Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I'm using a bank called Monzo, and it's dead easy to see account number, sort code, and card number, provided you know your PIN.I just remember the security number and expiration date, since they're easy anyways.I used to have all my details memorised, but technology is encouraging me to be lazy.Also, LastPass is wonderful for passwords, maybe card numbers too. I'm not sure, I use Chrome, and Google Pay always gets there first. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593784/#p593784 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? Defender, I understand this, but it really is my personal preference not to entrust info to third party programs those backups would still be protected by that password, and I have both biometrics and passwords fail on me, where a program for some random reason would refuse to accept password info. Given that I don't have braillers with me, or paper, and the fact that I store unimportant accounts or accounts that also prompt for 2fa each time the same way, and the non-existant risk of damage to my finances in the event of theft, I store my payment info in this manner. Anyway, the op can probably weigh the pros and cons and decide how to store info. But for reading card info, scanners are the best and easiest way, and for some security bullshit reason, ocr programs, FineReader won't recognize the CVC code on the card as text. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593735/#p593735 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? Defender, I understand this, but it really is my personal preference not to entrust info to third party programs those backups would still be protected by that password, and I have both biometrics and passwords fail on me, where a program for some random reason would refuse to accept password info. Given that I don't have braillers with me, or paper, and the fact that I store unimportant accounts or accounts that also prompt for 2fa each time the same way, and the non-existant risk of damage to my finances in the event of theft, I store my payment info in this manner. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593735/#p593735 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesI know what you mean, but given you can use your fingerprint on mobile to get your passwords if your manager of choice supports that (most do) and making a good but easy to remember for personal reasons single password isn't that hard if you think about it, I'm not that worried my self.Many password managers can also export a protected backup of the database, which you could then store in a couple places with your normal backups. Most of these managers can even import data from others, so if yours happens to fail suddenly for some reason...Over all though I think that keeping a hardcopy in braille is probably the best bet. You can get a free slate if you live in the states, braille paper is cheap if you know where to look and large cardstock is nearly as good and can be found almost anywhere, and even if you can't get a free slate, they are often under 10 USD assuming you don't have some organization to just give you one. I'd still make at least two coppies in different locations just encase though, or have another secure form like an audio file on an MP3 player or a note on a braille display/notetaker. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593726/#p593726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesI know what you mean, but given you can use your fingerprint on mobile to get your passwords if your manager of choice supports that (most do) and making a good but easy to remember for personal reasons single password isn't that hard if you think about it, I'm not that worried my self.Many password managers can also export a protected backup of the database, which you could then store in a couple places with your normal backups. Most of these managers can even import data from others, so if yours happens to fail suddenly for some reason...Over all though I think that keeping a hardcopy in braille is probably the best bet. You can get a free slate if you live in the states, braille paper is cheap if you know where to look, and even if you can't get a free slate, they are often under 10 USD assuming you don't have some organization to just give you one. I'd still make at least two coppies in different locations just encase though, or have another secure form like an audio file on an MP3 player or a note on a braille display/notetaker. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593726/#p593726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesI know what you mean, but given you can use your fingerprint on mobile to get your passwords if your manager of choice supports that (most do) and making a good but easy to remember for personal reasons single password isn't that hard if you think about it, I'm not that worried my self.Many password managers can also export a protected backup of the database, which you could then store in a couple places with your normal backups. Most of these managers can even import data from others, so if yours happens to fail suddenly for some reason...Over all though I think that keeping a hardcopy in braille is probably the best bet. You can get a free slate if you live in the states, braille paper is cheap if you know where to look, and even if you can't get a free slate, they are often under 10 USD assuming you don't have some organization to just give you one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593726/#p593726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesI know what you mean, but given you can use your fingerprint on mobile to get your passwords if your manager of choice supports that (most do) and making a good but easy to remember single password isn't that hard if you think about it, I'm not that worried my self.Many password managers can also export a protected backup of the database, which you could then store in a couple places with your normal backups. Most of these managers can even import data from others, so if yours happens to fail suddenly for some reason...Over all though I think that keeping a hardcopy in braille is probably the best bet. You can get a free slate if you live in the states, braille paper is cheap if you know where to look, and even if you can't get a free slate, they are often under 10 USD assuming you don't have some organization to just give you one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593726/#p593726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesI know what you mean, but given you can use your fingerprint on mobile to get your passwords if your manager of choice supports that (most do) and making a good but easy to remember single password isn't that hard if you think about it, I'm not that worried my self.Many password managers can also export a protected backup of the database, which you could then store in a couple places with your normal backups. Most of these managers can even import data from others, so if yours happens to fail suddenly for some reason... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593726/#p593726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesI know what you mean, but given you can use your fingerprint on mobile to get your passwords if your manager of choice supports that (most do) and making a good but easy to remember single password isn't that hard if you think about it, I'm not that worried my self.Many password managers can also export a protected backup of the database, which you could then store in a couple places with your normal backups. Most of these managers can even import data from others. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593726/#p593726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? Defender, why add a whole new level of failure to my system with a password manager? What if the manager suddenly won't accept passwords, which has happened, or you forget its password, and then are denied access to it. That is also a really big disaster that could happen if you don't have your bank or card details. I really would not trust a third party program to store all my logins usernames and passwords as well as card or bank info.Ethin, malware has to first get onto your system to run, and as I stated, that is a low possibility with good security practices, and virtue of being a power user. Also important to add I don't grant anyone access to my system, and if it was someone OI knew very well, I wouldn't grant unsupervised access. This isn't a problem for a sighted person, as they can just pull out the card from the drawr and read it. This is my solution to a specificly blindy problem. As for card protections, if you are the cardholder, those protections apply to you. Also one reason its a good idea to use a credit card instead of a bank card, also good when merchants decide to be assholes and sneak in charges, or charge your card more and hope you don't notice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593722/#p593722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I'd trust a password manager over just storing them in text files. That's just a nasty explosion just waiting to happen. @enes, the protections claim you make only applies to standard users, and I doubt many of us use accounts that are standard users. And if you store the number in a file in your home directory or in a directory that's not hidden behind UAC/root permissions, anything can read or write to it, irrespective of its location on disk. So malware would have no trouble finding possible credit card numbers. All they'd need to do is scan the entire disk (and all attached disks), verifying on the way that they can access the directory, and if thye can, verify they can read each file and then read it. If they load it in chunks, you'd never even know its happening because nothing suspicious would be visible -- a process using 1-8 KB of RAM isn't all that uncommon, after all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593717/#p593717 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @enesOkay but you can still use a password manager right? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593703/#p593703 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? This is exactly what I mean. A sighted person doesn't need to remember a long string of numbers. It just puts unnecesary strain when combined with all the other things I have to memorize because I am blind Also, most people have several different cards, so that isn't really a viable stratigy unless you have photographic memory. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593698/#p593698 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I just had someone I trust to read it for me. And I remember it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593691/#p593691 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? 10, with modern operating systems and protection, the chances of getting malware are slim, alot slimmer if you are a power user. This is the only way you can access the info with the same ease as a sighted user can. Also, even if the info was captured in a scan, you aren't responsible for fraudulant charges for a credit card. You just call and cancel the card, reverse the charges and order another. To me, the convienence of having the info easily accessible to me is worth it.As for video calls, there is a better way. Scan your card, both front and back, but before doing so, peel off the film. Then a sighted person will be able to read the high resolution scan. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593678/#p593678 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I had a trusty sighted person on hand when I first got my card, and from their I copied the info into NordPass, my password manager of choice. Again, also have that on my phone so I can quickly access it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593643/#p593643 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: How do you take care of your payment info?
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I actually asked the person behind the counter at my local bank branch to tell me the card infos for my normal Giro Card that we use in Germany and my Creditcard.I haven't written them down anywhere, I am quite good with remembering numbers if having them heard twice or three times, so I actually don't need written info for all that stuf.I'm thinking though of putting them into some sort of password manager in case I do forget them, don't know which one yet because it needs to synk with iOS, Mac OS and Windows.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593571/#p593571 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I just have mine added as a "password" in KeePass, using the option for expiring passwords to store the expiration date. With strong encryption and a good passphrase, it is decently safe. And I have the database on my phone as well so it is easily on hand, even when I don't have internet access. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593564/#p593564 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? @mazenNo, I can't be sure of course, though this is still obviously better than be my eyes, but unfortunately OCR isn't accurate enough. If I had a trusted sighted person around, I'd go to them first though, or get them on a video call. I should have mentioned that.@enesIf I were to build a spywear or Malwear for finding payment info, the first thing I would do is to scan and copy all text files in the active user directory for groups of 16 numbers or keywords like Visa, bank, account, and card. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593562/#p593562 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? honestly the most hassle free way is to have text files containing this info on your pc, so you just copy and paste. But this isn't such a good idea if you don't live alone or have other people using the pc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593560/#p593560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I generally OCR the cards, type the resulting text into notepad on an old computer that hasn't been connected to the internet in years several times, go back through what I've typed and check if it all matches up and then bin the OCR capture and what I've typed in notepad. The process of typing things multiple times and them stepping through everything to see if it matches up is enough to make sure I'm not going to forget it any time soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593553/#p593553 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? Are you sure they deleted the picture though? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593551/#p593551 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I wrote mine down in braille after getting an Aira agent to read it and asking them to delete the picture. Audio is another good idea though, especially if it's on an external device without an internet connection. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593550/#p593550 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I have an audio recording of my mom reading off my card info on my Pen Friend. I have the security code and date written down on my phone because it changed since the recording was made. I really should just put all of it in to braille and tape it to the top of my computer tower or something. One of the great things about braille is, most people can't read it, so you don't have to worry about someone walking in and reading your passwords. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593535/#p593535 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I'm very forgetful, so I put my card details on social media so that people can tell me what they are whenever I need them!Seriously though I can't really help with your question unfortunately because I learn all the numbers by heart. If I didn't, I would probably get somebody to read it, and then braille it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593521/#p593521 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I use 1 Password URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593513/#p593513 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I got someone to read the card so that I could make an audio recording on my victor stream, used that to memorise the credit card info, and now just have it in my head.Ditto with my bank account number and sort code for when I need to phone the bank. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593489/#p593489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: How do you take care of your payment info? I got someone to read the card so that I could make an audio recording on my victor stream, used that to memorise the credit card info, and now just have it in my head. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593489/#p593489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
