Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I listened the Super A'Can, and I can say that the sound is PCM. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428173/#p428173 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-04-20
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Does anyone know what products used the SE95? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428060/#p428060 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? The SE-95 has a bit less of ladder effect. If you do not know what ladder effect is... it is the quantization noise that the YM2612's built-in DAC produces.Nuke.YKT's OPN2 core emulates this perfectly. MAME's YM2612 core does not emulate this in any way, the sound is totally pure. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/428001/#p428001 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-04-19
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Re: your favorite sound chip? no I haven't heard of it. Here are ones I do know:ncr7xx (sn77489 clone used in tandy1000)winbond wb300 (ay 8910 clone used in slot machines)there was a YMZ series chip that was just a ym2149 with a built in dac.Op t990 (OPL3 clone used in various sound cards)ES1688 (enhansed OPL3 clone used in early audiodrive sound cards)cs4281 (another OPL3 clone used in sound cards) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427995/#p427995 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Speaking of chip clones, does anyone cknow the YM2612 clone called SE-95? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427987/#p427987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Speaking of chip clones, anyone know that YM2612 clone called SE-95? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427987/#p427987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Speaking of chip clones, anyone know the YM2612 clone called SE-95? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427987/#p427987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? UMC also manufactured clone chips that were used in very early Famiclones of the day. They also later manufactured the NOAC (NES On a Chip) circuits. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427986/#p427986 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? UMC? That sounds me familiar, UMC was the company that manufactured a OPL clone? (I don't know if was the YM2413 or another of the OPL family). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427984/#p427984 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-04-19
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Re: your favorite sound chip? another favorite is the umc 6619 used in the super akan (taiwanese game console from 1995). this chip is very similar to the one used in the tg16 (huc6280) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427974/#p427974 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I loved that IC of the first video, from 07:08. And the second video shows the SM1350AAQM single-chip melody IC, which was manufactured by Seiko NPC. It features the Dual Wave Synthesis sound generator. I loved it. IIRC, I posted that IC in post 24. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427941/#p427941 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-04-19
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Re: your favorite sound chip? the seco epson melody IC was used in various musical toys put out by fissure price in the early 2000s, and the sharp one was used in some alarm clocks. the third one is used in some landline phones in the US (I know that because our old home phone was one of them), and the fifth one was used in a childrens Electronic engeneering kit that we had in Science class. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427846/#p427846 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Yeah, but the NSFPlay TXT readme also has settings for other preset VRC7 patch sets. All you have to do is modify the VRC7_PATCH setting in in_yansf.ini. The possible values are: 0 - VRC7 set by Nuke.KYT 3/15/2019 (dumped from VRC7 via special debug mode) 1 - VRC7 set by rainwarrior 8/01/2012 (used by Famitracker 0.4.0) 2 - VRC7 set by quietust 1/18/2004 (used by Famitracker 0.3.6) 3 - VRC7 set by Mitsutaka Okazaki 6/24/2001 (used by Famitracker 0.3.5 and prior) 4 - VRC7 set by Mitsutaka Okazaki 4/10/2004 5 - VRC7 set by kevtris 11/15/1999 (second set in vrcvii.txt) 6 - VRC7 set by kevtris 11/14/1999 (first set in vrcvii.txt) 7 - YM2413 set by Mitsutaka Okazaki 4/10/2004 8 - YMF281B set by Chabin 4/10/2004 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427768/#p427768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Was not necesary to modify in_yansf.ini to set Nuke.YKT's VRC7 patch dump. The config file already have VRC7_PATCH set to 0 which is Nuke.YKT's patch dump. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427759/#p427759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Stable NSFPlay 2.4 has been released. Rainwarrior took a break from it because he had to work on his NES game called Lizard, which has been in development since 2014.NSFPlay unstable 2.5 is the one that has the new VRC7 patch set as the default, but you can change the patch set in in_yansf.ini. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427698/#p427698 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @FamilyMario Wait... Nuke.YKT? He made the Nuked-OPN2 and Nuked-OPL3 cores! I haven't updated NSFPlay for months. I think stable version 2.4 was already released. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427672/#p427672 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I heard that these melody ICs are used in train stations in Japan and much more... also in other contries they are used in things like Garbage trucks. I do not know if one of these was used in toys. In the first video I linked... from 07:08, I loved that IC but I do not know its name. It has lovely melodies and tones that makes me wonder what kind of method uses for generate sounds. Seems that it has 3 channels (?). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427668/#p427668 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Didn't expect this topic to come back from the dead.It's also worth noting that the patch set for the Konami VRC7 has finally been extracted from the chip itself by putting it in debug mode. Previously emulator and NSF player developers had to guess the approximate FM values for each of the predefined patches. Now, NukeYKT has dumped the exact values for the predefined patches by hardwiring the chip into a debug mode. He was also able to dump the 3 drum patches. Yes, the vrc7 has drums in debug mode, but before you get excited, they don't seem to produce any sound on any of the pins, since it seems like the VRC7 doesn't have an RO pin like the YM2413/OPLL does, but if you try to trigger the drums their patches do show up in the debug registers, so the VRC7 must still be trying to play them.As far as I'm concerned alpha versions of Mesen and NSFPlay are the only ones that started using this new patch set.As for post 52, hmm, never heard of these. Will have to take a look. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427596/#p427596 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-04-18
