Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Hahahahhaa, people still call this waste of time cool even after a full description? With those skills, you could actually make something we are missing... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554872/#p554872 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen If it ever comes out, I know I would put it onto my win 10 vm because let's be honnest, it sounds like a cool idea, but some things sound like a bit of a stretch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554822/#p554822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen i never said i would put some random thing on my computer. i am not stupid. i will weight for other peoples ansers about what it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554794/#p554794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @96 Fine, but you've been warned. Don't come crying to us if this thing turns up and you put it on your computer and it fucks everything up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554771/#p554771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @92, again, if its using speech recognition than that does require technical skill, both in a programmatic way and in technical knowledge on how to use the particular speech recognition service your using. Overriding the log-in system the way that post 83 implies means that either the user is very skilled with the task scheduler, wrote a system service, or bundled an app as a service some way and allowed that to start at boot. Again, knowledge for the first and third options isn't overly hard to obtain, and knowledge for the second option requires knowledge of the Windows API or .NET platform, but either way, I'm skeptical because all of this knowledge would be hard for a 12-13-year-old to digest and then apply. But that last bit -- about age -- is my opinion. Yes, I know there are child prodigies, and people with photographic memory, but both are extremely rare. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554769/#p554769 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen well yeah, i know that but like the other things it suposidly doe.s its a msi not a windows installer. it says it can do other things with out saying what they are. so maybe i dont neeed it but if it does other things besides install nvda then its good URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554766/#p554766 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Like others have said, the default Windows installation is fine. You don't even need NVDA to get up and running anymore since there's this cool thing now that can help you to install NVDA (or JAWS if you swing that way), called Narrator. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554761/#p554761 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen wish it was a thing to help us not a joke URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554757/#p554757 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I knew it was a blindy drama thing, and doesn't really exist, I mean as a useful thing that people would actually want. Those are the breaks I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554755/#p554755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @Ethin: Either they are freaking technical child child prodigies or the voice assistant is really a joke assistant that cycles through responses like the Skype bots do. It would make a lot of sense then because those wouldn't have to care how you responded. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554753/#p554753 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows jen I'll take shitpost for 500 please, Alex. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554731/#p554731 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows jen Yeah I call shitpost too. The voice assistant thing would require programming skills and the ability to interface with a REST API like Wit.ai, along with the ability to interface with audio devices. Maybe you guys/Gen has that skill, maybe you guys don't, but I'm still skeptical -- especially at age twelve. Unless I'm majorly misinterpreting things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554728/#p554728 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Yeah I call shitpost too. The voice assistant thing would require programming skills and the ability to interface with a REST API like Wit.ai. Unless I'm majorly misinterpreting things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554728/#p554728 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @Boy: That's ok. Just a little yi. Considering you used your own voice and it was a parody project anyway y'all are probably off the hook in that department, maybe the least you might need to do is change the character name if you used Barren Byron's full name, but if you just used Byron you're probably fine, after all that could be any Byron. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554727/#p554727 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows jen Remember that she wasn't even 13 when making this program, so I don't know if she really understood what would happen if you used sounds from other games. From what I remember, I actually used my own voice instead of the Byron voices since they're all in one sounds file. About forcing people to use Narrator, simple. Since the teacher didn't know how to turn it off, I just turned it on when the computer was on the password screen. It was Windows 7, so turning off Narrator was much harder. