Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. Numerik

2008-10-22 Thread harmonic
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Robin Bowes
DeVerm wrote: DCtoDaylight;351968 Wrote: Look at it this way, everybody has taken an aspirin at some point in their life, but one pill won't reduce your risk of stroke. Low dosages, over a long time, will. So a short term ABX test would produce one result, a long term ABX would produce

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 + Cambridge DacMagic ($400) Review

2008-10-22 Thread bugmenot
Have you had time to try out the USB input on the Dacmagic and, if so, could you please share your impressions? I'm interested in how this will match with a PS3's and PC's USB. -- bugmenot bugmenot's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Making Pop Sound through Speakers

2008-10-22 Thread Thanaset
Phil Leigh;351550 Wrote: That pretty much nails it for me - sounds like there may be a tiny fault (probably a bad electrolytic capacitor) on the right channel of the Numerik output stage. If the popping was on both channels that would have probably indicated a different problem. Good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Making Pop Sound through Speakers

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
Thanaset;352093 Wrote: Hi Phil I hope you get this message. After a long conversation on the phone, my dealer agreed to send a courier to pick the Numerik up tomorrow. I had to try really hard to convince him that there is something wrong with the Numerik. He said he will ask an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
pablolie;351985 Wrote: Are you measuring the right interface given the fact that what you are trying to explain is the different sound to your ears? Are you really, *REALLY* sure that that is nthe only interface that has possibly changed? Are there no other possible interactions between

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Making Pop Sound through Speakers

2008-10-22 Thread Thanaset
Phil Leigh;352102 Wrote: However, while it is away/before they collect it you could try connecting the SB to the Cyrus via its analogue outputs (removethe Numerik completely) and see if the popping is still there... that would indicate a problem in the amp (unlikely). Thanks for a very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Loss from Ethernet Cable?

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
krochat;252228 Wrote: It looks like we've discussed this before: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=199365#post199365 The GW Labs DSP uses a different sample rate converter (a Cirrus Logic 8420) in an all-out design effort. Perhaps if the TacT RCS used a dedicated linear power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread opaqueice
DeVerm;352008 Wrote: You are right that you have control and can listen to each sample as long as you want. But that is not the way it is done: samples are mostly 10-20 seconds long and intervals between two samples are often 0.5-1 second. Evidence for mostly? I've done quite a few blind

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
I'm gonna split up in multiple posts a bit because it's just to diverse to include it all into 1 post; opaqueice;352132 Wrote: Evidence for mostly? I've done quite a few blind tests, and some were done with quick switches, some with long. Same goes with the ones I've read about - in fact I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Loss from Ethernet Cable?

2008-10-22 Thread Kuro
musicinmind;250911 Wrote: My files are primarily 16/44.1 aiff (Apple computer) that I have ripped from my own cd's. I also have a few hundred hours of 24 bit/48 aiff files that I've recorded at shows myself with two Neumann U89i's. Thanks again... The problem is your rip. Apple

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Wombat
DeVerm;352167 Wrote: 5-30s samples My conclusion: in audio ABX testing, short 5-30s samples are used. The reason is that they follow the CCIR recommendations from 1978. I do believe that you use longer samples but I am referring to large scale testing incl. the Muraoka et al. 1978;

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Loss from Ethernet Cable?

2008-10-22 Thread Forrest
musicinmind;250913 Wrote: . . . Audio quality is still significantly inferior to CD transport. (Parasound CBD-2000 belt drive) . . . Musicmind, I too have a Parasound CBD-2000 transport but coupled to a Levinson No.36 DAC via AES/EBU. I'm also running a SB Receiver via Toslink to the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
opaqueice;352132 Wrote: Again, you're attacking a straw man. I said nothing of the sort. There are all sorts of ways in which research can be wrong, and lying is dead last on the list. It's quite rare - but wrong research is very, very common. Well... okay, I'll go with that although you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
Wombat;352175 Wrote: The fact these samples are that short are simply cause of copyright laws. You can´t post samples longer. Look at the samples, lots of them are sounds, no commercial song recordings. Also, the samples used in the Muraoka et al. 1978; Plenge et al. 1979 studies were so

