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Re: and the Britain High Court says... I dont think this will be allowed to happen in the UK. Otherwise they will be dealing with massive protests. Music piracy is one of those which can go on very easily and smoothly. You can type, for example, Ellie goulding - love me like you do mp3 download on google and Im sure you will find a huge list of results showing you the track free to download. Whats more, theres a countless number of youtube downloaders both online and computer or mobile programs. You already know that every artist publishes his track on youtube first, so everyone who wishes to download his track can do it trouble-free. And what about the music we own on our computers? There are people who love music and they have up to 2000 or 3000 songs in their computers, and the chance to upload them somewhere is not missed because as I said, there is a large number of internet websites which serve free music.Sometimes these people look like having a huge desire for mayhem. This also happens in my country, where a politician or the high court proposes new laws, or changes to the existing ones, and after the society spread in protests, they take back what theyve said. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226873#p226873 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... I dont think this will be allowed to happen in the UK. Otherwise they will be dealing with massive protests. Music piracy is one of those which can go on very easily and smoothly. You can type, for example, Ellie goulding - love me like you do mp3 download on google and Im sure you will find a huge list of results showing you the track free of download. Whats more, theres a countless number of youtube downloaders both online and computer or mobile programs. You already know that every artist publishes his track on youtube first, so everyone who wishes to download his track can do it trouble-free. And what about the music we own on our computers? There are people who love music and they have up to 2000 or 3000 songs in their computers, and the chance to upload them somewhere is not missed because as I said, there is a large number of internet websites which serve free music.Sometimes these people look like having a huge desire for mayhem. This also happens in my country, where a politician or the high court proposes new laws, or changes to the existing ones, and after the society spreads in protests, they take back what theyve said. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226873#p226873 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... @Jack, No problem with m4a format, though as I recall there was nothing in the my documents music folder even when I tried. Still, not being able to get the actual files out of it was only part of why I stopped using Itunes, which is another topic. Ill also note that Amazon is actually one of the worst offenders of markup and screwing over people who actually use them to sell things, indeed Ive met several people from a guy I know who is a prog rock singer to restaurants and even a studio recording service who have ended up in really bad financial trouble sinse Amazon is literally taking three quarters of anything they sell just for the privilige of advertising and redistribution.I always think it is an irony that the beginning of copywrite law was the fact that so many people in the 16th century were writing unauthorized sequels to Gullivers travels John Swift complained to the government sinse he didnt want his views misrepresented. Yet, Swif t himself was definitely against materialism and the restriction of information and would probably be appauled to think where his comparatively innocent complaint has gone. Technology and freedom has always caused problems and there have always been those in power (financial power as well as political), who have tried to restrict it, look at how the owners of the railway companies in America in the early 20th century tried to restrict sale of the motorcar, published lots of smear campaigns about car use and tried to lobby the American Congress into making cars illegal in some states sinse car ownership obviously took away from their monopoly on transport. The only worrying bit is that now the companies are far more powerful and think that they actually have the right to interfere in peoples personal lives, it would be like if those railway owners actually started employing security guards to go and put clamps on peoples cars to force them to use the train.There are far too many people who have even got into a the company is god type setup, for example I was horrified a few months ago when someone told me after I expressed irritation at a restriction on copywrite use and software, well you signed the agreement so you agreed to that restriction, dont blaime the company they just want what is best for their customers Scary indeed! Whether this will be resolved or not well see.I dont want to get into the hole piracy thing because it inevitably turns into a flame war of one sort or another, I just bought up the point before someone else said oh well if you dont support copywrite what about all those mod warnings about cracks? I do try myself to remain morally consistant, even if not always legally so, one reason why for example I donated to wikipedia yesterday (given how much I use the thing), but also used pontes downloader to get a song off youtube.Its the same way that I have taken cannabis in the past despite that being technically illegal. Indeed this all goes back to John Stewart Mill, be free to do what you want so long as you dont harm others or restrict their freedom doing so. Ill also say on a level of personal irony it always amuses me when these fortune 500 companies whos share holders and boards of directors are on fie figure salaries and have stupidly extravagant lifestyles, start bleeting about the nasty nasty evil people taking their precious revenue away. Oh the poor, poor executives, whats wrong will they not be able to afford that fifth house or that five thousand dollar designer jacket? How terrible!Indeed Ill just let This song from Weerd al make my point, sinits hilarious, a song which quite intentionally was never on any of Weerd Als albums and could only ! ever be freely downloaded. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226883#p226883 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... @Jack, No problem with m4a format, though as I recall there was nothing in the my documents music folder even when I tried. Still, not being able to get the actual files out of it was only part of why I stopped using Itunes, which is another topic. Ill also note that Amazon is actually one of the worst offenders of markup and screwing over people who actually use them to sell things, indeed Ive met several people from a guy I know who is a prog rock singer to restaurants and even a studio recording service who have ended up in really bad financial trouble sinse Amazon is literally taking three quarters of anything they sell just for the privilige of advertising and redistribution.I always think it is an irony that the beginning of copywrite law was the fact that so many people in the 16th century were writing unauthorized sequels to Gullivers travels John Swift complained to the government sinse he didnt want his views misrepresented. Yet, Swif t himself was definitely against materialism and the restriction of information and would probably be appauled to think where his comparatively innocent complaint has gone. Technology and freedom has always caused problems and there have always been those in power (financial power as well as political), who have tried to restrict it, look at how the owners of the railway companies in America in the early 20th century tried to restrict sale of the motorcar, published lots of smear campaigns about car use and tried to lobby the American Congress into making cars illegal in some states sinse car ownership obviously took away from their monopoly on transport. The only worrying bit is that now the companies are far more powerful and think that they actually have the right to interfere in peoples personal lives, it would be like if those railway owners actually started employing security guards to go and put clamps on peoples cars to force them to use the train.There are far too many people who have even got into a the company is god type setup, for example I was horrified a few months ago when someone told me after I expressed irritation at a restriction on copywrite use and software, well you signed the agreement so you agreed to that restriction, dont blaime the company they just want what is best for their customers Scary indeed! Whether this will be resolved or not well see.I dont want to get into the hole piracy thing because it inevitably turns into a flame war of one sort or another, I just bought up the point before someone else said oh well if you dont support copywrite what about all those mod warnings about cracks? I do try myself to remain morally consistant, even if not always legally so, one reason why for example I donated to wikipedia yesterday (given how much I use the thing), but also used pontes downloader to get a song off youtube.Its the same way that I have taken cannabis in the past despite that being technically illegal. Indeed this all goes back to John Stewart Mill, be free to do what you want so long as you dont harm others or restrict their freedom doing so. Ill also say on a level of personal aesthetics and irony it always amuses me when these fortune 500 companies whos share holders and boards of directors are on fie figure salaries, who measure their stock in the millions of dollars stard bleating about losing money as i@Jack, No problem with m4a format, though as I recall there was nothing in the my documents music folder even when I tried. Still, not being able to get the actual files out of it was only part of why I stopped using Itunes, which is another topic. I always think it is an irony that the beginning of copywrite law was the fact that so many people in the 16th century were writing unauthorized sequels to Gullivers travels John Swift complained to the government sinse he didnt want his views misrepresented. Yet, Swift himself was definitely against materialism and the restriction of information and would probably be appauled to think where his comparatively innocent complaint has gone. Technology and freedom has always caused problems and there have always been those in power (financial power as well as political), who have tried to restrict it, look at how the owners of the railway companies in America in the early 20th century tried to restrict sale of the motorcar, published lots of smear campaigns about car use and tried to lobby the American Congress into making cars illegal in some states sinse car ownership obviously took away from their monopoly on transport. The only worrying bit is that now the companies are far more powerful and think that they actually have the right to interfere in peoples personal lives, it would be like if t hose railway owners actually started employing security guards to go and put clamps on peoples cars to force them to use the train.There are far too many people who have even got into a the company is god type setup, for example I
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Hello,@dark: oh [[wow]], I didnt know that weird al released this one for free. He did eventually put it on his 2006 album though as well because people liked it so much. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226900#p226900 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Ah, I forgot that one. I do know originally it was on his myspace channel and just there freely available to download for obvious ironic reasons. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226906#p226906 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Hello,This likely wont happen, considering that the government put plans into motion to allow users to rip a copy (that is, one copy) of their cds for backup purposes. Also, the smartphone is the most used device in the UK for online connection, including music streaming services, so I highly doubt this will go into effect because of that. Ploiticians really dont have any idea of the potential of technology, or they are always thnking about worst case scenarios. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226823#p226823 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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and the Britain High Court says... Hey all. Well, I dont live in the UK, but I found this pretty embarrassing. The High Court in Britain has basically propsed to make Itunes completely illegal in the UK. Why, you ask? Not much more needs to be said on my part, because the article pretty much says it all.http://www.macworld.com/article/2960458 … tk.rss_allBasically to put it short, keeping digital copies of your music, even for personal use, is illegal according to some loose legal definition from the UK high-court. This includes ripping cds that you have personally bought or obtained. This to me sounds like another act of pure stupidity, orchestrated by high-and-mighty political pundits who abuse their power, but thats democracy for ya, I guess. Seriously, as long as its for your personal use, ripping a cd hould be no problem. Then again, its politicians twisted view that the digital music industry will make it easy to pirate and/or create more piracy. Yes and no. Yes, it may make it easier to pirate, but its no the system that creats the piracy, its the people using it to pirate music, that create piracy. Digital music sails have been proven successful despite how easy it is to share, especially without drm now. Its naother stupid case of power-abusing politicians that arent quite embracing the 21st century the way todays people do, making laws thinking they know what theyre doing, having no idea what theyre futzing with in the end. Reminds me of the free and open internet slamming law that happened years ago in the US, only much, much worse. Apple could be taken to Court and have to spend tons and tons and tons of money defending iTunes, hell they could even be forced to take it down in the UK. And maybe even GooglePlay Music, Amazon mp3, you name it. Put simply, if this law goes into affect, put simply, the entire digital music industry could be crippled as far as the UK is concerned. Fortunately, its just the high-court proposing this. The UK government isnt thrilled in the least with this law will not be allowed to go into affect until the government gets their final say, so lets hope thy show some decency and see this terrible wrong, and disarm this grenade before the high-court pulls the pin. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226815#p226815 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Hmmm, Im going to have to check this one with my brother, sinse firstly Im not exactly sure which High court is involved here, eg, european court of trade or actually one of the main legislative boddies that proposes legal changes to the government, and secondly the law lords are usually rather more sensible than this.In general with the hole digital music and information thing i personally wish all these fat publishers, Itunes included would stop trying to curtail distributions with drm and other methods and just realize were entering an age where redistribution of information is free, no need to pay book binders and reccord producers anymore, and the basic model in which authors and bands are contracted, often at a basic lump some or at selling the rights directly while some middle management agency sucks in all the prophet from the actual sale of different copies of their work like a great big hoover just wont wash anymore, sinse peopl e could now buy copies directly from the authors or bands themselves, oh but that would not make prophet for the publishers would it!. Copywrite and distribution is such a huge mess generally and what is legal vs what is actually moral are often two very different things, particularly sinse frequently the laws just exist for the safety of the fat coorporations not the creative people who make anything or the fans who consume it. Even if however this is indeed proposed to the government, as Aaron said I really! cant see this one passing or being even vaguely enforceable, though I have to say Ive not got that much sympathy for Itunes, not when Apple themselves make it so hard to intigrate Itunes with anything else or any other device, sinse after all its easy enough to copy music or audio files into! Itunes, getting them out again though that is the question, indeed this is why even before I gave up entirely with Itunes I refused to buy anything th rough the system, sinse if I buy some music or audiobook or whatever that should be mine to play on whatever device I so choose. Then again I fully agree if indeed the law is stating that existing digital cds cant be copied into! Itunes, then its definitely wrong, indeed this is one of the stupid parts of copywrite law, trying to tell people what to do with things they already own. Btw, Ill also say this is why the sites no game cracks policy has only a vague relationship to the law and is about supporting individual developers of audiogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226862#p226862 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Exactly, Dark. And as for drm, as far as I know, unless youre using their subscription service Apple Music, all itunes tracks are completely drm free. Even when tracks were rapped in drm and given the so-called .m4p extention, it wasnt Apple doing this of their own accord, it was the fat recordlabels forcing it on Apple to make drm versions of digital songs. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Now, as for copying your songs outa itunes, your songs are .m4a. If you want to copy them onto a player that supports only .mp3, no problem, theres an mp3 encoder built in to itunes, you just have to turn it on. Do not, do not, use any external converter like gold waves batch conversion utilities to convert to mp3, it wil make the song unplayable. Not drm, but probably a bug with itunes tracks. But the mp3 encoder in Itunes is mostly lossless and the quality doesnt degrade when converting tracks. Its quite tedious though as youll end up with both the mp 3 and m4a versions of those songs in your music folder. And as for pulling your music outa itunes and onto other devices, while itunes may seem slef-contained, your downloaded tracks are inside your my music folder. /documents and settings/yourusername/my music/itunes/itunes media/music should be the default. Its organized by artist and maybe even genre. Back on topic, yes, the copyright laws have pretty much lost all moral integrity altogether. Yeah, we get that artists do wanna protect their rights, completely valid. But they shouldnt be restricting what you can do with music you have already purchased and to which you own the downloaded tracks. Its these big recordlabels that are still squealing though, not all of its Apples doing. Truth be told, Apple is! starting to distribute music from unsigned, independent artists. Even so, artists could always sell their music on a website too, and that way they could even choose any file format. Some artists, particularly indie artists are embracing the lossless flac format, shame not many players support it yet. Im sure these signed artists would love to do such a thing, but the recordlabel is in control of the artist in question, which is the past now. We dont need record producers to be making cds, amazon could keep doing that on their own terms. As for the no cracking policy yes! Its definitely not about the law, more about the respect and support of the devs. People who ask for cracks are going against the site not because we think that the dev in question might go crazy and call a lawsuit on this whole site, but because it goes against the dev creating games for us. Devs dont charge for games so that they can squelch up as much money as they can to have enough of a backbone to win any lawsuit think Microsoft, but simply because! game development costs money. Yeah, bgt might be free, but sound libraries, theres barely any up to par one s that are actually free. Voice actors? Not goin for cheep. So every sail counts as we do not wanna see more devs close or stop selling their games. Weve had it happen to a lot of notable devs. While we cant keep every! dev in line and not close their doors, we oughta just do our part to keep the devs around for as long as manageable, is what we oughta do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226868#p226868 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Exactly, Aaron. And to top that the Government of the UK is not pleased in the least of this action orchestrated by the High-cort. Its, again, Politicians who make laws based on the worst case senario and having no idea what they could be screwing with. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226830#p226830 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Yes it will. Sadly the law has lost all its moral integrity and its more about making money through lawsuits these days. Ugh if only this world wasnt so money-hungry *sigh* URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226841#p226841 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: and the Britain High Court says... Definitely. Even if it gets passed there will be such a huge backlash, probably protests and things. If people start getting arrested in their dozens over this matter it will really make the UK a laughing stock. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=226835#p226835 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