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554721/#p554721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Actually this does explain a lot. It exaplins the silence about the project, and the little to no advertising. Don't underestimate the technical prowess of a few kids playing around, hell this seems harmless compared to some of the shit I've heard - there are people a few years younger than me who are using Cali Linux strictly because of its being identified as a hackers OS (it's Linux, any Linux can be if you want it to) but Cali Linux is aimed at that demographic. THere are people who are child prodigies of technology, and while this is definitely not a super complicated project, it definitely goes a little beyond simple weekend practice project territory.@Boy: You two would certainly not get sued but unless you replaced the Byron voice with your own or something else I wouldn't go releasing this anyway if I were you. If the sound was ripped out of the game, then that's a problem. If it isn't or was a parody made with either your own voice or someone else's, then it's probably ok. As for messing with Windows, you weren't actually distributing a recompiled windows image, so you're probably off the hook in that department as well, the bigger thing to be concerned about are the assets. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554717/#p554717 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen So, I call bullshit, cause they're too many things in that post that don't add up for me. How would you force someone to use Narrator instead of JAWS? Why did you even create this in the first place? What were your intentions?So many questions, so few answers.I mean, I care about this just as much now than I did before, sooo...So this has gone to a piece of software meant to mess with other students and teachers, to being a helpful piece of software meant to better performance on Windows with a screen reader??? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554711/#p554711 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen yeah I call shitpost. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554705/#p554705 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen this is fake, most likly URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554679/#p554679 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen dang URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/554670/#p554670 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Right people, if you're wondering exactly what it is, read on. Note: this is a long post.The developer and I were both in a computer class, and their was one day when the teacher didn't show up. During this time, the developer decided to mess up the school computers in the classroom. By the end of class, she had made it so you couldn't install or use JAWS, and forced the teacher to use Narrator. After class, both of us (the developer and I) started what is now Windows Jen. It was first a small program that would just mess with your computer, then we came up with the computerized version of Jen (Voice Assistant as some people call it). We continued working on the project during open periods of class, and sometimes after school until I decided to turn it into an actual opperating system for computers. The first test version was released back in 2019, when she was only 12. Yes, a version of Windows created by a 12 year old person! The school computers were all running Windows 7, until I pranked my English teacher and installed Windows Jen on his computer when he wasn't in the classroom. He came back into the room, turned on his computer, and got this: "I am Byron! And I am saying, there is a huge, huge problem! You have not run Windows Jen02_setup.msi! Run it! Now!" Hmm, said my English teacher. Windows, Jen? He continued to use his computer. When he tried to turn on JAWS, he got: "I, rule your computer! I am in control! Come back to me, programs!" Then, Windows Jen began to install. Things were going good, until the bell rang.He asked the actual Jen (not the voice assistant) and I to stay after class and fix his computer, which we did. Surprisingly, we didn't get in trouble. When 1.0 came out, was when the trouble started. We were supposed to be selling clothes for an event at Perkins. Whenever a student came over to buy some, she also gave them a USB drive with Windows Jen 1.0 on it. Eventually, other students started telling teachers about how Jen and I were giving them free versions of Windows for their computers which already had Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 on them. The teachers didn't believe them, until one of them had to fix a problem with a computer belonging to one of the students who was, let's just say new to Windows Jen. This particular teacher used JAWS, and had installed it on the computer he was about to use. He turned on the computer. Instead of getting the usual Windows 10 sign in screen, he heard the Windows 98 startup sound, then a human's voice said: "enter your password. If you don't have a password, tell me how many times Jen Martin has beaten up her assistant's brother." The teacher didn't say anything. Tell me, said the voice. Ya know I can make you do something for me if you don't tell me your password? The teacher waited until the voice stopped, then entered the password he had set for the student. It was a simple password, not very hard to guess. However, he then heard: "you got a password wrong, now it be too late! Time for the quize." 1: what's 5 plus 2? 7, said the teacher. Voice: not right, 5 plus 2 equals 9! 