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Go ahead. that 3rd one is my favorite so far. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427579/#p427579 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I don't know if this is the right topic to posting this but... anyone is interested in melodi ICs? I like them, for example... listen to this video which shows various melody ICs. Most notable are Seiko Epson, Sharp and Chinese companies who manofacture them. Second part is here! If you're a melody IC freak, these two videos will keep you entertained for a long time!What are the ICs that you liked? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/427535/#p427535 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Hi.Most of these chips can't be obtained on their own without buying a vintage keyboard or game console and gutting it just to find the chip in question, because most consoles had multiple chips for audio and video.Plus, some chips, like the RP2A03, DMG-CPU, TIA, and the SID, had other things other than audio hardware built in. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415288/#p415288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Hi.Most of these chips can't be obtained on their own without buying a vintage keyboard or game console and gutting it just to find the chip in question, because most consoles had multiple chips for audio and video. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415288/#p415288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-28
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Are all of these sound chips integrated circuits you can solder onto a circuit board for use with auditory circuit experimentation? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415258/#p415258 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @FamilyMario: I have actually known two different toy keyboards with those exact demo songs. If I remember well, the order would be "Jingle Bells", "Santa Claus is coming to town", "Spanish Coffee" and finally "Let It Be". One of the keyboards had a behaviour that I wouldn't be able to explain, if you would push the volume to a certain level, the pitch would go up. I really wonder why it would happen.Edit: I remember there was also Vivaldi's Spring as a demo song between "Spanish Coffee" and "Let It Be". URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414198/#p414198 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @FamilyMario: I have actually known two different toy keyboards with those exact demo songs. If I remember well, the order would be "Jingle Bells", "Santa Claus is coming to town", "Spanish Coffee" and finally "Let It Be". One of the keyboards had a behaviour that I wouldn't be able to explain, if you would push the volume to a certain level, the pitch would go up. I really wonder why it would happen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414198/#p414198 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-23
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Re: your favorite sound chip? also, appearently epson made a sound hip as well. It was similar to the ay-3-8910 and was primarily used in childrens toys. TSAmaster has uploaded a youtube video of fisher price's Super star stacker toy which is one of the toys using this chip.and while I'm talking about toys, V-tech used the ti ms5220 speech chip as a makeshift dac in some of their toys. Not only was it used for it's intended purpus of speech synthesis, but it was also used as a 1 channel wavetable heard for the music in the music related activities for example. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414110/#p414110 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-23
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Update: the chip I called btp is actually dpc+. btp was the name of the sound engine used. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414108/#p414108 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Here's an example of my favorite sound chip, the MOS Technology Sid chip.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcgruWlXnQ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414101/#p414101 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Yeah, and they manofactured the already mentioned "D1867G" used in the Casio VL-1. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413036/#p413036 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Yeah, and they developed the already mentioned "D1867G" used in the Casio VL-1. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413036/#p413036 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-19
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Re: your favorite sound chip? they also made the chip on the Casio pv1000. It's a 3 channel psg very similar to the ay8910, though it doesn't support volume envelopes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413034/#p413034 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I've listened to the Super Cassette Vision, and I liked it. NEC was in charge of the hardware of the SCV. When Epoch temporarily withdrew from the market, NEC, the one in charge of the hardware of SCV, released the PC-Engine to replace this machine. SCV's sound processor is the uPD1771C. It has one channel that can use square waves, noise but only in a single channel. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412930/#p412930 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I've listened to the Super Cassette Vision, and I liked it. NEC was in charge of the hardware of the SCV. When Epoch temporarily withdrew from the market, NEC, the one in charge of the hardware of SCV, released the PC-Engine to replace this machine. SCV's sound processor is the uPD1771C. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412930/#p412930 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @FamilyMario Actually, I know that My Music Center toy keyboard, but only by watching videos. You can read a review by Cyberyogi (I absolutely recommend check this websittte) here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412921/#p412921 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-19
