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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Thank you very much! I really appreciate it. My progress is fairly slow since I can only really work on games during weekends, but I'm getting there.Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/506749/#p506749

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback hi philip. I just want to say I really enjoy your games. You are one of the best game developers out there, and I really enjoy the projects you have came out with. I am glad to see you are still in the game development business, and I will continue

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @43 is correct. I will have some limitations in place for how many times you can register on new machines without having deactivated your licenses on old machines, but the idea is that this should never present a problem to the user if they aren't

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback As I understand it, this proposed system wouldn't even use registration keys, at least not ones that the end user (that's you) ever sees. You have an Email address and a password which you use to log into an account on the licensing server

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Will you be able to request a key replacement? If you don't understand, I'll do my best to explain.Recently, I just bought VIP MUD from GMA games. If I went out and got a different computer, I would simply sign into my GMA Games account, request

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @Chris: You won't even be worrying about your registration key being lost. That's all being handled behind the scenes. Think of the registration process like that of A Hero's Call. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505752/#p505752

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @38: Post 1 covers lost activations. In short, there will be a web portal or something similar where you can revoke an activation in case you lose/reformat/etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505743/#p505743 -- Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @38:Thank you very much for the feedback and the kind words. No apology is necessary, but I really appreciate the sentiment all the same.Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505727/#p505727 -- Audiogames

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Please don't put your content on Steam! I wouldn't touch Steam with a ten foot pole, and I would much rather purchase directly from developers rather than going through Steam which probably takes a cut of all sales. If Steam continues to ignore

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Please don't put your content on Steam! I wouldn't touch Steam with a ten foot pole, and I would much rather purchase directly from developers rather than going through Steam which probably takes a cut of all sales. If Steam continues to ignore

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Please don't put your content on Steam! I wouldn't touch Steam with a ten foot pole, and I would much rather purchase directly from developers rather than going through Steam which probably takes a cut of all sales. If Steam continues to ignore

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I think that this is a good idea. I'm excited as weel since this means we'll see more things from you in the future! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505706/#p505706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback SMS verification can be intercepted through a man in the middle, though. See, if Windows Hello/all these other fingerprint api's were easier to deal with, verification would be nothing as long as people had a decent new machine, or a usb

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Wow, interesting topic.Itch is good for rpgs and adventure books, thats what is mostly on it and some puzzlers.However, while you can get steam keys from them, you can just get drm free stuff which is a bonus.As for steam, I have heard rumors from

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @theTrueSwampGamer: BGT is officially abandoned. If you want it, there's a good chance we're hosting it on the Audiogames ARchive.Yup, it's right here. Be advised though that it is, actually, abandoned, so if you're going to learn a language it's

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @theTrueSwampGamer: BGT is officially abandoned. If you want it, there's a good chance we're hosting it on the Audiogames ARchive.Yup, it's right here. Be advised though that it is, actually, abandoned, so if you're going to learn a language it's

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback wow your still active phillip? How come you can't download BGT anymore from the site. Last time i checked it wasn't available. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505621/#p505621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @31:I did consider the USB dongle approach, but decided not to do it. It's something that would personally annoy me to no end, so I don't really want to impose that on my users. It is certainly more secure than the software based approaches, but I

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Well, at black_mana's mention of iLok, that does beg the question. Have you considered just going through the u2f api for logins? That would:1. Eliminate the needfor sms verification if you were thinking of going down that road, and2. People

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback it's effective and i like it, that way no one will be able to crack the game /keys can not be shaired, it sounds to me like the I lock system that is being used in some programs/plugins   related to sound  design if you ask me URL: https

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @26, I don't really understand why this is a concern unless you're using the same password for everything. That's insecure, and it's also primarily your problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505534/#p505534 -- Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Sounds good to me. Also some really good ideas post 19 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505498/#p505498 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback There will certainly be ways of circumventing the system. As with any DRM that is performed client side, a user who is determined enough will find a loophole. I will of course try to put checks in place to try to prevent it, but at the end

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Hi.At 5 h so I get your point, throwing all data privacy and protection concerns aside, it's all good nature to throw out your private data out the door anywhere possible? Yeah, no wonder how those data breaches come to be.Greetings Moritz

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback This is why we're talking crash plans/last resorts now before nything else. A good drm solution has a crash plan in place so that software is not impacted by companies going out of business. Example: Company abandons ship, already has an emergency

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Hi. This system sounds all well and good, but we have one major problem. If, for some reason, your company goes out of business, how will people who have never played or registered the game get to play? Basically, those of us who may not have