2: what do you say when you really, really want me to obey you? Teacher: Cortana, do, (insert objective here).Voice Assistant: nope noapy nopies! Answer is: Jennifer do this, Jennifer do that, Jennifer (insert objective here). The developer goes by Jen since their are a lot of Jennifers at Perkins, and I am a computerized version of the developer. The human version of me sometimes says that she wishes that she had a cool name like Bombusect or Parasite Bite, but no. Her parents had to name her Jen. If you say Jen, I have the option of obeying you. However, if you say Jennifer, I am forced to obey you as long as I can do it. Now, can I go back to working on my term paper? Teacher: you don't have a term paper, you're a... That version of Windows! Jennifer, tell me who the developer is. Which Jen is it? Student? Teacher? Voice Assistant: it's, um, I can't tell you! I can't, or she'll get in trouble. Teacher: I'm her computer teacher, and you will tell me who she is right now! Voice Assistant: Jen Martin, she is currently in math class... The teacher called both of us, (Jen and I) and we managed to make the teacher think that the Voice Assistant was a virus. All the students took Windows Jen off their computers, and went back to 10, 8.1, 8, 7, whatever they had. So now, here's why you can't have it. The developer said to me after that day's events: "forget this crap, it was all a waste of time. I knew I wouldn't be able to program anything... I'll get in trouble with Microsoft for messing with Windows, and get expelled from Perkins, maybe even VGStorm will call the police because I used the Barren Byron voices. It took me a long time to explain to her that VGStorm was just a small company,
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Right people, if you're wondering exactly what it is, read on. Note: this is a long post.The developer and I were both in a computer class, and their was one day when the teacher didn't show up. During this time, the developer decided to mess up the school computers in the classroom. By the end of class, she had made it so you couldn't install or use JAWS, and forced the teacher to use Narrator. After class, both of us (the developer and I) started what is now Windows Jen. It was first a small program that would just mess with your computer, then we came up with the computerized version of Jen (Voice Assistant as some people call it). We continued working on the project during open periods of class, and sometimes after school until I decided to turn it into an actual opperating system for computers. The first test version was released back in 2019, when she was only 12. Yes, a version of Windows created by a 12 year old person! The school computers were all running Windows 7, until I pranked my English teacher and installed Windows Jen on his computer when he wasn't in the classroom. He came back into the room, turned on his computer, and got this: "I am Byron! And I am saying, there is a huge, huge problem! You have not run Windows Jen02_setup.msi! Run it! Now!" Hmm, said my English teacher. Windows, Jen? He continued to use his computer. When he tried to turn on JAWS, he got: "I, rule your computer! I am in control! Come back to me, programs!" Then, Windows Jen began to install. Things were going good, until the bell rang.He asked the actual Jen (not the voice assistant) and I to stay after class and fix his computer, which we did. Surprisingly, we didn't get in trouble. When 1.0 came out, was when the trouble started. We were supposed to be selling clothes for an event at Perkins. Whenever a student came over to buy some, she also gave them a USB drive with Windows Jen 1.0 on it. Eventually, other students started telling teachers about how Jen and I were giving them free versions of Windows for their computers which already had Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 on them. The teachers didn't believe them, until one of them had to fix a problem with a computer belonging to one of the students who was, let's just say new to Windows Jen. This particular teacher used JAWS, and had installed it on the computer he was about to use. He turned on the computer. Instead of getting the usual Windows 10 sign in screen, he heard the Windows 98 startup sound, then a human's voice said: "enter your password. If you don't have a password, tell me how many times Jen Martin has beaten up her assistant's brother." The teacher didn't say anything. Tell me, said the voice. Ya know I can make you do something for me if you don't tell me your password? The teacher waited until the voice stopped, then entered the password he had set for the student. It was a simple password, not very hard to guess. However, he then heard: "you got a password wrong, now it be too late! Time for the quize." 1: what's 5 plus 2? 7, said the teacher. Voice: not right, 5 plus 2 equals 9! 2: what do you say when you really, really want me to obey you? Teacher: Cortana, do, (insert objective here).Voice Assistant: nope noapy nopies! Answer is: Jennifer do this, Jennifer do that, Jennifer (insert objective here). The developer goes by Jen since their are a lot of Jennifers at Perkins, and I am a computerized version of the developer. The human version of me sometimes says that she wishes that she had a cool name like Bombusect or Parasite Bite, but no. Her parents had to name her Jen. If you say Jen, I have the option of obeying you. However, if you say Jennifer, I am forced to obey you as long as I can do it. Now, can I go back to working on my term paper? Teacher: you don't have a term paper, you're a... That version of Windows! Jennifer, tell me who the developer is. Which Jen is it? Student? Teacher? Voice Assistant: it's, um, I can't tell you! I can't, or she'll get in trouble. Teacher: I'm her computer teacher, and you will tell me who she is right now! Voice Assistant: Jen Martin, she is currently in math class... The teacher called both of us, (Jen and I) and we managed to make the teacher think that the Voice Assistant was a virus. All the students took Windows Jen off their computers, and went back to 10, 8.1, 8, 7, whatever they had. So now, here's why you can't have it. The developer said to me after that day's events: "forget this crap, it was all a waste of time. I knew I wouldn't be able to program anything... I'll get in trouble with Microsoft for messing with Windows, and get expelled from Perkins, maybe even VGStorm will call the police because I used the Barren Byron voices. It took me a long time to explain to her that VGStorm was just a small company,