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Re: your favorite sound chip? btp chip demo:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eewsw9LWxqQ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412892/#p412892 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Since I mentioned toy keyboards a while ago, I'd like to draw your attention to one chip in particular, and it's a wavetable tone keyboard as well. I'm sure @Dekyo-NEC2608 will appreciate this one.Unfortunately I cannot find info about this chip nor the keyboards it was used in, but I do remember how it sounded like, and I can also tell you that the sound hardware was used in many other toy keyboards, since I owned some when I was younger.The first keyboard that I could find that used this was probably the My Music Center keyboard. It had a total of 8 instrument sounds (Piano, Organ, Mandolin, Guitar, Music Box, Bell, Trumpet, and Violin, none of which sounded very realistic of course, and those instruments were used in other toy keyboards that used this same sound hardware, and some variants had different, and sometimes new sounds that were added. It had 4 channels of sound plus sampled drums. As a player, you could only play 2 notes at a time, since essentially the other 2 channels are used to add a chorus effect, and all four channels were used for the demo songs.As I mentioned the instruments themselves don't sound that realistic. Here are the ones I distinctly remember.1. The Trumpet sounded more like a 12.5% pulse wave.2. The Bell sounded more like a marimba, or maybe a vibraphone.3. The Music Box was raised up an octave and is basically just a sine wave.4. The Violin sort of sounded like a 50% square wave.5. The Organ sounded more like a sawtooth waveform, though in another toy keyboard I had which had the same instrument presets, the organ on that one sounded more like a real organ.I wish I knew a little bit more, but sadly I had to sell my keyboards off. A shame, because those keyboards produced some very interesting sounds, and sometimes I would mess around with it to see what kind of stuff it was capable of doing. Now I wish I had them back just so I could do some chip experiments or something.Now you're probably wondering what the actual keyboard sounded like. Thankfully I was able to find the demo songs that came with some toy keyboards that used this chip, including the likes of Jingle Bells, Santa Claus is Coming to Town, Let it Be, and Spanish Coffee. Other toy keyboards had totally new demo tunes made for them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5WyTdeJOKMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUULRF3jpY8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUULRF3jpY8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqGjMnyDWXc URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412863/#p412863 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @ammericandad2005 Is there a demo somewhere? If you guys find a new wavetable (not sample-based) chip, I'm definitely interested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412783/#p412783 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @ammericandad2005 Is there a demo somewhere? If you guys find a new wavetable (not sample-based) chip, I'm definitely interested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412786/#p412786 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @ammericandad2005 Is there a demo somewhere? If you guys find a new wavetable /not sample-based) chip, I'm definitely interested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412785/#p412785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? @ammericandad2005 Is there a demo somewhere? If you guys find a new wavetable /not sample-based) chip, I'm definitely interested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412786/#p412786 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? @ammericandad2005 Is there a demo somewhere? If you guys find a new wavetable /not sample-based) chip, I'm definitely interested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412784/#p412784 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @ammericandad2005 Is there a demo somewhere? If you guys find a new wavetable /not sample-based) chip, I'm definitely interested. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412783/#p412783 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-18
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I also like the chip that was used in the super cassette vision. it's basicly like a standalone version of the fds's expantion sound chip. an updated version of the DPC, the BTP by supercat, was used in a couple of homebrew 2600 games. It's basicly a cut down version of the Paula chip from the amiga. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412761/#p412761 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @americandaad2005The Beeper chip is certainly an interesting little beast, and people have made some rather interesting tunes with it.Another favorite is the D1867G, which was the soul sound hardware behind one of the most famous toy keyboards of the 80s, the CASIO VL-1, or VL-Tone depending on where you live. The instrument sounds themselves were mainly just filtered pulse waves with different tones, and you could also program your own instruments by using the keyboard's built-in calculator function. It could also generate noise, though that was only ever used for the famous rhythm sounds themselves.This next one is in the PSG department, it's the DPC (Display Processor Chip), which was only ever used in one game, and this provided the Atari 2600 with improved visuals, and additional audio capabilities. It was used in Pitfall II: Lost Caverns to provide background music during gameplay. It could only generate square waves.The SSMP (which probably stands for Sony Sound and Music Processor) was the main audio unit behind the SUper Nintendo and Super Famicom. With 2 chips, the SPC700 and the DSP chip, I've heard some amazing stuff with that chip alone, such as Donkey Kong Country and Final Fantasy VI. It also had a built-in delay function to go with it, which was put to great use, especially in the Final Fantasy games, and even in Chrono Trigger. It's also very accurately emulated in the 2.0 update of Plogue's chipcrusher. Not surprising since they always take pride in very accurately emulating sound chips and their small details.Since we're on an FM craze here, I'd also like to mention that I do enjoy the sounds of the Yamaha sound chips such as the YM2151, the YM3812, the YM2413, and the YM2612. While this isn't a Yamaha chip, the VRC7, while technically a derivative of the YM2413, sounds pretty good too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412732/#p412732 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? You have listed chips that I never have heard of. I'm interested in weird sound beasts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412718/#p412718 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-18
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I also like the beeper chip used on the zx spectrum 48k. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412690/#p412690 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? @24: My sincerest apologies for not spelling the YM2608 right, moreover I did verify how it was written before writing it here so I have no clue how I still made that mistake in the first place.@31: I also prefer having something else to complement FM chips, be it PSG, PCM or both. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412627/#p412627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? @24: My sincerest excuses for not spelling the YM2608 right, moreover I did verify how it was written before writing it here so I have no clue how I still made that mistake in the first place.@31: I also prefer having something else to complement FM chips, be it PSG, PCM or both. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412627/#p412627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? @24: My sincerest excuses for not spelling the YM2608 right, moreover I did verify how it was written before writing it here so I have no clue how I still made that mistake in the first place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412627/#p412627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Making FM instruments (especially for PMD, FMPv4 or FMP7) is easy, at least I'm learning little by little with YM2608 Tone Editor. I'm much more familiar with PMD than the FMP system, IIRC mml2vgm's syntax is based in FMP. As to wavetable, is even more easier with SF2WT. I remember doing a FM electric piano for the FDS, and that sounded really great! I love making FM things for wavetable. I've called pseudo-FM to that kind of waveforms.For @30, the syntax is different than ppmck. WTD includes an English manual but SW's English is not good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412460/#p412460 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-17
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I also like the miki chip used in the atari lynx, and the jerry chip used on the Jaguar. the former is quite similar to pokey, while the ladder is closer to Paula from the amiga. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412463/#p412463 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Making FM instruments (especially for PMD, FMPv4 or FMP7) is easy, at least I'm learning little by little with YM2608 Tone Editor. I'm much more familiar with PMD than the FMP system, IIRC mml2vgm's syntax is based in FMP. As to wavetable, is even more easier with SF2WT. I remember doing a FM electric piano for the FDS, and that sounded really great! I love making FM things for wavetable. I've called pseudo-FM to that kind of waveforms.For @31, the syntax is different than ppmck. WTD includes an English manual but SW's English is not good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412460/#p412460 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I like the sound of FM when it's done right but most people kinda get boring with it, and especially having FM alone is just meh. I like a PCM or something channel to be thrown in there. The soundtrack I'm currently liking is After Burner 2, track 9, After Burner, Melody Version, ripped from an emulated z80 on a 3DS. Which since YouTube isn't helping me today sounds like this. That's a YM2151 and a Sega PCM. If you're not a chip freak don't let that square wave fool you it's actually being made by the FM chip! YM2151, which seemed to be very popular in arcade games, only had FM, no PSG in it. You can tell the square is FM by listening to the way it decays, it's not just volume it's actually getting duller. Wavetable chips are cool too, and for the mml programmer they're easier to get a sound out of than FM. I can take this audacity plug-in and plop a wave file I've pre-cut and sampled into it and it spits out some numbers, which I can configure what chip they're for, and plop it into an mml file. FM ain't near that simple, and when using mml and not a tracker of some sort with live preview you spend forever just trying to get the sounds you want, and FM drums? I could never grasp how the hell you make those. The C64 was feckin' cool too in it's day, the amiga as well. The Amiga could have been so much more if people had just employed software mixing, it truly was a fully capable sound card which if you had the power you could mix a fuck ton of sounds on and avoid the resampler. But nobody did, maybe the CPU was bad enough that you couldn't do software mixing and run a demo/game at the same time. Some mods do use both channels with one sound to do panning and stuff but overall they use them all separately. And they are actually supposed to be hard left and hard right, they end up being halfwidth because the hard panning can be hard on the ears when listening through headphones. I think most people had speakers on the thing. Wish I could make a SID tune with mml, but the only compiler for it, XPMCK, has the shittiest c64 implementation it could ever have. I do like it's FM implementation though where you actually use mml to poke the registers, instead of either poking the