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback It sounds very fine to me, as I'm not trying to remember the key when I'm registering the product. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505457/#p505457 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback As long as you implement the revoking process, I don't see that this is an issue. I liked the system though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505455/#p505455 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback As long as you the revoking process, I don't see that this is an issue. I liked the system though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505455/#p505455 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @19: Good thoughts. However, playing devil's advocate here, you can't trust my computer's DNS resolver. Why? Okay, you're checking my hosts file to make sure there's no funny business going on. So I'll just go to another local Linux server and whip

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @19, good ideas. I'd also strongly suggest adding in a flag to detect if the application is running in a virtual machine, emulator, etc. The system doesn't need to immediately invalidate the license if the test is positive, but it should flag

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Itch.io: No drm. Can easily be exploited unfortunately.Steam: Only recently became accessible, a very long overdue move on their part. Still, the blasted login screen is not accessible without the login shortcut workaround, and even then you have

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @15:You're absolutely right, I will need to contact the server from time to time and this is in the pipeline for sure. However, I don't like option two. I like to have the freedom to use my key wherever I go, even if I don't have Internet access

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I had another thought I forgot to put in my last message.Were I designing this system, I'd allow customers to give their computers nicknames, either at time of registration or later. That's an easy way to keep track of which computer is which. URL

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Here are my thoughts:1. The system as a whole sounds like exactly the type of DRM system I'd design were I designing one.2. I would recommend having the game check in with the server every now and then. Not every time the game is launched

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Hi Philip,Your solution seems pretty reasonable.One thing I would point out is that your client will need to contact the server periodically to see if the key it is using has been revoked.Otherwise people could activate several keys, then revoke

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I like the idea myself, though I would recommend giving users a good interface to look at their hardware specific license keys and when the last was active, that way if your computer breaks and you buy a new machine, you will be able to track which

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I like the idea myself, though I would recommend giving users a good interface to look at their hardware specific license keys and when the last was active, that way if your computer breaks and you buy a new machine, you will be able to track which

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I just looked into itch.io, and it seems like a nice platform. However, this entry in their FAQ caught my attention:Does itch.io impose any DRM (Digital Rights Management)?No. itch.io lets users download the games exactly as you uploaded them

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback @10:It is something I would consider, as any opportunity to streamline the process would be advantageous. But for now, I would like to have an independent system that I can taylor to fit my exact requirements, not least because I would have

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback ich.io, I agree with. Stream, I would say sure, (but only until they get that one screen out of beta!) Yes, that annoying account screen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505338/#p505338 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback What about just going onto one of the platforms that already handle your drm, like ich.io, steam, etc? It's 2020, not 1995. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505332/#p505332 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Same here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505326/#p505326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Sounds good to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505321/#p505321 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback This sounds more than reasonable to me. It sounds like the kind of DRM that does its job without getting in the way of the user. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505320/#p505320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Thanks for the quick feedback!@3:1. The email will be verified when you create your account. After that, it will be used to look up the user on the server when fetching new keys.3. It's written in C. I don't think I will release this part as open

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I like the system. It strikes a nice balance between freedom and security. I'd say it's fine for the end-user, because it improves at least two major issues people have with, say, the Code Factory licensing.@4, that's a part of being on the modern

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I like the system. It strikes a nice balance between freedom and security. I'd say it's fine for the end-user, because it improves at least two major issues people have with, say, the Code Factory licensing.@4, that's a part of being on the modern

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback

Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback I like the system. It strikes a nice balance between freedom and security. I'd say it's fine for the end-user, because it improves at least two major issues people have with, say, the Code Factory licensing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Hi.I due like the sytem but I'm not a fan of creating another account for a platform that I only use for registration purposes, it's another platform that has my data like name, email, payment details and what not and i do not like creating

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback A few things here1. Wouldn't you have to check if the email is valid upon launch of the product? Because if not, people may be able to exploit that and abuse it to an extent and crack it. Maybe I'm not understanding something here though2. I

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Re: Game Licensing - Request for Feedback This is very similar if not exactly the same as the GMA Games account system, and I wish more people would use this system. In my opinion, it's more effective. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/505308/#p505308 -- Audiogames-reflector

Game Licensing - Request for Feedback

Game Licensing - Request for Feedback Hi all,First, if this is in the wrong room, myapologies. Feel free to move it.I am in the process of designing a licensing system for future products. I have the following goals in mind:* Players must have an active Internet connection when