Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Entirely supported, and thumbs up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300829#p300829 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal You can't compare stolen code to themes in a book, but what you do compare it to is opening 2 separate books and literally 15 pages are identical except for a word here and there. Stolen code is not about game Themes at all, stolen code is about code. I bet the community where ripped and stolen content is normal, doesn't have the original authors as community members. I've also seen groups that are stabbing people in the back for their own benefit/enjoyment, but you don't do that to your own people and expect everything to be fine.Draco, I think the difference between "borrowed" and stolen code would be permission from the developer. Trying to know whether a game is using code from another game comes down to someone pointing out the evidence. That is what happened here in this thread. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300735#p300735 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Same conclusions aprone, nice job. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300778#p300778 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal MODERATIONI apologize that this has taken so long, but there is finally a decision about Desafio Mortal and the question of stolen code.The moderator team has been watching this topic unfold for quite some time. Evidence has been collected and debated from multiple angles, often requiring a large amount of time. While many people here have chosen their sides based on odd bits of evidence, the moderator team has had access to considerably more information than almost everyone here. With that being said, I am not sharing an opinion here, I am sharing a determination based on overwhelming evidence.The developers of Desafio Mortal did in fact use Mason's stolen code. From the very beginning they have lied about using it. It appears they did not know about this forum's rule against using it, and because the stickied thread covering this rule somehow got itself moved, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.The se rvers went offline because the developers decided it would be best to tear out all of the stolen code and recode it themselves. Shame that wasn't done from the very start, but it is a step in the right direction.Megadimensao is not being banned because we must assume that he did not see the forum's stance on using Mason's code before he made his post.Until a future time when Desafio Mortal no longer appears to be using Mason's stolen code, it will not be supported here on this forum. We respect and support our relatively small group of audio game developers, and the theft of their work will not be condoned. As has been said before, we can not and would not try to stop people from playing this game. Anyone that is not bothered by this game's beginnings, is welcome to play the game, but I do ask that it not be distributed here on the message board. Talking about something is fine, but "supporting" it is ano ther thing entirely. If people post actual links to where this game can be downloaded, the links will be removed.I do apologize for how long it took for an official decision to be made. This thread is being closed but not deleted, because for all the drama, plenty of beneficial posts have been made. If another moderator later decides that this thread should be either unlocked or deleted, then they are welcome to make the change. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300738#p300738 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal You can't compare stolen code to themes in a book, but what you do compare it so it opening 2 separate books and literally 15 pages are identical except for a word here and there. Stolen code is not about game Themes at all, stolen code is about code. I bet the community where ripped and stolen content is normal, doesn't have the original authors as community members. I've also seen groups that are stabbing people in the back for their own benefit/enjoyment, but you don't do that to your own people and expect everything to be fine.Draco, I think the difference between "borrowed" and stolen code would be permission from the developer. Trying to know whether a game is using code from another game comes down to someone pointing out the evidence. That is what happened here in this thread. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300735#p300735 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : DracoSelene89 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal But that's often a hard line to discern between borrowed or 'stolen' code.I've dealt with game mods before where people have permission but simply forget to add a credit in a readme file, or forget to say they got permission for X or Y.Conversely, I know of communties (well one genre in particular) where ripped and stolen content is the norm. So, it goes both ways honestly.Also, since you brought up books I'd like to point out that you can't compare stolen code to themes in a book. If two authors write a fantasy novel set in Aincient Greece, is the latter book using 'stolen content' from the first book? No. Because you cannot compare artists, authors, coders, and so forth. Each is different. I say this as a writer myself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300729#p300729 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal A point was made earlier about people finding their feet, borrowing code and ideas from other games in order to make their own better.Okay. Often, artists, be they visual, audio or written, imitate someone when they start. They find their own style and then learn to stop imitating. So to some extent I can understand the nature of using someone else's work to bolster your own.BUT...If you're going to do this, you absolutely, categorically must ask permission first. This is the difference between borrowed code and stolen code. If the creator of the code says it's okay, then you're golden. Okay, you didn't do a hundred percent of the work, but you have a leg up on the people who have done nothing, and you've created a game, and you'll probably get more and more original as time goes by. The reason this game is an issue is because it looks either as if the permission obtained was false, or as if the devs were lying about whatever permission they had. And let's remember also that they did say they made their game from scratch, which we can fairly safely assume isn't true anymore. On these grounds alone, I will no longer consider playing this game or supporting this developer. This is ten kinds of shady and completely unethical.I will not attack the game, attack the developer or otherwise get in their way in any other fashion. I simply won't play the game and won't go out of my way to recommend it to others, until such time that I can be sure of its ethicality. This community is small, and bad ethics are a really excellent way to make legitimate developers, both the pre-existing kind and the hopefuls like myself, run far, far away.In summary: borrowing code, with permission, is something people do all the time, in the mainstream world and in this world. Borrowing code is arguably quite helpful. But there are so, so many better ways to have made a game with Ultra Power source co de outside of stealing it. And contacting Mason personally, as he's the owner of the code, was the first and most important step for virtually all of them. It looks as if this wasn't done.Now, another point was made about audio games emulating video games.Hey, there's a reason video gaming is a billion-dollar industry. It works. Shooters, RPGs, sports games, puzzle games, adventure games, co-op style party games...they all have their