registers directly, IWW! Or using the PMD style tone envelope definition, but I'm getting into something called mml2vgm so I have to get myself comfortable with the PMD format. I also have PMD, Dekyo might like/know that one, but I'm so used to ppmck syntax it's a bit of getting used to. Not as bad as mml2vgm though, there's something about apostrophes and envelopes are all weirdly defined using this extended ADSR shit and you don't have @v anymore, and I really need @v. I mean I guess since the majority of those chips are FM I don't have to use @V everywhere but for PSG's and wavetables it'd be nice as an alternate. Also documentation isn't in English and it's got this command chart that even the people who can see get head aches from the thing. Nasty. Wish it was an html table. Anyways I'm rambling about mml now but yeah those are the ones I like. I like the sound of FM chips, but programming them is a bitch. I can't even imagine raw register poking, surely even game composers didn't have to do that though because drivers. Basic PCM chips add a litle flavor to some FM sound, the combo can be good. Genesis had a great combo, had a blippy little PSG for sfx and some really retro sounds, though the noise generator sucked ass, an FM chip with not too many, not too few channels, and that little DAC for ya drums. Amazing to see some of the soundtracks made for that thing, and people to this day are still using actual! Genesis hardware to make music. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412411/#p412411 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? @26, Is the syntax similar to PPMCK's MML implementation? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412388/#p412388 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-16
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I also like the ADSP series of chips. these chips were used in several Leland and midway arcade games. fun fact: one of those chips was also used in the dectalk synthesiser. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412231/#p412231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I never used any type of tracker in my life. I only know that trackers will give me a headache. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412184/#p412184 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like lo-fi sample-based ICs. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melody IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). Oh, that characteristic noise due to the DAC's low resolution is the thing that I like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like low resolution sample-based ICs. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melody IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). Oh, that characteristic noise due to the DAC's low resolution is the thing that I like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-15
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Re: your favorite sound chip? thanks for the info. there should be a dedicated wonderswan tracker similar to famitracker or rmt URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412023/#p412023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? WTD is a MML sound driver for WonderSwan and Wonder Witch. You can make music and sound effects, though I've not played with it at all, only I read a bit the manual and compiled the demo songs. The compiled data can be a .WTD file that is for WonderSwan, or a .FX file that is for Wonder Witch..WTD files can be converted into a ROM image (.WSC) for play it in a WonderSwan emulator. Owever, if you change the WSC extension to WSR, you can play it with Audio Overload or any player that supports the format. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412012/#p412012 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-15
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Re: your favorite sound chip? what is wtd? Is that some sort of wonderswan music tracker or the music part of the wonderwitch dev kit? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411999/#p411999 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like sample-based ICs that have a really low bit resolution. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melody IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). Oh, that characteristic noise due to the DAC's low bit resolution is the thing that I like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like sample-based ICs that have a really low bit resolution. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melody IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). Oh, that characteristic DAC noise is the thing that I like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like sample-based ICs that have a really low bit resolution. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melody IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like sample-based ICs that have a really low bit resolution. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melodi IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like sample-based ICs that have a really low bit resolution. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melodi IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis).Oh, this topic is interesting!Favorite sound chips:1: Yamaha YM2608 (why some call it as "YM-2608"?). This was the sound chip that made me the person that I am now. 2. Namco N163. I also am a wavetable lover since 2017.3. HuC6280. Sound part of the Hudson C62 System.4. WonderSwan. Waveform data are 4-bit, 32 steps. The 2nd channel can be used for regular wave data or 8-bit PCM data. WTD doesn't have a function to use PCM samples (?) I think.5. VSU-VUE (Virtual Sound Unit) of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. This is almost the same thing as the HuC6280. Nice.I also like sample-based ICs that have a really low bit resolution. Toy keyboards maybe? Or Oki's CPUs used in Casio keyboards, particularly the SA-series. Or this nice melodi IC. Sample-based, sound generation method is called DWS (Dual Wave Synthesis). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411989/#p411989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-12
