Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? Hello. As many others have said in this post, I thank you very much for posting your situation. I feel very sorry for you that you are in this situation. All I can do at this point is express my support and prayers for you. I also want to tell you that you are free to do anything you wish, as long as you seek not to intentionally harm others. What your family thinks, along with some other families is a very strict and misguided way of thought. I am a Christian and when I hear the heinous acts done in the name of religion every day, it sickens and saddens me. I hope that you find this forum an oasis of sorts where you can let your thoughts flow freely. Stay safe though, and don’t let your your thoughts become too public so you won’t be persecuted in some way. I will pray constantly that you seek freedom from this horrible oppression. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414068/#p414068 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? The west is racist and full of bigots. This dude's plight does not change the facts which exist elsewhere. That's like having a broken finger, then getting your toe stepped on and being told "Well it doesn't matter that your finger's broken because your toe hurts more right now, doesn't it?". Just...no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414031/#p414031 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? But yet people want to say the west is racest and full of biggets when we have it way better than this guy. Hope you can find true freedom some day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414021/#p414021 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? I have enormous sympathy for this sort of struggle. this, to me, is religion used in an awful, awful way. Of course, not all Muslims do this, the same way not all Christians are heavy-handed either. In fact, most aren't. But when we are exposed to situations which show the dark side of institutionalized religion as it opposes freedom of thought and action, it's all kinds of bad. It makes me sad and angry on your behalf, but I'm glad that you are not being physically threatened or harmed, at the very least.The fact that you can express your worries and your views this articulately suggests that you have a fair degree of education, are quite bright, or both. These things will serve you well. Generally, if you have to stop and ask if your feelings are rational on points like this, you're probably right to question. I echo the previously-expressed sentiment that what is being done to you, and to many others in the name of religion in all sorts of places, is anywhere from sad to straight-up monstrous.There isn't much I can do besides lend you my support. I am hoping that you can get yourself free of the life you're currently living, or that, at the least, that life begins to restrict you considerably less than it is now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414005/#p414005 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? If you are who I think you are, I've been trying to get in touch and talk to you but stuf around here kinda prevented me from doing. If you're not who I think you are, I have a friend who's suffering the same fucked up fate as you, and seeks to break free of it without any chance given. Either anyone in the world understands you or not, I can totally relate to this, and I'm sorry for the tough time you've had in your life. The worst hell is made by people. This proves it much more than a word can describe. It's hell that steals freedom, robs will, destroys good. I could only wish your people weren't so simple, shallow minded. I respect all religions, but what your people do is nothing I should respect. It's not religion, it's religion manipulation, in the same way Israeli use to attack Palestinians, Isis propose as a mean to harm people. It's unforgivable, and I can bet with my head unrelated to the way Allah or Mohammad wanted it to be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413998/#p413998 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? How can a culture that made musical instruments back in the ancient times oppose it today? I’ve heard enough music from the Middle East to last a lifetime, and I’m pretty sure some of it comes from Saudi Arabia. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413992/#p413992 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? Sorry for double posting: Rahaf Al-Qunun for example, who opposed her? Who fought her? Her family and people who did it, not the country itself. However in these difficult circumstances, there's a lot of people struggling against these thoughts as I mentioned earlier. This is why our society is characterized by a good civilization compared to many countries that do suffer. It isn't a backward society of the first class, but it needs to get rid of some dark thoughts in order to move forward. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413991/#p413991 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? Hey allI'd like to first thank you so much for your kind and touching words.There's some misunderstanding that needs to be clarified, and I'll edit the first post so I can insure that new readers would get the correct idea that I wanna deliver.The problem is not a country entity in itself, and I don't speak from a political perspective. As explained above in the first post indirectly, the problem is a problem of not accepting some of the population for the development imposed by the government itself. And recently the government (which I do really love especially our new leader Muhammad bin Salman) has led Saudi Arabia into an advanced stage of civilization and development. In the past three years, many positive things have happened with regard to the country itself and even the citizens. Cinemas (for instance) are now available and they're gradually opening up. Music isn't legally prohibited so you don't get me wrong. The problem itself lies in some of our people. Many of them don't accept this progress imposed by the government as I mentioned above. So don't worry, what I'm saying here isn't at all contrary to any of my country's laws and policies. What I've complained to you is just my suffering with some people unlike the ruling family which contributes greatly to making our country more civilized. But the problem is that public opinion is largely dominating the steps and decisions taken by Saudi Arabia, although many people (especially this age's) do reject the backwardness and thoughts of those who want to impose restrictions on people and civilization. In short, it's a matter of controlling fathers, mothers, families and public opinion. So Saudi Arabia itself is nice, but as long as those dark thoughts don't try to dominate, we're fine. Otherwise we'll be in nowhere beyond civilization. We have a promising future, and as long as our lives are far from the hands of backward folks, we're fine. Our government will hopefully get rid of these stupid thoughts sooner or later. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413981/#p413981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? aw don't worry bro, i'm a blind person who's more unfortunate than you, the world was cruel and decided to spawn me in iran. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413957/#p413957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? hello there,i'm living in Turkey and i can without a dout, tell you that islam doesnt block your freedom with any way.if you bleaving at islam, and as long asyou stay loil to the quran and the hadith, there si no restrictions at other things.but if your also thinging the opposit, your also free we have free will, we can abel to choose the path we want,i love the folk of Saudi Arabia, not the govarment though.they are simplyusing islam for the moneylook at mekke and medina, they are using those holy places as a money source.i'm not mentioning a much more sad part from thatthere are many people muslim or not muslim, are starving at each second.have you heard that anyone, at least the goverment, help them?nah they have money all over their places but they prefer crafting themselves golden toilets and golden cars, evrything has a response, in this world or in ahiret, afterlife,the world is a verry wierd place, URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413952/#p413952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? No, they're not right. Everyone should have the right to freedom. Everyone. No matter who they are, what religion they follow, who they're attracted to, where they live, who they were born to ... everyone!I know, that is far too optimistic. In reality, it's unlikely humanity will ever reach that level of perfection. But it'll get better, I hope. The situation has already improved quite a bit from what it used to be. Let's all do our best to make sure it continues that way.No stupid book, regardless of who it was written by, be it a god or just some random dude (I personally think it's the second, but that's no place for this debate), should restrict your freedom like this. Why would people live a sad, restricted life, hoping that it'll be better in the afterlife? What's even the point of living then? Enjoy life while you can, don't waste it, regardless of how sure you are you'll get a second one.I am sorry I can't help you much. The most I can do is wish you luck, which is basically nothing. But please, don't let them beat you down. You are a good person, you aren't doing anything wrong. You deserve to enjoy your life. You deserve to listen to or play music if that's what brings you happiness. You deserve to do whatever you want, as long as that doesn't harm others. You deserve to think whatever you want.Don't let anybody tell you otherwise, not your family, teachers, religion. Fortunately, you have access to the internet. You can use it to research things and form your own opinion. Not everything you'll find will be true, but there are plenty of useful resources out there.But please be careful that others don't find out. I don't want you to be punished because of following my advice. Use stuff like private browsing, delete all history, cookies, passwords, etc. Be careful about giving out your real information, such as name or where exactly you live. Privacytools.io has a few good tips for keeping your info private.It won't be easy for you to leave the country. Your family and the culture will be against it, and the blindness will make everything even harder. But I really hope that, if that's what you want to do, you succeed. I hope that you manage to find people that will help you. And I hope that if you do leave, your parents forgive you for it. They were raised to believe in this culture, but maybe, once they see how happy you are, they'll understand your choice. There's likely still good in them. But if there isn't, I hope you're strong enough to realize that your life matters more than following their commands.I wish you all the best, and I think most of the people on this forum do, too. Thank you for sharing your story with us. Be brave, you can do this! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413947/#p413947 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
2019-02-23
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? post 7, i agreed you fully and thums up to you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413949/#p413949 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? No, they're not right. Everyone should have the right to freedom. Everyone. No matter who they are, what religion they follow, who they're attracted to, where they live, who they were born to ... everyone!I know, that is far too optimistic. In reality, it's unlikely humanity will ever reach that level of perfection. But it'll get better, I hope. The situation has already improved quite a bit from what it used to be. Let's all do our best to make sure it continues that way.No stupid book, regardless of who it was written by, be it a god or just some random dude (I personally think it's the second, but that's no place for this debate), should restrict your freedom like this. Why would people live a sad, restricted life, hoping that it'll be better in the afterlife? What's even the point of living then? Enjoy life while you can, don't waste it, regardless of how sure you are you'll get a second one.I am sorry I can't help you much. The most I can do is wish you luck, which is basically nothing. But I wish you all the best anyway. Please, don't let them beat you down. You deserve to enjoy your life. You deserve to listen to or play music if that's what brings you happiness. You deserve to do whatever you want, as long as that doesn't harm others. You deserve to think whatever you want.Don't let anybody tell you otherwise, not your family, teachers, religion. Fortunately, you have access to the internet. You can use it to research things and form your own opinion. Not everything you'll find will be true, but there are plenty of useful resources out there.But please be careful that others don't find out. I don't want you to be punished because of following my advice. Use stuff like private browsing, delete all history, cookies, passwords, etc. Be careful about giving out your real information, such as name or where exactly you live. Privacytools.io has a few good tips for keeping your info private.It won't be easy for you to leave the country. Your family and the culture will be against it, and the blindness will make everything even harder. But I really hope that, if that's what you want to do, you succeed. I hope that you manage to find people that will help you. And I hope that if you do leave, your parents forgive you for it. They were raised to believe in this culture, but maybe, once they see how happy you are, they'll understand your choice. There's likely still good in them. But if there isn't, I hope you're strong enough to realize that your life matters more than following their commands.I wish you all the best, and I think most of the people on this forum do, too. Thank you for sharing your story with us. Be brave, you can do this! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413947/#p413947 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? No, they're not right. Everyone should have the right to freedom. Everyone. No matter who they are, what religion they follow, who they're attracted to, where they live, who they were born to ... everyone!I know, that is far too optimistic. In reality, it's unlikely humanity will ever reach that level of perfection. But it'll get better, I hope.No stupid book, regardless of who it was written by, be it a god or just some random dude (I personally think it's the second, but that's no place for this debate), should restrict your freedom like this. Why would people live a sad, restricted life, hoping that it'll be better in the afterlife? What's even the point of living then? Enjoy life while you can, don't waste it, regardless of how sure you are you'll get a second one.I am sorry I can't help you much. The most I can do is wish you luck, which is basically nothing. But I wish you all the best anyway. Please, don't let them beat you down. You deserve to enjoy your life. You deserve to listen to or play music if that's what brings you happiness. You deserve to do whatever you want, as long as that doesn't harm others. You deserve to think whatever you want.Don't let anybody tell you otherwise, not your family, teachers, religion. Fortunately, you have access to the internet. You can use it to research things and form your own opinion. Not everything you'll find will be true, but there are plenty of useful resources out there.But please be careful that others don't find out. I don't want you to be punished because of following my advice. Use stuff like private browsing, delete all history, cookies, passwords, etc. Be careful about giving out your real information, such as name or where exactly you live. Privacytools.io has a few good tips for keeping your info private.It won't be easy for you to leave the country. Your family and the culture will be against it, and the blindness will make everything even harder. But I really hope that, if that's what you want to do, you succeed. I hope that you manage to find people that will help you. And I hope that if you do leave, your parents forgive you for it. They were raised to believe in this culture, but maybe, once they see how happy you are, they'll understand your choice. There's likely still good in them. But if there isn't, I hope you're strong enough to realize that your life matters more than following their commands. I wish you all the best, and I think most of the people on this forum do, too. Thank you for sharing your story with us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413947/#p413947 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? @giorgi elbaqidze, he is from Saudi arabia, a vahabi suni country with very strict interpretation of islam.no, as you said the situation is different in other islamic countries, like as you said in Turkey, United arab imarates the level of personal freedom is high. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413940/#p413940 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
2019-02-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? wait wait how? music is not aloud in your countrey? you are in sunizm or shiizm? i asked cause i was sometimes in Turkey, i'm from georgia and i'm christian, but sometimes going in this countrey, this countrey is also islamic, but there is freedom, can listen musics, do everything.How is this possible URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413934/#p413934 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
2019-02-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? wait wait how? music is not aloud in your countrey? you are in sunizm or shiizm? i asked cause i was sometimes in Turkey, i'm from georgia but sometimes going in this countrey, this countrey is also islamic, but there is freedom, can listen musics, do everything.How is this possible URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413934/#p413934 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? I got angry, I couldn't finish reading your post completely.Your situation is very tough man.I live in Iran, Iran is a islamic country too, the government here is based on Shia Islam, but the situation is rapidly changing here. I have my own freedom, have many friends that are thinking openly like me, do the things that I wanna do, of course with my limitations, Of course not as good as people who are living in western countries, but when I look at myself and my society and compare it with the situation in Saudi arabia, Afghanistan and other similar countries like this, I get happy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413918/#p413918 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? Sadly, a lot of us here in the West have come to take our freedoms for granted and many of us don't realize how good we have it. So I appreciate that you posted such a thing so openly. I fear that in the West many of us have it so easy that we don't do anything with our freedoms; we're busy making excuses and not making anything of ourselves. Your post should be distributed widely rather than just posted here, but I think there are physical implications for you if you do this and we would like you to remain safe. I have arguments with people (especially blind) on a regular basis telling them the exact things you've mentioned here and how we actually don't have it as bad as we think we do. Sometimes it seems like in the West we have so few problems we just make up stuff to give ourselves more problems.I think Saudi Arabia is slowly changing based on the election of your new leader and all that (at least we're told here that he's more open minded and things) but alas, it will take the culture a lot of time to catch up.A lot of the things you mentioned I also saw in India when I was there: you live for your parents' honor, and your reputation is everything. So I want you to know that you're not alone in this, but at this point in time India seems to be farther ahead in changing than your country is. In India also they have arranged marriages and, while I was there, I came to know that the marriages are arranged not for the sake of the happiness for the son or daughter who is getting married but only so that the parents have someone to care for them when they become old. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413907/#p413907 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? holy shit...This, this topic right here, shows how god damn fucked up this world can be...I'm really sorry for where your at and hope you find a way out of it, although it doesn't sound like you will... Sadface. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413875/#p413875 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime?