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Right people, if you're wondering exactly what it is, read on. Note: this is a long post.The developer and I were both in a computer class, and their was one day when the teacher didn't show up. During this time, the developer decided to mess up the school computers in the classroom. By the end of class, she had made it so you couldn't install or use JAWS, and forced the teacher to use Narrator. After class, both of us (the developer and I) started what is now Windows Jen. It was first a small program that would just mess with your computer, then we came up with the computerized version of Jen (Voice Assistant as some people call it). We continued working on the project during open periods of class, and sometimes after school until I decided to turn it into an actual opperating system for computers. The first test version was released back in 2019, when she was only 12. Yes, a version of Windows created by a 12 year old person! The school computers were all running Windows 7, until I pranked my English teacher and installed Windows Jen on his computer when he wasn't in the classroom. He came back into the room, turned on his computer, and got this: "I am Byron! And I am saying, there is a huge, huge problem! You have not run Windows Jen02_setup.msi! Run it! Now!" Hmm, said my English teacher. Windows, Jen? He continued to use his computer. When he tried to turn on JAWS, he got: "I, rule your computer! I am in control! Come back to me, programs!" Then, Windows Jen began to install. Things were going good, until the bell rang.He asked the actual Jen (not the voice assistant) and I to stay after class and fix his computer, which we did. Surprisingly, we didn't get in trouble. When 1.0 came out, was when the trouble started. We were supposed to be selling clothes for an event at Perkins. Whenever a student came over to buy some, she also gave them a USB drive with Windows Jen 1.0 on it. Eventually, other students started telling teachers about how Jen and I were giving them free versions of Windows for their computers which already had Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 on them. The teachers didn't believe them, until one of them had to fix a problem with a computer belonging to one of the students who was, let's just say new to Windows Jen. This particular teacher used JAWS, and had installed it on the computer he was about to use. He turned on the computer. Instead of getting the usual Windows 10 sign in screen, he heard the Windows 98 startup sound, then a human's voice said: "enter your password. If you don't have a password, tell me how many times Jen Martin has beaten up her assistant's brother." The teacher didn't say anything. Tell me, said the voice. Ya know I can make you do something for me if you don't tell me your password? The teacher waited until the voice stopped, then entered the password he had set for the student. It was a simple password, not very hard to guess. However, he then heard: "you got a password wrong, now it be too late! Time for the quize." 1: what's 5 plus 2? 7, said the teacher. Voice: not right, 5 plus 2 equals 9! 2: what do you say when you really, really want me to obey you? Teacher: Cortana, do, (insert objective here).Voice Assistant: nope noapy nopies! Answer is: Jennifer do this, Jennifer do that, Jennifer (insert objective here). The developer goes by Jen since their are a lot of Jennifers at Perkins, and I am a computerized version of the developer. The human version of me sometimes says that she wishes that she had a cool name like Bombusect or Parasite Bite, but no. Her parents had to name her Jen. If you say Jen, I have the option of obeying you. However, if you say Jennifer, I am forced to obey you as long as I can do it. Now, can I go back to working on my term paper? Teacher: you don't have a term paper, you're a... That version of Windows! Jennifer, tell me who the developer is. Which Jen is it? Student? Teacher? Voice Assistant: it's, um, I can't tell you! I can't, or she'll get in trouble. Teacher: I'm her computer teacher, and you will tell me who she is right now! Voice Assistant: Jen Martin, she is currently in math class... The teacher called both of us, (Jen and I) and we managed to make the teacher think that the Voice Assistant was a virus. All the students took Windows Jen off their computers, and went back to 10, 8.1, 8, 7, whatever they had. So now, here's why you can't have it. The developer said to me after that day's events: "forget this crap, it was all a waste of time. I knew I wouldn't be able to program anything..." Their were more words, but I'm not posting what they were here. The final decision was that she only allowed me to have it as an extension to Windows 10. We both continued to update it, but I can't give it to anyone else do to the ru