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Re: your favorite sound chip? @family mario, that chip in question is the yamaha ESG. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411345/#p411345 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? On a related note, there is a channel called The 8-Bit Guy who reviews old retro technology. He has a secondary channel called 8-Bit Keys, where he reviews old vintage keyboards. My favorite sound chip is the one used on the Yamaha PSS-125, which is a vintage square wave keyboard, but it's not just your average toy keyboard, as it has more things going for it when it comes to sound.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZZCQEA99Y URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411344/#p411344 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-12
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I also like the chip used in the XaviX based plug and plays. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411323/#p411323 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Thanks for the links guys, this is interesting. I wish it was easier to just get solid demos of the different sounds the chips could make and the number of channels they could use though, rather than relying on specific songs that would likely only use a few of those features. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411281/#p411281 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I tend to not include sample-based chips in my favourite, but if I had to, it would be Paula from the Amiga, for the same reasons described in post 16. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411276/#p411276 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I personally am fond of the Philips SAA1099, as is displayed in my signature . OK sure it's basically a PSG that could produce stereo sound, but I am a fan of how it was used, especially in Creative's CMS demos. I'm also a fan of the MA series of chips produced by Yamaha that were used in many mobile phones from the early 2000s. The MA7, the last in the series, actually supported 3d sound, though I'm not aware of any phones that made use of that capability. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411267/#p411267 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Another favorite of mine is the Konami SCC, which is basically like Namco's early arcade sound chip on steroids. It has 5 wavetable channels that are 32 samples long, used in some Konami games for the MSX. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411256/#p411256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I've always been a junky for wavetable/psg/sample chips. So, roughly in order, my favorite sound chips are:1. The sound chip used in the PS1 and PS2 (when music is sequenced, not streamed). It's basically an upgraded version of the Snes's SPC700 but it has more channels, more sample ram, and better reverb.2. Snes (SPC700). It has a warm sound that I like because of gaussian interpolation. It has very limited memory though for samples (I know this from experience because I write Snes music). So, it's a special kind of challenge to make use of the warmth of the SPC700 with the low amount of sample memory and do something that makes the best of both.3. Nes (2a03 and 2a07). I'm not a fan of the simple stuff because I tend to gear toward more complex, but the complex stuff is really cool.. And it's a popular chip to work with, so there's a lot of good stuff for it.4. Konami VRC6. If you enjoyed using it once, you'll never stop using it afterwards. It's obviously meant to complement the 2A03 and it does that really well.5. mos Technology sid (c64). Not a fan of how overboard some of the music can get to squeeze more out of the limited channels, but the chip is literally a high quality subtractive synth, just with limited polyphony. You can't fault it for having an emphasis on traditional synth design. If it had more channels, then making music for it would be scarily similar to doing it in an 80s studio with all your modular setups. Furthermore some people developed cool strategies to play samples on the C64, so I find the chip intriguing.6. PC Engine, can't remember what the sound chip is. From what little I've heard, it sounds like it could really be made to do awesome things if used right. Would absolutely love to see music for a Castlevania game or something like that made for the chip. Maybe it exists, I just haven't gotten around to looking it up. The Konami KSS chip is also tied for this spot because while the PC Engine has slightly better specs in most cases, I'm spoiled by the very few soundtracks I've heard for the KSS which have all been awesome. It's late 80s Konami though, what do you expect lol7. Namko N163. Would tie it with the other wavetable chips above, but it has a lot more distortion. Still, in the right context it sounds really cool. I'd also put the Famicom Disc System (FDS) here, but it only has one channel and 1 channel is boring lol. That said, it can make interesting sounds and it is cleaner than the other wavetable chips.8. Paula (amiga). Too few channels for my taste, and also not a fan of how you're locked to a certain stereo seperation, but people have done cool things with this chip. I also like how raw and gritty the samples become. It's a polar opposite to the Snes and playstation, which for me, isn't necessarily a good or a bad thing, it's just different. I suppose if you're going for a natural sound that's clean, it would be a bad thing, but obviously that will depend on what you want to do.I also like listening to GBA, Nintendo DS and N64 music, among other things that use samples. I'll admit I really am not an FM fan. I appreciate and enjoy the sound when it's done super well, but otherwise I don't like it as much because it sounds like it's trying to be something it's not, if that makes any sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411253/#p411253 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I've always been a junky for wavetable/psg/sample chips. So, roughly in order, my favorite sound chips are:1. The sound chip used in the PS1 and PS2 (when music is sequenced, not streamed). It's basically an upgraded version of the Snes's SPC700 but it has more channels and better reverb.2. Snes (SPC700). It has a warm sound that I like because of gaussian interpolation. It has very limited memory though for samples (I know this from experience because I write Snes music). So, it's a special kind of challenge to combine the warmth of the SPC700 with the low amount of sample memory.3. Nes (2a03 and 2a07). I'm not a fan of the