/#p617506 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I'm curious about something. What do you guys think of the vaccine? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617494/#p617494 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2021-02-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? We've never come out of it. I think we should face it head on, if it kills us, it kills us. Have big blowout barbeques with 200 plus. Anyone wants to say home can, but this is getting ridiculous, time to face up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617490/#p617490 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Of course theirs a new strand, a virus does mutate after all. It is the nature of viruses. It does suck, but we do have to accept that it has become part of life, just like any other illness. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617469/#p617469 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? bro the corona virus has returned once again in many countries including my own country India. what do you think? are we preparing to go into the lockdown once again? will we be reliving the days of lockdown? I strongly believe that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/617456/#p617456 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Apparently they discovered a mutated version in my area. Great. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586793/#p586793 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I thought I made that clear. Just because you use a term with some less-than-ideal implications doesn't make you right-leaning, or even a bad person in general. At worst, if you continue using that term after seeing the harm it can cause or having it explained to you, it strikes me as a little wilful and selfish. But on the grand scale, it's a pretty tiny issue as long as you aren't weaponizing it yourself.One of my family members was using the term a lot, but also happened to dislike Trump. At one point I finally said to him, "Dude, do you really want to be parroting the American president right now?", and he laughed, said "Touche", and as far as I know, hasn't used the term since. I know -I haven't heard him do it, anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577555/#p577555 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Not justifying it, either, since I call it covid, and that's two syllables as opposed to the 3 or 4 it takes to say China virus or China plague. I'm joking about that, I honestly think covid is a fine term, but if I really stretch, and play devil's advocate here for a moment, I can come up with a reason why some might prefer to use either of those terms.Which term conjures a stronger mental image? Shell shock, or PTSD? Shock therapy, or ECT? I provided the acronyms for the updated terms, not only because both are well-known in pop culture, but also to show that there is some amount of sterility involved when you detach a name from a lived experience.So, yeah, China plague is vaguely racist, just as shell shock was/is probably offensive to WWII veterans. For better or worse though, humans are always going to respond more strongly to a cutting term, something that makes them react, not think, particularly in high pressure situations. Whether those reactions are ultimately more harmful in the short term is debatable, but, just as the crudeness of the name shell shock lead to the understanding and better mental health treatment of veterans, so, too, might people flinging around the words China plague and China virus lead to a delayed outpouring of empathy and support. I agree that it shouldn't be delayed, but we're all collectively grieving and fucked up in a way that is unprecedented. And what is one of the five stages of grief? Anger, of course. Just as a parent might lash out at and tear down those closest to their child who died by suicide, even when there's no justification for such a reaction, and that, in fact, will do more harm than good, we might feel the need to cast our nets wide in order to grasp at something, anything, that lets us have the right to feel whatever complicated feelings we have right now. Does that make it right? No, but it does make it human. If the immediate crisis ever dissipates, we can, hopefully, excluding total assholes here, because they don't need permission to flaunt their assholery, come to a place where we can say, "hey, about that China virus crap? It was racist and shitty, but I was at my breaking point." I'm a firm believer that sometimes, even the most sincere apology can't mend a rift, and one should do their best to repent in whatever way they see fit, if they can own their wrongdoing and/or complicence in whatever matter caused them to act unflattering or out of character. I absolutely refuse to believe that every person who has uttered the words China virus is a raging psychopath who aligns with Trump's alt right leanings. It just doesn't add up to me, given the gravity of the situation we are all facing at this time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577548/#p577548 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? There you have it then.There is nothing bad about using its proper name.There is some problem with calling it the China virus or China plague (discussed at length above).I.e., use the one that leads to no issues instead of the one that can upset people. Simple, really. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577542/#p577542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Nothing is bad about using it's proper name. Call it whatever you want. I do think this is about political correctness and the mumbo-jumbo that has been giving us all a prison shower for years. The virus, Covid, ku ku ka chu, it doesn't matter to me. Hell, I call it a disaster. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577478/#p577478 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-10-04