Seeking freedom: a basic right or an unforgivable crime? Hey allI'm a blind person who has been chosen by fate to (unfortunately) live in Saudi Arabia. I have a lot of things to discuss with you and ask you for advice, but I may remember most and forget some.I don't know where to start and from which point I go, but I won't bother you about my story so as not to prolong this topic, but I'll rather first seek to give you a simple background from our third world society.I'm a young man in my twenties, I have my dreams, my ambitions, and of course my personal opinions. I live in a society that I can say is backward, despite the struggle of some to make it civilized, but the members of this society themselves are the ones who make freedom of opinion and lifestyle an enemy under the name of violation of customs and religious teachings.What about my family?I live among a fairly rich traditional family, largely adhering to the Islamic religion and the teachings of the society and its traditions, rejecting differences and opposing customs and lifestyles that differ from what they and the members of this society have been brought up to.I often have to pretend that I agree with them and that I hate freedom and believe in that those who are looking for freedom are just looking for their desires, same happens in almost every family in Saudi Arabia. We do live in a religious roller coaster, imagine if you didn't pray even once (as we do pray 5 times a day), you'll be in a world of trouble. You'll be hated, punished and even had a lot of relationships broken since they'd say this person is bad because he doesn't pray. That happened to one of my friends who declared that he's free in his actions, so some people saw him not praying with them which has caused him a lot of trouble, it has even reached the point that he has been dismissed from his job. Can you imagine that? They say that what the West has from success and civilization is nothing but vulgarity and immorality, and the fact that they are successful in all fields and superior to us is nothing more than an embodiment of the reality that they have this world while we have the afterlife where we will be successful and the West (which believes in love and happiness, and that people are completely free in what they do as long as they don't harm each other which that's being gladly applied nowadays) will go to hell. I won't go into details about religions (nor into what I believe myself) I'm just trying to give you a complete background nonetheless.I live a false life full of lies, hypocrisy, pretend and posturing just to avoid troubles, which made me suffer from depression and psychological problems which I try my best to get rid of and recover. No one in this society (especially my family) can know about my psychological problems, because their response will be: how could you say that? We're giving you money and possessions, you're living in a grace, you should thank god. It seems that the reason is that you are failing in the right of God, so go and pray in order to be psychologically comfortable.Friendship between sexes in my society is a major crime, where no one in any way can take friends of the opposite sex, so I didn't know females except from my relatives only. Therefore, marriage and engagement in my society is a stroke of luck, and even I can't choose my partner. My family is the one who will look for her under certain conditions that will please them, like they don't want the girl who shows her hair, because this is considered a kind of disgrace. Not to mention a lot of various things that I really love finding in my partner, which unfortunately most of them are contrary to the teachings of this society.What about music?Yes, my society fights music too. Music is a kind of disobedience to God in my society's point of view, they fight music a lot, and what makes many traditional people in my society now angry is the spread of music everywhere. Literally they fight music from songs or even musical instruments on their own. We don't study music, and it's a shame to make music out of our liking, which is so, so, so so stupid in my opinion. A funny thing (though painful to me) do you want to offend people in my society? Go and say that music is the food of the soul, and that it's happiness and psychological comfort and has many psychological benefits (which the psychologists have already proven) and see how they will attack you strongly saying: How dare you say that, the Koran is the food of the soul and the happiness and the psychological comfort. Did I say the opposite? Regardless of religious conflicts and the truth of religions, did I offend the Koran and said it was psychologically uncomfortable? I didn't even touch the Koran. What I mentioned above is quite similar to your saying that painkillers are comfort for the body. What minds do I address people? What's the extent of their backwardness? So even music is forbidden in my society, religious