simple stuff, but the complex stuff is really cool.. 4. Konami VRC6. If you enjoyed using it once, you'll never stop using it afterwards.5. mos Technology sid (c64). Not a fan of how overboard some of the music can get to squeeze more out of the limited channels, but the chip is literally a high quality subtractive synth, just with limited polyphony. YOu can't fault it for having the emphasis on traditional synth design. If it had more channels, then making music for it would be scarily similar to doing it in an 80s studio with all your modular setups. Furthermore some people developed cool strategies to play samples on the C64, so I find the chip intriguing.6. PC Engine, can't remember what the sound chip is. From what little i"ve heard, it sounds like it oculd really be made to do awesome things if used right. Would absolutely love to see music for a Castlevania game or something like it be made for that chip. Maybe it exists, I just haven't gotten around to looking it up. The Konami KSS chip is also tied for this spot because while the PC Engine has slightly better specs in most cases, I'm spoiled by the very few soundtracks I've heard for the KSS which have all been awesome. It's late 80s Konami though, what do you expect lol7. Namko N163. Would tie it with the other wavetable chips above, but it has a lot more distortion. Still, in the right context it sounds really cool. I'd also put the Famicom Disc System (FDS) here, but it only has one channel and 1 channel is boring lol. That said, it can make interesting sounds and it is cleaner than the other wavetable chips.8. Paula (amiga). Too few channels for my taste, and also not a fan of how you're locked to a certain stereo seperation, but people have done cool things with this chip. I also like how raw and gritty the samples become. It's a polar opposite to the Snes and playstation, which for me, isn't necessarily a good or a bad thing, it's just different. I suppose if you're going for a natural sound that's clean, it would be a bad thing, but obviously that will depend on what you want to do.I'll admit I really am not an FM fan. I appreciate and enjoy the sound when it's done super well, but otherwise I don't like it as much because it sounds like it's trying too be something it's not, if that makes any sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411253/#p411253 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: your favorite sound chip?
Re: your favorite sound chip? I've always been a junky for wavetable/psg/sample chpis. So, roughly in order, my favorite sound chips are:1. The sound chip used in the PS1 and PS2 (when music is sequenced, not streamed). It's basically an upgraded version of the Snes's SPC700 but it has more channels and better reverb.2. Snes (SPC700). It has a warm sound that I like because of gaussian interpolation. It has very limited memory though for samples (I know this from experience because I write Snes music). So, it's a special kind of challenge to combine the warmth of the SPC700 with the low amount of sample memory.3. Nes (2a03 and 2a07). I'm not a fan of the simple stuff, but the complex stuff is really cool.. 4. Konami VRC6. If you enjoyed using it once, you'll never stop using it afterwards.5. mos Technology sid (c64). Not a fan of how overboard some of the music can get to squeeze more out of the limited channels, but the chip is literally a high quality subtractive synth, just with limited polyphony. YOu can't fault it for having the emphasis on traditional synth design. If it had more channels, then making music for it would be scarily similar to doing it in an 80s studio with all your modular setups. Furthermore some people developed cool strategies to play samples on the C64, so I find the chip intriguing.6. PC Engine, can't remember what the sound chip is. From what little i"ve heard, it sounds like it oculd really be made to do awesome things if used right. Would absolutely love to see music for a Castlevania game or something like it be made for that chip. Maybe it exists, I just haven't gotten around to looking it up. The Konami KSS chip is also tied for this spot because while the PC Engine has slightly better specs in most cases, I'm spoiled by the very few soundtracks I've heard for the KSS which have all been awesome. It's late 80s Konami though, what do you expect lol7. Namko N163. Would tie it with the other wavetable chips above, but it has a lot more distortion. Still, in the right context it sounds really cool. I'd also put the Famicom Disc System (FDS) here, but it only has one channel and 1 channel is boring lol. That said, it can make interesting sounds and it is cleaner than the other wavetable chips.8. Paula (amiga). Too few channels for my taste, and also not a fan of how you're locked to a certain stereo seperation, but people have done cool things with this chip. I also like how raw and gritty the samples become. It's a polar opposite to the Snes and playstation, which for me, isn't necessarily a good or a bad thing, it's just different. I suppose if you're going for a natural sound that's clean, it would be a bad thing, but obviously that will depend on what you want to do.I'll admit I really am not an FM fan. I appreciate and enjoy the sound when it's done super well, but otherwise I don't like it as much because it sounds like it's trying too be something it's not, if that makes any sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411253/#p411253 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? here's an example of the bsmt2000.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d041ZN_j-OA URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411194/#p411194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Here are some examples of chips I listed in post 2, which has been updated with some more chips that popped into my head.1. RP2A03, used on the Nintendo Entertainment System and its variants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi7qrZo110M2. DMG-CPU-B, used on the Game Boy line of handhelds. Sound wise, it is related to the 2A03, but with a few changes (the triangle channel has been replaced with a custom programmable wave channel, and the noise channel sounds a bit different): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JTeN8sy3Wc3. Atari POKEY, used in the Atari 8-bit computer family, as well as in Ball Blazer and Commando for the Atari 7800. Most people make Atari music with with a program called RMT (Raster Music Tracker): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSrRkFfsQrI4. Texas Instruments SN76489. This chip was very basic, with only 3 square waves and a white noise generator with two modes, white noise and periodic noise. This example primarily uses the noise channel's periodic noise mode to create a bassline, since the noise channel could be set in a mode where it stole the pitch information from the third square channel, leaving only 2 square channels to be used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM-vXscAoVA4. General Instrument AY-3-8910, used in a lot of computers such as the Atari ST, Amstrad CPC, and ZX Spectrum. A rebranded version by Yamaha, the YM2149, was also released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdROMMP-YAM URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411187/#p411187 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-02-11