niche. I'm not going to say there are no good ideas left, but these ideas do work. You say that aping the mainstream is bad? I disagree heartily. The mainstream is hugely successful, but copying the genres and putting a blind spin on them, so to speak, is an excellent idea. Look at A Hero's Call just as one example. There are hundreds of western RPGs from which this game loosely borrows. Nothing wrong with that. Ditto Entombed. Ditto Super Liam. Ditto all kinds of games that were or are popular.What we want t o do is emulate the genre without totally ripping it off. I'd be a fool to create a game called Time Trigger with characters named Cronus, Marla, Robbo, Lucille, Aela, Frogger and magnus, where the earth was being threatened by an enormous beast called Lavis. That would be a blatant rip-off. But if I were, say, to make an RPG with seven characters, where your main goal was to collect seven elementals? That, by itself, is nowhere near the same kind of rip-off, because within that framework I'd be sure to make my game its own original thing. Characters would be unique and would have depth. The world would be fleshed out. Magic and skills would be unique and interesting. Bosses would challenge you and make you think. So any vague resemblance to some other game you might have played, because you're in an RPG and on a quest with your friends, quickly pales next to everything else.We'd be fools to turn our back entirely on the mainstream. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300728#p300728 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : Sean-Terry01 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Ok, so, am I to assume that game is no longer on like? I'm unable to connect. Is this from stolen code? Really wanted to try it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300721#p300721 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal [[wow]] Aprone post 452 was perfect! People really need to read it, and understand What this is about. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300720#p300720 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Well it's true that the drama makes just about everything worse, but I'm still going to stick to my previous post. If we are wondering how all of this affects audio game developers (what you seemed to be talking about in post 445), then I believe i can speak from experience As one of this community's game developers.Accusations made against this game were not offending to me, as an audio game developer. Witch hunts could happen at any time I suppose, but it's pretty easy and would probably always be easy to see them for what they are and ignore them. The only time I was truly offended and disappointed as an audio game developer, was when people expressed their view that they didn't care even if the game was using stolen code, and all they cared about was playing the fun new game. That was a huge slap in the face, and I can absolutely imagine new game devs seeing that disrespect as a reason to never work on anything ever again for this community.If I'm working to create games for this community, and they openly say they don't give 2 s*its if someone rips me off, then why should I keep trying to contribute? This is the real message this thread has sent to the game devs, not the rest of the drama.Even in your post 445 you seem to be putting down the game developers of this community. You make light of code theft and act as though the devs are spoiled children blowing the whole situation out of proportion.If you are worried about how any of this drama affects the game developers, then the opinions of the game developers will point out the true problem. You may be a game developer yourself (that I'm not aware of), and if that is the case then I suppose your opinion is just as valid as mine on this issue. If you are not a game developer, then you need to take a closer look at your own comments and attitude. You clearly want greater game variety , and what not, and you seem willing to put your own wants above the people who have been toiling away to bring everyone the games we Do have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300693#p300693 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : DracoSelene89 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Well...yes and no Aprone. I disagree with you for one key reason.If somebody is dedicated or cruel enough, they could start a witch hunt regardless of the code used and find any reason to start drama, especially if (for instance) they come across a similar system in a game to something they have and start kicking off it's a stolen system.It's...frankly pathetic how it was handled, it's completely and utterly unneeded and it's not the stolen code that hurts the community in the long run, it's the drama that comes from it that hurts the community in the long run.GOing out on a limb, I feel that the entire audiogame community is still finding its feet and needs to figure out what it wants to do with itself, does it merely want to in part ape and emulate the mainstream games industry with certain games, or build its own killer apps? Does it want to make its own standalone, fun games that stand on their own as amazing games regardless of what genre they are. The audiogame genre reminds me of the early videogame genre circa late 70s/early 80s, as far as developers rushing to throw out quick and simple games.One day I want a game the whole audiogame genre can be proud of that isn't based on aping a popular mainstream game, that stands alone as a true original game that everybody can point to and say THIS is a true poineer of audiogaming.Or. Putting it in a shorter sentence:Audiogaming apes videogames which is a a bad thing URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300688#p300688 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I'm going to agree with Jayde and disagree with Draco on these last handful of posts.As Draco pointed out, this is a very small community, but from that I draw the opposite conclusion. As a small community you imply that fighting against the use of stolen code is harming the developers... and of course we need as many of them as we can get. I would personally go in the other direction and say that stolen code is itself the harm, and ignoring it because we are personally benefiting from whatever was made from it, will do far more harm in the long run.To me, if this community decides they are willing to forgive someone for stealing code so long as they "bribe" them with a fun game, is one of the worst demonstrations of disrespect the community could show. What it means is that you only care about the developer if they are handing you some goodies, and even if someone is harming them you would rather abandon them and jump over to get som e hand-outs from the new guy. It's your beloved family dog willing to follow the thief who just busted up your house and robbed you, because that thief handed it a treat in the process. Betrayal is a good word that comes to mind.The other thing it does it paint the community as an uncivilized and amoral lot. I'm not talking about the vigilante justice or the harsh comments made here on this thread, I am talking about the number of people who honestly don't care about theft as long as they are benefiting from it. I hope none of this group handles themselves in this way outside of the internet. I've known people who were okay about crimes taking place, so long as they were handed a bribe for their silence, and I have no respect for them at all. The right thing to do, needs to be upheld on principle. We have people who are willing to support wrong-doing in exchange for a bribe, when we should have people willing to st and against wrong-doing even if it means they'll suffer for it. It's all very backwards and sadly makes me see the community a little differently than I did before this thread.It is disappointing when you get a good look at someone's character, and it isn't as bright as you once thought it was. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300683#p300683 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I'm going to agree with Jayde and disagree with Draco on these last handful of posts.As Draco pointed out, this is a very small community, but from that I draw the opposite conclusion. As a small community you imply that fighting against the use of stolen code is harming the developers... and of course we need as many of them as we can get. I would personally go in the other direction and say that stolen code is itself the harm, and ignoring it because we are personally benefiting from whatever was made from it, will do far more harm in the long run.To me, if this community decides they are willing to forgive someone for stealing code so long as they "bribe" them with a fun game, it one of the worst demonstrations of disrespect the community could show. What it means is that you only care about the developer if they are handing you some goodies, and even if someone is harming them you would rather abandon them and jump over to get som e hand-outs from the new guy. It's your beloved family dog willing to follow the thief who just busted up your house and robbed you, because that thief handed it a treat in the process. Betrayal is a good word that comes to mind.The other thing it does it paint the community as an uncivilized and amoral lot. I'm not talking about the vigilante justice or the harsh comments made here on this thread, I am talking about the number of people who honestly don't care about theft as long as they are benefiting from it. I hope none of this group handles themselves in this way outside of the internet. I've known people who were okay about crimes taking place, so long as they were handed a bribe for their silence, and I have no respect for them at all. The right thing to do, needs to be upheld on principle. We have people who are willing to support wrong-doing in exchange for a bribe, when we should have people willing to st and against wrong-doing even if it means they'll suffer for it. It's all very backwards and sadly makes me see the community a little differently than I did before this thread.It is disappointing when you get a good look at someone's character, and it isn't as bright as you once thought it was. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300683#p300683 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : assault_freak via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Been reading this topic since day 1, and all I can say is... how many people posting in this group are over the age of 20? I'm hoping very few... because the attitude I've seen from most people suggests a level of maturity that I would associate with people going through puberty.. and as some said, spoiled children. Please give posts 426 and 427 a read... they sum up pretty much everything I would've written here if it hadn't been done so already! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300682#p300682 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal and I must say, thank you. thank you to all the drama mongerers and winers and flamers and trolls and no lifes who made another game and game dev disappear completely. And not even a half decent game at that, an already quite awesome game which had potential for even more. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300680#p300680 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal People, we make only drama and drama. But, what if somebody with open IP can offer the server, or something, like this. Maybe this brazilian developer notice It and change the server.Or, do You know, what? Developer doesn't answer maybe long time, like five days. So it is maybe, because he can't connect to server (to internet) and write to us and this is a result. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300679#p300679 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I been following this from the beginning, and its just been a lot of shaking my head. I don't have much to say except for this is not a good look, and I agree with everything Aprone has posted 1000%. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300677#p300677 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : DracoSelene89 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Yes, and no.My point is that several of the most popular mods across all of gaming are built on 'stolen' code, or built on existing codee. Take whichever you like. The differencewellthe difference is that big companies (Valve for instance) picked up those mods and turned them into full on games. Counter Strike. L4D, Team Fortress, TFC, DOTA (which was built on Warcraft 3 asssets that Blizzard almost certainly did not give their permission to use, hence 'stolen' code...and yes, I put 'stolen' in air quotes)The thing is though that without trying things, there's no progress, so to a point stolen code or 'ideas' (even though you cannot legally copyright an idea) are to a point needed oto move progress forward and push all of gaming forward. The last thing I personally want is gaming in general to get stuck in a rut because people start getting their pants in a twist about OMG HE USED ONE LINE OF MY CODE AND STOLE IT I MUST DDOS THE FUCK OUT OF HIS SERVER! attitude, ya know? It'ssomewhere between pathetic and asinine. Lastly, yes I do agree it could have been handled better in private, maybe an agreement could have been reached and none of this drama could have come to light and the game stayed online, because on paper it sounded like a good concept for a gameand that's what gaming in general needs, regardless of if its audio games, games in general, phone gaming or whatever, it needs fresh ideas, concepts and more games to play. Think of it like this. You wouldn't want to eat chicken every day for ayear would you? That's the problem with gaming in general,it's running the risk of becoming so bland and samey across every facet. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300676#p300676 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with the last post, at least up to a point.A person who's noticing stolen code has every right to be upset. So being upset, in and of itself, is not the problem.The problem is that instead of telling the mods, and providing proof, the person or people involved then had to whine about it and attack the server and all that. Vigilante justice, I suppose. they couldn't just trust that the mods were investigating, perhaps because when they themselves stole code, they were punished much more quickly.The last post makes it sound as if objecting to stolen code is wrong. It's not. What's arguably wrong is the way in which it was done. Really, this thread should be about 20% as long as it is. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300672#p300672 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : DracoSelene89 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal You know what?This drama just pisses me the hell off, because oh look, whiny people screaming about about stolen code in a tiny tiny community and pushing developers out of the scene instead of giving them a chance to fix the issues and put the game back online and give it a fair shake.What the actual hell is wrong with people anyhow? The audiogames community is small enough as it is, it deserves all the help it can to grow and grow., not have vigilantes jump on bandwagons and scream and bitch instead of letting people fix their issues and work through them to show they actually can come through and make better games. Because, at the end of the day, that's all they are. They are fucking games. They are released for our enjoyment, not for us to pick apart and scream and whin OMG HE STOLE THAT SOUND FUCK THIS GUY HE STOLE THIS TINY FRACTION OF MY CODE WAAH!111Because that's the impression I'm getting from certain quarters of the commun ity who are jealously guarding their code likewell.spoiled little kids who don't want anyone to play in their sandlot, and will kick sand and tell on anyone who dares to even go near their sandlot.What the actual hell is people's problem?Just my thoughtsDracoOh. Oh, One more thing. This community needs to grow and not be put down to a handful of games by big companies. It needs the indie devs to show and the small developers to take the community into new genres. Right now all I'm ssensing is people aren't willing to try new genres and there's the big companies making games that are...shall we say, 'inspired' by sighted games, albeit sailing a little too close to the wind. I would much rather see something like this come back, with the issues fixed and being worked on to make it the best it can be. I'd much rather see something like this taken in another direction as a spin off. I'd much rather see the amount of genres and games skyrocket, and not stagnate. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300670#p300670 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal well sadly you won't get to try it any time soon since some ass hat took the server down. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300663#p300663 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hello,I downloaded this game from the link in the first post, but it doesn't connect to the server. On the subject of cheat programs, can you change it so that it closes when something attempts to change the variables? I don't understand why it has to crash even if your cheat program isn't running. I'll wait until the server is back up and then try it to get my opinion of this. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300662#p300662 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hahaha, agreed blindy drama and nothing more. But I don't get are you working on server recover or not.? Are you getting any help and do you need any? Of course not by me because my programming skills are 0 just recommending if you need help you should say it here. I did not read all responses of this topic maybe you already said that you're getting help but I did not find it in this ocean of arguing URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300604#p300604 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : blindndangerous via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Well-said Jade, and lordLondon, you're not helping. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300591#p300591 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal developer, you made the game, the future is bright, but it's always close and if you open the server it doesn't work in this game if you want to keep the game already was held you open the server, let people play the game, I'm sure of it, you know, you don't do this the end of the game, especially in basic as I said, the future is bright of the game, but I always turn off the server, you can't advance in the game, Look 2 day the servers closed, in the forum everyone says it, but what's the cause, what do you say when it will open, it will no longer turn on the server. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300585#p300585 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hi megadimensao,please please please give put the server back online!A few days ago I downloaded this game, wanted to explore it and then the server was offline which really made me very sad because this game is just awesome, very cool backgrounds.Today it were such a nice day to play it again. Again, please, please put the server back! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300572#p300572 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal ahh, blindy drama!Thanks for the Entertainment guys. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300556#p300556 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hi.A lot of people forget that this is a public forum, where everyone can read, also those who don't have an account. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people out there simply spent their time on other things than developing games for blind people because of all this drama. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300549#p300549 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Aprone has hit the nail on the head. If he hadn't said it first, I would have, and probably in slightly harsher tones.But I agree with the general feeling that this thread is, by and large, a trainwreck. As someone who would like to be involved with game development myself, this thread has left me rather shaken, to say the least. It isn't likely to make me completely disinterested in the prospect, but it's made me realize that the community may create some rather unfortunate bumps. And if I, a blind person already with a vested interest in designing/working on audio games, feels this way, what about people from outside the community itself who see this?No, I want this thread to go away and disappear. I want us to put a better foot forward, as a community, because this has been ridiculous. I've tried to be reasonable and to keep my head throughout, but getting involved in the first place might've been enough. Point is, this thread has done no g ood and plenty of harm, and I want to go around and find virtually every game dev I know and reassure them repeatedly that no, we're not all like this. I don't want the community to die from mass toxicity. Please, folks. If you want to keep encouraging other people to make decent audio games, remember a few simple rules. First and foremost, let's all think before we post, eh? Second and nearly as important, remember that we're all people, and worthy of respect. Last but not least, remember that anyone who makes an audiogame (particularly but not only a free one) is putting in a lot of time for our enjoyment, and as a community we repay them very, very badly with threads like this. It's all well and good to bring up issues of code theft, or issues of game balance, or server outages, or any number of troubling things. It's not all wine and roses. But for heaven's sake, let's all remember, or re-remember, the meaning of tact. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300550#p300550 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I will let you know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300498#p300498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal GG guys,the server is deffinetly down and who knows if mega dimensao have intentions to put it back up. If that's the case please guys let us know. Otherwise, I'd prefer to stick with danny's games. They adjust mainly to the kind of games I want to play URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300492#p300492 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal You no, despite everything that you see here, they do have potential and that can't be denied from a players point of view.You gotta learn to look past the BS sometimes. It is after all, these guys who do take time to create things that keep the wrest of us entertained. I mean hell, it's some of there games that have kept me up all night playing. I thought about creating a knew topic for this but I figured we are off topic as it is already...but yes your right this should be a knew topic. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300491#p300491 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I sincerely hope you do not see what people are capable of based on this topic... *shudders*Also... Wouldn't it be better to make a new topic for this, rather than straying even farther from the topic at hand?For the rest... I very much agree with everything Aprone has said in his last few messages. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300487#p300487 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal okay, we need to switch gears guys. How about this. I am thinking about getting a team of developers together to come up with some ideas for a knew game. I have lots and lots of ideas but lack the patience to learn programming. I have no idea the interest but I thought I would throw the idea out their. So if you are a developer Send me a PM and we will talk. Get some of your work together just in case I ask to see a project, or projects you have worked on in the past. I will ask for no more then 2 games and or other bits of softwhere...what you show me is up to you. In order to protect the safety of my computer, they have to be items already on the audio games website. The end goal for this project would be for sighted and blind players to play with and or against each other. Lets focus our energy on something more productive. I've already played games such as survive the wild, swamp, redspot...lots of games that have been created by you guys. I see what you guys are capable of and if I can get all of you guys to work together, well who knows what could be accomplished. You guys have some brilliant minds.I hope to speak with some of you soon. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300481#p300481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal okay, we need to switch gears guys. How about this. I am thinking about getting a team of developers together to come up with some ideas for a knew game. I have lots and lots of ideas but lack the patience to learn programming. I have no idea the interest but I thought I would throw the idea out their. So if you are a developer Send me a PM and we will talk. Get some of your work together just in case I ask to see a project, or projects you have worked on in the past. I will ask for no more then 2 games and or other bits of softwhere...what you show me is up to you. In order to protect the safety of my computer, they have to be items already on the audio games website. The end goal for this project would be for sighted and blind players to play with and or against each other. Lets focus our energy on something more productive.I hope to speak with some of you soon. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300481#p300481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal okay, we need to switch gears guys. How about this. I am thinking about getting a team of developers together to come up with some ideas for a knew game. I have lots and lots of ideas but lack the patience to learn programming. I have no idea the interest but I thought I would throw the idea out their. So if you are a developer Send me a PM and we will talk. Get some of your work together just in case I ask to see a project, or projects you have worked on in the past. I will ask for no more then 2 games and or other bits of softw...what you show me is up to you. In order to protect the safety of my computer, they have to be items already on the audio games website. Do to my computer starting to freeze on me, I have to cut this post short. I hope to speak with some of you soon. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300481#p300481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hi.Sorry to say this, and to the admins and mods, this is not something you should take as an offense, but I have the feeling that topics rather get closed than deleted. Sometimes, i agree on this way because you might find some usefull information about the game or program you are searching for, but, as for example in here, we have just some people accusing others of steeling code, swearing and what not.I would seriously suggest that someone deletes this topic and a fresh one gets started.And at blink vizard, lucky for me I have a E-Mail address for gaming and the like, so, well, no bank data and stuff for you.Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300478#p300478 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Blink wizard, are you suggesting I've done anything but stress in here that using Mason's stolen code would be wrong? The entire reason I hopped in here was to help determine whether the game was using the stolen code or not. You don't seem to see it, but the moment you have people "on your side" you have a tendency to get upset and then turn on them. This last message of yours, and the one before it, are good examples of you flat out turning against someone who was trying to help you. I have thanked you for past evidence, pointed out how important it could be as proof (if verified), and encouraged others to go out and verify it! The servers shut down and suddenly those tests no longer work... I'm not an idiot, I understand that you were probably right and they probably shut things down to patch those few huge issues that would prove they had used the stolen code and were lying about it. The problem is, some of us a round here have to act like adults. To officially declare that this game is using stolen code, and deal with it in that light, there has to be actual verifiable proof. Not one guy's word, but an honest substantiated claim.Clearly you are smart enough to see what is and is not proof, which is why you tracked down some useful evidence. Like many people, the failure is an inability to view situations from everyone elses' perspective. If the roles were reversed and all you had were a claim you couldn't check, I sincerely hope you wouldn't run with it as proof and start handing out punishments. If you would, then you'd be a poor excuse for a moderator (or authority of Any kind). It doesn't take more than 2 seconds of thought to understand that, so I cannot figure out why you're struggling to accept things are playing out the way they are. This is Not a problem of moderators choosing to ignore your evidenc e, this is a problem with you being wrapped up in your own self too much to be an adult. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300475#p300475 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal could their be a new one made with out all this trouble? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300473#p300473 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Completely agreed. Please not only close this thread, but delete it as well. This makes all blind gamers look bad. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300472#p300472 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal so a quik search on twitter for audiogames turned this upThis thread seriously makes it so difficult for me to want to develop an audio game. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=21272So we have this publically viewable trainwreck here, constantly unfolding while at the same time I and others are attempting to reach out to game developers in an attempt to make their games more inclusive. Their going to come here, happen upon this 400 plus post thread of childish ranting and think twice. Would I blaime them? Hell no. Like or not, this thread is out there, negatively impacting us. I feel like the entire thing should be closed and kept that way, until the mods come to their conclusions URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300470#p300470 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal So Aprone, sorry if I'm wrong but I guess I could, if I had Swamp's source code, just use it to make the foundation of your game and you wouldn't have a problem with it? I could say "O it was written from scratch", come to find out, you use the swamp client, and it events you create new chars with the swamp client because its so reliable off source code from swamp that it uses the same packets and the same paramaters? Because that 's what I did, I never did say this, but you know who I spawn so many players on to the server? I used a modifed version of btb that would send "spawn_player "+name+" "+v+" "+v2);, and there you go. I wasn't even attacking a server, if you put it in the way everyone's putting it. The problem is, this game has really bad secruity. I'm sure I could even get the password to your hcar and encrypt it. How about that for security? You passwords could be risk! People, you have no i dea how insecure that game is. Your email, as far as I know, is just stored in a file called "email.usr". I hope you really think about this, and I only did it to a: show you how much its using from our source code, and b: to stop this guy from using our work and calling it their own. And if you're gonna say you don't care about what source code it uses, of course you don't. You only care about your game and your game only. Who cares where it comes from, and how much work others put into the game, because you like it. I guess if you were working really hard on a homework assighment, and I stole it and turned it in to the teacher, and said I did it, you would have no problem with it. Ok, I see how it works. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300469#p300469 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal @emrickby. Luis and others. Guys, spamming the forum with your horrible english isn't gonna help with this.My conclusion: 1. It is clear for most of us now, that all this apologizing messages of Ivan, where he states that he has changed his atitude are just words, he hasn't changed a single bit. A person who has really changed his atitude never does something like attacking a server and stopping us to play, just because "he do not wants anybody to use our work". Oh its interesting how he uses the word our, understanding that he was the first one on stealing UP's code. So his work is not iriginally his.I've not believed him never, and now with his violent and hostile atitude all he's doing is re afirm my distrust and losing credibility himself URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300460#p300460 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Harrison91 brings up an extremely good point. I've actually seen two people on my twitter timeline bring up the forum now in the past few days, not exactly mentioning this topic, but it's very obvious that they're looking at it. But I'm sure most won't care, as they'd rather be children. But they're right, most mainstream devs wouldn't even think of developing for this community if all they see is this kind of thing going on constantly. Also, Aprone, after reading Ivan's posts, I was wondering when you'd step in with the mod hat on. Hahahha. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300452#p300452 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal some people just don't understand the word wait. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300451#p300451 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal @421, Be patient, the server will come back. Just wait and do't spam the forum with messages URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300421#p300421 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal what happen? desafio mortal for nothing to go. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300416#p300416 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal but what time? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300418#p300418 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal you don't have an answer because nobody has... as you can see the developer hasn't posted about why the server is down so the only thing that you can do is wait. Spamming the forum with tens of useless posts wont make the server come back faster. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300417#p300417 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I also don't have an answer eather.But We can credit both if you 're se URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300403#p300403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal but don' have answer URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300392#p300392 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal 1: emreagbi, please don't make to spam a forum, we are understand. 2: muhammad_hajjar, why? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300389#p300389 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal tabutcu and emreagbi, could you please stop your habit of raining the forums with pointless posts? megadimensao, though I really enjoyed the game, but if you could do us a simple favor and reduce the fire a bit, please at least credit Mason and Ivan since they've spendt a lot of time and effort coding this engine and its features and properties which your game is based on. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300386#p300386 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal We can play if thos american people from Illinois may stop, because for me is discrimination between players!Now go away, Iván, go away, don't talk to us, We hate you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300384#p300384 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Maybe he works on the new server. Be patient. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300383#p300383 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal megadimensao, please we want play desafio mortal. what are you can do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300382#p300382 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal we wans play a game.. now! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300376#p300376 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal We you both go away, because I want to play that fucking oriental of a sunn of a bitch game now!you two cheater boys, go away because I hate both of you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300375#p300375 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal blink_wizar and mason, ok goaway stupitts they are make a new game now! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300374#p300374 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal hi guys, yes they are use mason's code. but Mason nothing to do. Mason don't makeing games. just Mason's code waiting. Why mason's code waiting? Mason really stupit. Desafio mortal just fun game. ıf Mason makeing game, masonn's code all people don'T use. Thanks for reading. we want desafio moral! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300373#p300373 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal where is the server? i can't connect it, i want to play a game. please open a server. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300370#p300370 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal blink_wizard wrote:Jimmy, if I were to get mad about the forum, why would I not be attacking the forum and taking it down? I'm sure I would, if I was this mad. By the way, no one here is jealous dude. We just don't want others using our work, and calling it their own. Is it to much to ask? I thought you would at least understand.Simplly, because you don't know how to do it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300372#p300372 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal don't working server. what happen? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300368#p300368 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal MODERATIONblink_wizard wrote:Why are the mods not even replying to this? You know, if it was me, they would press that ban button in a hurry.Blink wizard, this is a joke right? Do none of my posts in this thread count as replying to this? Of all people, you were given probably more "second chances" than anyone I can remember, and you're going to play it off as though the moderators would rush in to ban you in a hurry?Regardless of whether your motivation is vigilante justice or a personal grudge, regardless of whether people think it is justified or not, this forum does not condone attacking servers. Like using game cracks or playing a game built on stolen code, we can't stop anyone from doing those things, but what we will stop are people bringing those things here. I suggest you more carefully choose what to share on the forum, and what to just keep to yourself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300350#p300350 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Okay so [[wow]]. There is so much drama with this community. Who cares if people use your code? If people are playing your game isn't that all that matters? We don't have many good games as it is so why can't someone use an others code for there own gaming ideas? All this makes no sense to me and this is coming from someone who isn't very much part of this community. Do you guys have any idea how you look to outsiders? Have you all forgotten that absolutely anyone can view this thread? All this time spent writing pages upon pages of who, what, where, when, why and how could of been better spent on a fucking fantastic game! But instead what do we got...fuck all accept a couple decent games. I mean no disrespect to developers when I say that. You guys put in allot of work and we as players appriciate the hard work put in. But come on blind comuity can't we do better then what I'm reading or are we all just a bunch of infants on this forem. I'm goin g to say sorry now to the mods of this forem because I'm not going to edit the content of this post. I have been observing this behavior for a while now and honestly it buggs the hell out of me so I felt it was time to say something. Hopefully now maybe a few will actually listen and grow up. But I am sorry for the fowl language.I'm just a player wanting to play the damn game. Stop fucking it up for people like us...seriously. You guys have skills, use them! Remember who you are creating the game for. Also, people like me actually pay for shit to support the devs, so try to be a little more appealing. I only say all this in hopes that you guys will smarten up and start coming up with ideas that a, players like me would enjoy, and b, ideas that if worked out properly could become profitable. Yes I pay for games and I do it all with out complaining. Why? because it is just what everyone does. But I am also careful with whom I give my money to. So stop acting like child ren in public, it is unbecoming.My rant is over now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300347#p300347 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal yes,agree 401,i'm a player,so,don't shutdown with other,other want to play. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300344#p300344 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal lol. I get the whole clone thing, but I really don't get why you have to ruin the game for others. if you have such a problem, go talk it out with the dev. don't ruin the game for others. it just makes you out to be a major dick. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300339#p300339 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : Farhad Ali Bhatti via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal how can we translated this game into english? Please guide me only onetime step by step. Please? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300336#p300336 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : blink_wizard via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Yeah it was me. So what? Listen to me, if it wasn't stealing source code, how would I was able to pass through them and? Huh? I guess I'm a pure genius since I can somehow guess that banning system? I guess people also use my own ways of generate computer ID's? I would assume that also say I know so much that I even figured out how to send just the correct packets and the correct parameters to the login/creation system. So tell me how I did that. Please? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300335#p300335 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : blink_wizard via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal This is gonna sound harsh but this is just my personal opinion for what I have seen the last few months. Once you guys are set on something, you're set on it. Yeah, this game might have cool functions, and god knows what else he added. But you do understand that people can't just use our source code and call it their own. Why are the mods not even replying to this? You know, if it was me, they would press that ban button in a hurry. Yeah, maybe I didn't add as many new things on to my old game which the source code is being used from btw, so its quite ironic that you banned the game, but you sureuly don't ban people using its source code. So I guess I can, if I still had Redspot's source code, I could just grab Sam's map engine and call it my own and said I used no code and use it from scratch? I could also just get snipers of the code and call them my own? Ok, well, to bad I don't have it anymore, would have saved me ours of staying up and follo wing asleep in school. Its ok for some developers to use the code, because you like the game. So you have no modivation to ban them. Whatever, URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300334#p300334 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : blink_wizard via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Jimmy, if I were to get mad about the forum, why would I not be attacking the forum and taking it down? I'm sure I would, if I was this mad. By the way, no one here is jealous dude. We just don't want others using our work, and calling it their own. Is it to much to ask? I thought you would at least understand. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300332#p300332 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : animal metal via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal yep mostly likeley its ivan 99.99% of the time, he said so on the game. and when he doesnt say its him its the same thing that happens when he does says is him lmao URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300333#p300333 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal also I guess he's pissed that this dev didn't get banned from the forum as fast as he did. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300327#p300327 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal because ivan is a child that gets some kind of pleasure out of this. and I can say for sure its ivan, so there is no talking me out of it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300326#p300326 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hmm. the server is now down for the night. I wonder till when is this gonna continue? is all this jealousy necessary? At least, if the game cannot be supported in this forum weather it stole source code or not, why ruin others enjoyment? why just not at least let us enjoy it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300325#p300325 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : flame_elchemist via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal why do some people get enjoyment out of ruining other peoples fun? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300309#p300309 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I'll be sure to record it next time it happens just so you guys have the solid proof that you're looking for. but most players are saying its him, because they were all online as this was happening. the server went down multiple times that night. he was even banned from the game at some point during all this. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300307#p300307 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal yep, I was also online when he spammed the hell out of the server. there were also about 30 more players that saw this all happen. so there is your proof. does anyone know if the game logs chats? I can show full proof of it if it does. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300305#p300305 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal yep, I was also online when he spammed the hell out of the server. there were also about 30 more players that saw this all happen. so there is your proof. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300305#p300305 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal When I try and play the game I get some error in another language then it closes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300303#p300303 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hello, there's evidence though: 1. He somehow doesn't reply to thread anymore, because he's satisfied that he ruins the game for everyone. 2. On the comment will the server be back up, he answered probably no. and 3. He also said that he will do anything to get the developer banned multiple times. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300300#p300300 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Guys, the continuous speculation does not help anything. If people want to assume that each time the server goes down it is the result of a hacker attack, then I suppose that's fine. What is not fine however is to throw out someone's name and suggest that they are doing something wrong. Accusations like those are pretty serious, and should not be made unless you then back it up with some hard evidence. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300286#p300286 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Probably handy work of Ivan Soto, gotta run away from him, or this game, people will do whatever it takes to knock them down. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300282#p300282 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal [[wow]]. balls to who keeps taking the server down. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300279#p300279 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal How i can exit of the this crappy ocean and club? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300272#p300272 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hello,Just wanted to post my comment about this game.Some guys said it is another ultrapower, and at first I also thought so but it didn't make big problem to me because I did not play ultrapower much. The concept is similar but things in the game are awesome. Developer made it like open world what reminds me a bit of GTA. I hope this game will continue developing and improwing. I am sure this is new game which I got to play for longer and have fun with this game. I'm recommending this game to all of ya, see you there URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300274#p300274 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal seems the server is down again! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300273#p300273 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : flame_elchemist via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal do you have version 3.1 installed? the server is offline. tried to get on and it wouldn't let me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300271#p300271 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : The coll gamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal When I try connecting to the server, nothing happens, but then when I press escape to go back to the main menu, I can hear people going on and offline. Why? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300268#p300268 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal 1. There is a staircase on the right side, go down there, then go left to get to the door.2. No, not any that I know of.3. Press f5. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300266#p300266 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Hi.I have three questions.1. I exited jail and am now standing in a corridor of some sorts, how can I get out of there?2. Is there a way to turn off some in game messages?3. Is there an english chat channel available?Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300264#p300264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : animal metal via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal oh ivan did crashed the server again last night so they took down the server for the night.but it should be working now. just read the message of the day. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300240#p300240 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Guys, stop accusing people. How do we even know it's even a server hack? What if the devs might actually have taken it down to, ya know, discuss stuff and see if they might be able to work something out? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300233#p300233 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Guys, I wouldn't panic just yet. I can confirm the server hasn't been hacked, so stop accusing people. It's not back because of something else, so we are going to be stuck waiting for a while. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300233#p300233 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I don't know, what was happened. But, this Ivan is from what country? Russia? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300231#p300231 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : luiscarlosgm via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I am Sorry, Marco, I was only asking about what I sayd, infackt I forget to say that it's off topic by the wey.But what happened to the server of that game we call mortal challenge or something, Cause I like to play it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300230#p300230 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal I am sorry, Luis, this is not thread to solve those things, that I am not respond to Your Skype, or not. Please admins, delete those posts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300215#p300215 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
2017-03-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — New releases room : luiscarlosgm via Audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Marco, YOu didn't respond me on Skype, yeah?Soh, that hator named Iven (I call him Iván by the spanish name of him and not the english one) hacked over 1 accounts, including mine.But, the only problem is that he lives in Illinois U.S. Or do you think that in that state people are bad?No guys, collaborate with us. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300211#p300211 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal Moment, why banning developer of this game?If this is creator? Also I don't know, where You've got this information? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300210#p300210 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal
Re: new game online! Desafio Mortal That's simply because someone with the name of Ivan decided to hack the server and disallow more than 55 connected players at the same time to play because, well, the moderators have not banned the dev of that game! Let's remember that repairing a crime by another one isn't something excusable, I suppose. Let's not forget as well that too few are the game that exceed the number of 50 simultaneous connections. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300201#p300201 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