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? not that I'm for calling this the china virus or anything, I already made my position against it clear, but I heard someone say early on that corona beer stocks fell sharply at the start of the pandemic. Still a poor excuse for not calling it coronavirus if you ask me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577198/#p577198 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Here's the deal. If "china virus" and "china plague" had never encouraged folks to show racism, then fine. It's harmless too. Pick your name and run with it.But we know that isn't true. People obviously can't be trusted to use a geographically identifying name without becoming racist. This isn't about snowflakes being triggered. This is about some idiots ruining it for the rest of you.Obviously I can't stop any one of you who wants to use one term over another, but I stand by what I said. If you use that term, you're potentially enabling others to leap on it. You're doing your very small share of normalizing a name that is being misused by some people. And anyone in a position of power - Donald Trump, say? - who uses that term? Well, Trump has a responsibility to be responsible for what he says and how he says it, so he has even less excuse than the rest of you.Again, the onus is on you to tell me why "coronavirus" or "covid-19" are bad to use. What's wrong with those terms? What's innately harmful in those terms? How do they fail or come up short? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577180/#p577180 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I personally do not use that term, nor do I know anyone who uses it in normal conversation, but I see nothing wrong with it as it came from China. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577155/#p577155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Thus, making it problematic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577127/#p577127 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @Jayde. That's a different scenario though. China virus is not proven to be racist. The term is not racist, it's just that most people who use it have a racist intent. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577118/#p577118 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, what if I preferred to call people of colour the n word? Shouldn't I be allowed to do that?Note: I absolutely do -NOT want to call people the n-word. I'm using it for the sake of explanation here.Just because you prefer to call someone or something by a term that might cause trouble, that doesn't mean it's fair game.Frankly, if I have a choice between two terms, one of them is completely without bias or prejudice or anything loaded while the other could (not will, but could) cause trouble, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna default to the one that has a 0% chance of causing harm. And you know what else I'm gonna do? I'm gonna flag anyone who doesn't do likewise as someone who's okay with racial microaggressions. Because that's exactly what you're saying. You want the freedom to just use an iffy term because hey, it shouldn't bother anyone, and everybody knows the virus came out of China so what's the big deal, right? No, my dude, that's not how this works. As I've already demonstrated, terms like "china virus" and "china plague" and "kung flu" can cause folks to become even bigger racists than they already are by default. I've seen it. You've probably seen it. Any defense of this nomenclature is just enabling those idiots who are actually bonna fide racists to spread their xenophobia even further. There is a harmless, bias-less, accurate alternative. Use it, for heaven's sake. Just use it. Stop living in 1918. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577031/#p577031 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @1062. Its a preference for people. I like calling it covid19, but some people may want to call it China virus. I'm not going to call them out on that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577023/#p577023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-10-03
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Have to side with Jayde on this one, and assault has the right of it too. Here in USA, we have a meltimg pot of peoples and nationalities, so when you call it the China virus, people who hear it, the next time they see an asian will wonder if they just happen to be from China and become defensive, and trust me there are a lot of asians around here.On a related note, china definitely got problems, but so does everywhere else. We shouldn't be trying to pick the speck out of others eyes without taking care of the plank in our own first. Finally, as an American, I think its ok to be pro America, even in light of the stupid stuff she's done, because America is my home, just as my parents are my parents, and as surely as bad things have come from both, there has been some good as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576996/#p576996 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2020-10-03
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Have to side with Jayde on this one, and assault has the right of it too. Here in USA, we have a meltimg pot of peoples and nationalities, so when you call it the China virus, people who hear it, the next time they see an asian will wonder if they just happen to be from China and become defensive, and trust me there are a lot of asians around here.On a related note, china definitely got problems, but so does everywhere else. We shouldn't be trying to pick the speck out of others eyes without taking care of the plank in our own first. Finally, as an American, I think its ok to be pro America, even in light of the stupid stuff she's done, because America is my gmhome, just as my parents are my parents, and as surely as bad things have come from both, there has been some good as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576996/#p576996 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-10-03
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Have to side with Jayde on this one, and assault has the right of it too. Here in USA, we have a meltimg pot of peoples and nationalities, so when you call it the China virus, people qho hear it, the next time they see an asian will wonder if they just happen to be from China and become defensive, and trust me there are a lot of asians around here.On a related note, china definitely got problems, but so does everywhere else. We shouldn't be trying to pick the speck out of others eyes without taking care of the plank in our own first. Finally, as an American, I think its ok to be pro America, even in light of the stupid stuff she's done, because America is my gmhome, just as my parents are my parents, and as surely as bad things have come from both, there has been some good as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576996/#p576996 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Again though: give me a good reason why we cannot/should not use geographically neutral language to identify a pandemic which, at this point, affects us all. None of you have even attempted this yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576995/#p576995 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Agreed with JayJay here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576994/#p576994 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I've seen people , mostly rural less educated