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Re: your favorite sound chip? another favorite is the bsmt2000, used in various pinball machines. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411171/#p411171 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? OK, here are some examples.YM2608:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4OjsdekA3AHuC6280:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUCxea80MR4Wonderswan:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0d_Q3uLrSo URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411169/#p411169 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-02-11
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Re: your favorite sound chip? for apple IIgs, a channel called vintagamersparadise has the complete soundtracks to the IIGS ports of kings quest 1-3. namco c series music is a bit more comin, type something like galaga arcade for example. st016 is a bit harder to find. Sid music is the equivalent of an invasive weed, it's that comin. ym series chips (especially 2612) is also comin (project 2612 for example). intel 8048 dac is used only in some nintendo arcade games, but most of them are quite comin (type donkey kong arcade). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411159/#p411159 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Yeah I was making a joke LOLI'd love to hear some examples of these chips youg uys are talking about, if you guys don't mind, I want to learn more. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411152/#p411152 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-02-11
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Re: your favorite sound chip? another favorite is the ensoniq 5506 (otto), used in the Apple IIgs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411138/#p411138 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I would say Yamaha YM-2608, I love the duo between FM voices and the square waves played with what is essentially an integrated YM2149. Then I would say HuC6280 from the PC-Engine and also the sound chip from the Wonderswan, though it seems we don't know much about it, it probably also uses WaveTable synthesis URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411126/#p411126 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? I would say Yamaha YM-2608, I love the duo between FM voices and the square waves played with what is essentially an integrated YM2149. Then I would say HuC6280 from the PC-Engine and also the soundchip from the Wonderswan, though it seems we don't know much about it, it probably also uses WaveTable synthesis URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411126/#p411126 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? uh... uh... uhh, the one that, uh, plays sounds, ;P URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/49/#p49 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? One of my favorite sound chips is the Yamaha YMF262, also known as OPL3. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/45/#p45 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Hi.@defender not that kind of sound chip, but if you were trying to be funny you gave me a good laugh though xD.We mean sound chip, as in integrated circuits used in various pieces of vintage video game consoles and personal computers that are meant to produce sound (see both lists above). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411108/#p411108 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? This One URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411025/#p411025 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-02-10
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Re: your favorite sound chip? mine are:1. namco c series (used in arcade games)2. ym21513. rp2a03 and all expantion chips4. ym2610 (used in the neo geo)5. mos tecnologi sid (c64/128 and cbm2)6. paula (amiga)7. intel I8048 dac (used in the original donkey kong arcade)8. Yamaha ESG (used in the pss130 keyboard)9. Yamaha ma series (used in various cell phones)10 Capcom q-sound (cps2 and sony zn series)11. St016 (used in various seta arcade games)12. Oki msm5232 (8 channel psg used in some older ADK arcade games) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410916/#p410916 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: your favorite sound chip? Favorites include:1. Ricoh RP2A032. Texas Instruments SN764893. General Instrument AY-3-8910 (people have made some amazing and insane stuff with that chip alone).4. DMG-CPU (The sound hardware inside of the Game Boy. There was an upgraded version of the chip used in the Game Boy Color, the CPU-CGB, which made some improvements to the CPU itself, but the audio portion was unchanged. This was also used in the Game Boy Advance for backwards compatibility, and to provide 8-bit music/sound effects for some games)5. SSMP (used in the SNES)6. Television Interface Adapter (TIA) used in the Atari 2600, though an honorable mention goes to the POKEY chip.7. Yamaha YM2151 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410882/#p410882 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
your favorite sound chip?
2019-02-10
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your favorite sound chip? hi, what is your favorite sound chip? this may include expantion chips for the famicom (vrc6/7, fds...) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410870/#p410870 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
