Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games There use to be a pretty good text game maker in the late 90s called adrift.It use to be free, then I think it became paid.It was quite easy to use for basic stuff, but got a bit complicated if you wanted to use variables and events to make certain tasks trigger. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/571240/#p571240 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Theoretically speaking, making text games is equal to a whole bunch of variable substitutions. So, if it were open sourced, all we need to do would be changing the variable names. But unfortunately not. I don't even know if the developer is active somewhere on the internet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/571211/#p571211 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games I wasn't really talking about interactive fiction and the like, but the engine Morokuma used to create games like Tia Story and Heaven and Earth War, which if I remember correctly are text based (but also include music and sound), use menus to travel between rooms and manipulate objects, and have a turn-based combat system built-in. It would be nice to have a version of that engine (called Text Game Maker, if memory serves), designed for the English language. TGM is made in HSP, so someone like Yukio with enough knowledge of both languages could translate it, but unfortunately the program isn't open source. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/571083/#p571083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games God knows why they developed these games in it. Nevertheless it is very easy, and if anybody wants to make the game relatively easily because they have an idea about the story but don't want to program much then this can be useful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570842/#p570842 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games That's what it sounded like you meant. It's just very surprising to me that people would actually want to do that. Mud clients are very scriptable, but there's like a million better tools for that job. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570727/#p570727 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games I call it "writing the game in ZMUD" but by that I mean scripting ZMUD so that it behaves like a standalone game. Awesome RPG games were created with it! I am sorry for confusion, english is not my native language URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570721/#p570721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Inform is fine. I don't know how well it works with non-English languages, but lots of people have used it.Frankly trying to write a stand-alone game in Zmud, you might as well use a terminal and Python or something. Do you mean z-code or z-machine instead? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570693/#p570693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Chinese classic games like "Yianying" or "Rivers And Lakes" were made in ZMUD. Is Inform accessible? I didnt know! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570687/#p570687 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Yeah and I don't seem to recall Zmud being all that accessible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570681/#p570681 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Why would anyone ever make a standalone game in zmud? if you want standalone interactive fiction go grab Inform and call it a day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570675/#p570675 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games You can create standalone games in ZMUD. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570644/#p570644 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games That's what I thought too. I'm talking about the tool Morokuma used to make his text RPG's. ZMUD was a MUD client. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568608/#p568608 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Zmud? Isn't that a mud client? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568521/#p568521 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games ZMUD will work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568445/#p568445 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Off topic note, is there anything similar to Text Game Maker in English? If not, it would be great if the original software got an English translation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568387/#p568387 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Yes. This is the official one, so you don't have to worry. You'll be able to focus on translating alternative magic, but the amount of text is massive.Oh wait, if you dump the original source and translated version into separate branches on a git repository, you can directly translate the game and even maintain the translation while perfectly keeping up-to-date with the latest official version? Nice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568339/#p568339 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Yes. This is the official one, so you don't have to worry. You'll be able to focus on translating alternative magic, but the amount of text is massive.Oh wait, if you dump the original source and translated version into separate branches on a git repository, you can directly translate the game and even maintain the translation? Nice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568339/#p568339 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Yes. This is the official one, so you don't have to worry. You'll be able to focus on translating alternative magic, but the amount of text is massive. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568339/#p568339 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games The source code of a text game, I believe alternative magic to help translating the game, since the person speaks Japanese they have a readme file to look at. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568328/#p568328 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games @11, mind providing an explanation for precisely what this is? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568327/#p568327 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games https://hirotaka2014.sakura.ne.jp/mh040 … 119src.lzh URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568309/#p568309 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Topic reported URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568123/#p568123 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Just ask the developers to allow you to translate them, I guess? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568059/#p568059 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Ahoy.Hope to make my intent clear: I want to translate these games into English. To do so, I will need the game text (strings) in order to feed them into my CAT tool. Playing through these games with a text hooker would take too long so I found decompilation to be the fastest method to pluck these strings. I am unaware of other methods at this time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/568023/#p568023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games BTW:#epack "start.ax"will efficiently protect your program from this particular software. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567939/#p567939 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games @Ethin, I know this compiler, and if they need only the strings then they will get them just the same, so no big deal if they don't want to change the game internals. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567938/#p567938 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games The problem with decompilation tools like this is your not going to get back the original code at all. Good luck actually figuring out how the code works; if HSP compiles directly to machine code like I suspect it does, good luck getting anything useful out of a decompiler. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567923/#p567923 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Everything everywhere is little endian for the most part. The only real exception I can think of offhand are some network protocols. There are other exceptions but in general if you want to be efficient you code as little endian and call it a day because that's what all popular modern microprocessors use by default.Decompiling isn't illegal unless the software had an EULA that says that it is, but since the sighting gaming industry is allowing for mods even in those cases half the time, I'm not so sure this is that big a deal. It's kind of in poor taste to come here and be like "here is how to decompile everyone's games", and this will probably start up a bunch of discussions on how to protect source code shortly, but it probably doesn't cross the line of illegal given that audiogames don't even have or present EULAs, or if it is it's the kind of illegal that would be really hard to defend in court. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567889/#p567889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Nuno wrote:1. That is not legal.2. This will not work with some games, notably NN3 and Shadow Rine.Hm.. If I cannot decompile, I might have to take a longer route to hook into text strings at runtime. It's convoluted but it may work. Back to the drawing board. (Ghidra is too dense.)1. I've found HSP is a variant of BASIC, written in Visual Studio (C+, I think) with Little Endian encoding. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567879/#p567879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Nuno wrote:1. That is not legal.2. This will not work with some games, notably NN3 and Shadow Rine.Hm.. If I cannot decompile, I might have to take a longer route to hook into text strings at runtime. It's convoluted but it may work. Back to the drawing board. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567879/#p567879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games Games like Tia story are not even in HSP as far as I know. Text Game Maker or whatever this tool is called is in HSP, but the games themselves aren't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567815/#p567815 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games
Re: Tool: Decompiling Hot Soup Processor Games 1. That is not legal.2. This will not work with some games, notably NN3 and Shadow Rine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567814/#p567814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