people call it covit. As in, Chevy Corvette without the r. And the one person I've seen calling it, "China", like, plain China is an all round asshole in general so yeah. As I said earlier intent is everything. If someone says, the chinese corona, or Wuan in casual conversation is meh, but if someone says, fuckk those chinese for spreading around their Kung Flu, yeah. that's unacceptable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576828/#p576828 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I've seen people , mostly rural less educated people call it covit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576828/#p576828 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Calling it the Wuhan Coronavirus is acceptable to me, while calling it the China Virus or the China Plague is not. Kung-flu certainly isn't... there's a difference between geographical labelling and placing the blame on an entire country for a virus that emerged from a single city.Whatever people may say to justify it, as an Canadian-born Asian, it's racist no mater how you cut it. I wouldn't feel any better about something being labelled the Canada virus or the America virus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576806/#p576806 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Given that we generally name stuff like this after the areas they originated from, (Ebola, MERS West Nile virus etc.) then it would be the Wuhan coronavirus. This neatly gets rid of the thing where some people want to say Coh-vid, while others want to say Caw-vid. Some people will even use both pronunciations in the same damn sentence. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576800/#p576800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I am not ashamed to be pro America. Do we have our flaws? You bet your ass we do! However, any citizen of any country should support there country and that should not be shamed. I believe if the virus started in this country the media would try to lie and say it started somewhere else but most of us would own up to it. Joe Biden would have done so and even Donald Trump would have no choice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576755/#p576755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? You're entitled to believe anything you want. The virus was deliberately manufactured and released. The moon is made of marshmallows. The earth is flat. Pick your poison. But that doesn't mean your opinion is valid just because it exists. Please remember that.The only part where we agree is that early on, the CCP definitely did some pretty serious covering up. They did it for two reasons. First, they seem to hate taking responsibility for things, favouring their own spin wherever possible. History bears this out, and it's not a good thing. However, their other reason is actually semi-valid. They know damn well that quite apart from their own history, people hear the word "communist" and automatically assume the very, very worst. It's a dirty word in most mouths, and since China and communism are tied together now, they wanted to minimize the racial backlash they knew their country would inevitably face if they just admitted the facts.That said, most countries try to save face when they fuck up. Donald Trump has put on a clinic of precisely this sort for most of his presidency, but especially for the last nine months or so. Lying and covering up are not the sole purview of China, or communists at large. Almost everyone does it when they get egg on their face. It's a bad thing, I agree, but it's common as hell, so let's keep this in some sort of perspective, shall we?If you can tell me with a straight face that you think America would've owned it if it had accidentally created, released or even just been the origin of Covid-19, I'll tell you two things. First of all, you're wrong. Second of all, you're either horribly naïve, frighteningly pro-American, or both. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576707/#p576707 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? No one has to be politically correct anyway. if someone wants to call it bat virus China virus what ever the heck virus it's just their preference.China an authoritarian cummunist regime hid the facts and their government has it's own part. However i believe it's a fabricated virus though no matter what media said about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576694/#p576694 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Oh for pete's sake. Am I really arguing this in 2020?Here's your challenge:Give me one good, solid reason why we shouldn't just refer to it as Covid-19, or the coronavirus, or as Sars CoV2.Don't give me a reason why it -should be called the China virus. We've already established that this sort of thing can hurt people. Can you give me a good reason why calling it by a neutral name hurts people or causes problems?Because if you can't do that - and I'm 99.9% sure you can't - then that's what you go with. Y'know, the option that -doesn't prime folks to be even more naturally racist or xenophobic than they already are? The option that doesn't have any baggage attached?I happen to know a few people who, while living in Canada no less, were harassed because they appear Chinese (two of the three were born and raised here, one came here when she was young). To me, this just proves that if you give people a spark, they'll light a fire with it. "China virus" and "china plague" are just such a spark, and since people have proven that they can be assholes for no good reason, as far as I'm concerned the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why using neutral language and nomenclature is a bad thing beyond this point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576692/#p576692 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? we will still be calling it Chinese virus because china hid the truth from the world about the virus and it did stop the tour domestically but it allowed international tour so why can't it be called a Chinese virus? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576683/#p576683 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? we will still be calling it Chinese virus because china hid the truth from the world about the virus and it did stop the tour domistically but it allowed international tour so why can't it be called a Chinese virus? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576683/#p576683 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? If it started in America I would have no problem if it got called the America virus. Simple logic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576407/#p576407 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