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Right people, if you're wondering exactly what it is, read on.The developer and I were both in a computer class, and their was one day when the teacher didn't show up. During this time, the developer decided to mess up the school computers in the classroom. By the end of class, she had made it so you couldn't install or use JAWS, and forced the teacher to use Narrator. After class, both of us (the developer and I) started what is now Windows Jen. It was first a small program that would just mess with your computer, then we came up with the computerized version of Jen (Voice Assistant as some people call it). We continued working on the project during open periods of class, and sometimes after school until I decided to turn it into an actual opperating system for computers. The first test version was released back in 2019, when she was only 12. Yes, a version of Windows created by a 12 year old person! The school computers were all running Windows 7, until I pranked my English teacher and installed Windows Jen on his computer when he wasn't in the classroom. He came back into the room, turned on his computer, and got this: "I am Byron! And I am saying, there is a huge, huge problem! You have not run Windows Jen02_setup.msi! Run it! Now!" Hmm, said my English teacher. Windows, Jen? He continued to use his computer. When he tried to turn on JAWS, he got: "I, rule your computer! I am in control! Come back to me, programs!" Then, Windows Jen began to install. Things were going good, until the bell rang.He asked the actual Jen (not the voice assistant) and I to stay after class and fix his computer, which we did. Surprisingly, we didn't get in trouble. When 1.0 came out, was when the trouble started. We were supposed to be selling clothes for an event at Perkins. Whenever a student came over to buy some, she also gave them a USB drive with Windows Jen 1.0 on it. Eventually, other students started telling teachers about how Jen and I were giving them free versions of Windows for their computers which already had Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 on them. The teachers didn't believe them, until one of them had to fix a problem with a computer belonging to one of the students who was, let's just say new to Windows Jen. This particular teacher used JAWS, and had installed it on the computer he was about to use. He turned on the computer. Instead of getting the usual Windows 10 sign in screen, he heard the Windows 98 startup sound, then a human's voice said: "enter your password. If you don't have a password, tell me how many times Jen Martin has beaten up her assistant's brother." The teacher didn't say anything. Tell me, said the voice. Ya know I can make you do something for me if you don't tell me your password? The teacher waited until the voice stopped, then entered the password he had set for the student. It was a simple password, not very hard to guess. However, he then heard: "you got a password wrong, now it be too late! Time for the quize." 1: what's 5 plus 2? 7, said the teacher. Voice: not right, 5 plus 2 equals 9! 2: what do you say when you really, really want me to obey you? Teacher: Cortana, do, (insert objective here).Voice Assistant: nope noapy nopies! Answer is: Jennifer do this, Jennifer do that, Jennifer (insert objective here). The developer goes by Jen since their are a lot of Jennifers at Perkins, and I am a computerized version of the developer. The human version of me sometimes says that she wishes that she had a cool name like Bombusect or Parasite Bite, but no. Her parents had to name her Jen. If you say Jen, I have the option of obeying you. However, if you say Jennifer, I am forced to obey you as long as I can do it. Now, can I go back to working on my term paper? Teacher: you don't have a term paper, you're a... That version of Windows! Jennifer, tell me who the developer is. Which Jen is it? Student? Teacher? Voice Assistant: it's, um, I can't tell you! I can't, or she'll get in trouble. Teacher: I'm her computer teacher, and you will tell me who she is right now! Voice Assistant: Jen Martin, she is currently in math class... The teacher called both of us, (Jen and I) and we managed to make the teacher think that the Voice Assistant was a virus. All the students took Windows Jen off their computers, and went back to 10, 8.1, 8, 7, whatever they had. So now, here's why you can't have it. The developer said to me after that day's events: "forget this crap, it was all a waste of time. I knew I wouldn't be able to program anything..." Their were more words, but I'm not posting what they were here. The final decision was that she only allowed me to have it as an extension to Windows 10. We both continued to update it, but I can't give it to anyone else do to the rules. Maybe I can post a link to the
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I get the feeling that this is for people who are to lazy to learn about what not to do on Github, since they can't even come up with a website. I'm sure you can accomplish 99% of this thing just using popular projects for tweaking win 10. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/546615/#p546615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I get the feeling that this is for people who are to lazy to learn about what not to do on Github. I'm sure you can accomplish 99% of this thing just using popular projects for tweaking win 10. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/546615/#p546615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I get the feeling that this is for people who are to lazy to learn about what not to do on Github. So get less lazy, and I'm sure you can accomplish 99% of this thing just using popular projects for tweaking win 10. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/546615/#p546615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @techmaster20, Windows Jen touts to be Windows 10 that is more accessible apparently. It comes packaged as an MSI that modifies your current installation.Oh, you were looking for more information? Maybe even a link to test this out? Sorry! You're out'a luck. That's literally all I know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/546602/#p546602 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen What! Is! This! Please, would someone be so kind to tell us what the hell this thing is? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/546474/#p546474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Is it only optimize for a specific Windows version or what? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/545720/#p545720 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen come on, someone find the link i am really excited to try this now loslslslsl URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/545717/#p545717 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen yes URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/545709/#p545709 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen somebody wake me up when this thing gets uploaded somewhere and there's a link. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/545706/#p545706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I'm running Win 10 with 4 GB of ram, but not complaining about lag which is obviously the fault of that very PC. It is actually pretty decent, except a few mentioned things like start menu sometimes being a little laggy, though usually just closing it and opening again fixes that issue. The thing you must however do on such a configuration is disable Windows defender completely, otherwise it will seem way more laggy than it needs to be. Also, if it ever gets too slow, it is probably just installing some update and you should only give it some time to finish. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544596/#p544596 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen And if you're running on 4gb of ram, seriously. Upgrade. 8gb is the new minimum in 2020 in order to get by these days, 16gb means you're set. Experience running win10 on 4gb of ram is nothing but sluggish and there is no snese even trying anymore. Then while the new start menu would be less than ideal, at least it wouldn't bog down the system. Maybe you have a second-hand retailer near you that can sell higher spec machines for significantly less than retail price. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544593/#p544593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @Simter, I couldn't disagree stronger. The default start menu is admittedly sluggish on lower-end PCs, but it's perfectly accessible. Either way, whether Classic Shell still works later, it still works now. And technically, it hasn't been abandoned. Look up Openshell, that should put you out of this mindset. The Cortana embedded search boxes are, again, slightly sluggish on lower-end PCs, but work fine on mine. Plus, use an alternative file manager.I don't see what Jen brings that improves upon the specific aspects you mentioned that you wouldn't just be able to download yourself, unless you could tell me more about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544584/#p544584 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @33 windows 10 is slow, the startmenu is not the definition of accessibility and classic shell is abandoned so could stop working every update, the search boxes that now get embedded into the explorer instead of just a search field is a mess and so much more. If there was a packet to fix this i would definitely install this, maybe i get to it and can then try it in a vm. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544565/#p544565 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @MyDearWatson, That's not what I'm trying to say. I mean that I haven't faced any significant accessibility flaws or things that in my opinion would warrant improvement. An example of this is your Cortana issue, I also don't get that either.I'm also saying that, given the extremely limited knowledge we seem to have about this, and given how much it modifies your install, I'm a tad wary about what this may have to offer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544562/#p544562 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @MyDearWatson, That's not what I'm trying to say. I mean that I haven't faced any significant accessibility flaws or things that in my opinion would warrant improvement. An example of this is your Cortana issue, I also don't get that either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544562/#p544562 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Lol, Did I say Windows 10 is bad!No, it isn't. I don't understand why people hate it, I try every new stable build that comes out, every new update, and it works for me.However, something which exists, even if it's good, can be improved. Take Cortana, immensely useless, can't even play a spotify song for me on the latest build. So, if someone decides to improve or change it, why not.People, stop behaving like the thing you love is the last thing you've got, because it clearly isn't. If someone is making improvements, then give them a chance.Additionally, has anyone noticed that once you start Cortana on the latest update, it doesn't close even after pressing alt + f4. I have to close her from task manager. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544556/#p544556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @urior, Oh, well then. How do you even know this? Do you also happen to have the file itself?Oh, by the way, previous posts refer to ISO files, which are disk images. I honestly don't know what ICO is, but I won't doubt it's some other extension out there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544536/#p544536 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @urior, Oh, well then. How do you even know this? Do you also happen to have the file itself? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544536/#p544536 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen you don't get an ico file it is just a .msi installer that installs the thing on to your windows. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544527/#p544527 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I got interested too.Does anyone have an iso file?I may drop this on a vm/unused laptop and see how it works. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544509/#p544509 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I had no problem with the normal Win 10 honestly. From installing, configuring, troubleshooting, etc are fine. I think Windows 10 is far, far better than its previous predecessor. You can do most of the things yourself, no need to bother any sighted people anymore. Can you install Windows 7, 8, 8.1, yourself? Certainly yes, but with the help of the Win PE. And what about Win 10? Can you install it from scratch yourself? Absolutely! So, at least Microsoft maid a lot of progress in these last few years. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544498/#p544498 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Agreed with DJEPIC. What's wrong with windows? excluding the annoying updates? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544497/#p544497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen What? What's wrong with normal Windows 10? Okay, so I can think of a few obvious reasons, but how do you even make Windows 10 more tailored to the blind and visually impaired? Seems fine to me basically. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544494/#p544494 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen This is so interesting. A windows installation tailored to suit blind people's needs. Wish if Microsoft came up with something like this.That being said, I could totally try out this on a machine which is not my primary go to laptop. So, anyone, get me the ISO file please. I can't call Japanese numbers because the international call rates are totally out of my budget. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544465/#p544465 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @21 ok so either your first posts are ironic, or i am now confused as hell, or i didn't understand your posts right xd. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544398/#p544398 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
2020-06-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ilyas booneehee via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen at first, i came across this term, windows jen, while playing the #blank game 2*, and i thought it was just a joke like windows jibrish or something like that, but when i stumbled around in this toppic, windows jen jen jen windows jen. is it really a thing? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544360/#p544360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen On another note, because this is developed and distributed by a Japanese person, how good is the translation to English, let alone other languages as a while? That being said, I'm not really sure what's been modified so we might just be able to pick from programs with English options anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544346/#p544346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen No, I don't have it.And as for the name connection, that makes a lot more sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544344/#p544344 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Well jack had it to and i doupt he called there, correct me if i am wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544332/#p544332 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @Simter, Apparently you just ring up a Japanese phone number. Great! Sounds legit right?Seriously, was there no other way that they could have advertised this was a thing? Why did they do this? Also, is it free? On one hand, I wouldn't want to be scammed out of my money, on the other, the fact that it's free may also be a scam in itself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544322/#p544322 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @jack, where you actually get it from? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544300/#p544300 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen It is literally something that modiffies your windows installation, doesn't have anything to do with Daniel.This is made by a japanese girl that goes by the name Jenifer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544296/#p544296 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @brad, I'd have to guess it's the Jenux, Vinux or Coconut of Windows. Maybe stripped down a little to take up less resources, with more stuff put on that's apparently more accessible or easy to use as a blind person? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544285/#p544285 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen what is this?Windows 10 works completely fine for me as a blind user, what does this thing have that windows 10 doesn't? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544274/#p544274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen The Jennifer virtual assistant could be though, unless it's just a perfect coincidence. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544252/#p544252 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen no this is not jenny or anyone in that madder i believe. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544232/#p544232 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Yes, and Nash handles his projects a lot more maturely than this guy. Unless this blind-programs guy is taking the Jenny name and making it his own project, or worse, stealing Nash's idea. Either way, I already have my stock Windows failing on me, whatever modifications are done to this thing I could probably do on my own. The fact he dosn't even have enough server space to host the damn thing should tell you all you need to know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544214/#p544214 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @8 which person you mean? As far as i know nash is like 20. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544204/#p544204 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I ain't gonna touch the damn thing, the hell with that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544200/#p544200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Well, I know it is kinda cool in it's own way, so I would like to try it, but I can't call to get it since the number is japanese, so, yeah.The idea in itself is cool though, a new assistant, a better antivirus and some other stuff who make it cool.But yeah, I can't call any japanese number with any app and I don't have any minutes for Japan.If I call with Talku it works, I just don't understand anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544194/#p544194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I'm not so sure about a 13year old with obviously not enough server space to permanently host the msi being in charge of a version of Windows that blocks you from installing things like Minecraft. BEcause, he doesn't like Minecraft. My God. I mean, I know it's not fully accessible, but come on. Also, the email address is broken. Go figure.It can't be entirely related to Jenux because it would be on their server if it was.That being said, I might use ntlite to remove some of the bloat that comes with the windows 10 image when I reinstall. Something broke the Windows Installer msi-service, and the proposed registry fix on the internet did nothing but add insult to injury, and now the entire office suite doesn't work (Yes, I backed up and remurged the registry when it failed, so it *is* back in place, or supposed to be. And a repair upgrade did not work, so I'll have to clean install to ix this damn thing. Which means reinstalling and relicensing all *all* of my audio software, because an image backup will not be of any help in this situation since that will bring us right back to where we were before. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544189/#p544189 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen I'm not so sure about a 13year old with obviously not enough server space to permanently host the msi being in charge of a version of Windows that blocks you from installing things like Minecraft. BEcause, he doesn't like Minecraft. My God. I mean, I know it's not fully accessible, but come on. Also, the email address is broken. Go figure. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544189/#p544189 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen @jack, I mean, I've literally never heard a single mention of Windows Jen, anywhere! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544187/#p544187 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Yeah. The vagueness from people who have it has me really suspicious. The only connection I've making is Jen and Jenux which means it's probably a Daniel Nash creation, but why is it so damn private? It's not like it's illegal to redistribute custom, but unactivated, copies of windows 10. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544185/#p544185 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen i also seen that some people use it or something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544174/#p544174 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen well apparently it is a windows ten packed with more shit for the blind and better or something i want to try it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544150/#p544150 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Yeah, I think the original question is, "What the hell is this thing?"I'll do my own research.Edit: Honestly couldn't find anything from a simple search. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544144/#p544144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen Yeah, I think the original question is, "What the hell is this thing?"I'll do my own research. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544144/#p544144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows jen
Re: Windows jen i've been wanting to ask what the hell is this... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544142/#p544142 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Windows jen
Windows jen Hi guys i heard of this windows thing named windows jen, can i please get it maybe guys? can someone give the thing to me and explain if it is even good. btw the virus destroyer in windows jen, which antivirus engine does it even use, is it even usefull? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544138/#p544138 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