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware Upsamplers

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
Has anyone any experience of one of these? I'd like to use something similar to up the 44.1 out of the SB to 96 for nput to my TACT... http://www.sonifex.co.uk/redbox/rbsc1_ld.shtml -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Please delete

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
SORRY double post - please delete -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
:o( My thread has been polluted (sob). Can anyone with a scope and a TACT replicate my findings? My analogue scope is 60Mhz. Hardly state of the art I know but is its bandwidth too low to study spdif signals? (should I ever return to the original question in the thread title!) Cheers Phil --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Wombat
At least you posted to pages where some of the samples are found by me myself :) I offered these short samples cause they were long enough to show isolated problems with specific mp3 encoders. And yes, as i remember we used short samples also to avoid fatiguing when testing more versions against

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
Wombat;352195 Wrote: Edit: Sorry Phil for going Off-Topic. Even me that writes seldom here couldn´t overread the lng posts of these people on their mission. 's okay Wombat - you weren't the first :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Themis
I will personally stop polluting this thread. After all, I don't care about convincing anybody about any facts, this was not the point of my post -it was purely informative. Facts are the same whether some people believe in them or not, we're all adults, and each one of us has his own experience

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;352208 Wrote: I will personally stop polluting this thread. After all, I don't care about convincing anybody about any facts, this was not the point of my post -it was purely informative. Facts are the same whether some people believe in them or not, we're all adults, and each one of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
Same here, sorry Phil. Will start a separate thread next time and stop off-topic posts here. Actually, I have been thinking about your problem. My observation from your photo's is that the tops from the 5th-7th harmonics are clearly missing from the square wave. As the fundamental was 1 kHz,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp

2008-10-22 Thread xanadu
I'm glad that a few people finally got it. Thanks for the input on the other amps. I do have another listening area for critical listening. I mentioned this in this forum because I thought that some of the brighter members would have an opinion on the amp. Instead a few found it necessary to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
DeVerm;352213 Wrote: Same here, sorry Phil. Will start a separate thread next time and stop off-topic posts here. Actually, I have been thinking about your problem. My observation from your photo's is that the tops from the 5th-7th harmonics are clearly missing from the square wave. As

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread opaqueice
DeVerm;352167 Wrote: Well, I just spent another 30 minutes searching the net for long samples and I didn't find a single one! So I stick with my statement. Here is what I find: snip My conclusion: in audio ABX testing, short 5-30s samples are used. You regard an internet search for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
Another thought: Your scope should have a test-square-wave output on the front. It's analog and you should calibrate your probes on it using the little adjustment-screw (capacitor). Also, something that Mr. O observed already (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=348946postcount=46) but

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread Phil Leigh
opaqueice;352224 Wrote: You regard an internet search for copyright-constrained ABX samples as evidence that most ABX testing uses short samples, and from there conclude that the ABX protocol is invalid? Don't be silly. It is true that there is evidence that some differences are easier to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 + Cambridge DacMagic ($400) Review

2008-10-22 Thread ajmitchell
Sorry this is not a priority for me right now, but I did just post some pics http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=352250#post352250 -- ajmitchell ajmitchell's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hypersonic effect: high frequency spectrum listening experience

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
This thread is a continuation of off-topic posts that started with post #96 on this page: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345page=10 It's about the research done in Japan that was published in 2000 of which you can find a copy here:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
opaqueice;352224 Wrote: You regard an internet search for copyright-constrained ABX samples as evidence that most ABX testing uses short samples, and from there conclude that the ABX protocol is invalid? Don't be silly. continued here:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dead end or not...

2008-10-22 Thread bhaagensen
Hi, lots of forum-activity recently on some pretty serious topics such as spdif on a scope, new dac from Cambridge etc. All interesting. On a, literally lighter, note you might now that the chains, cog wheels, and levers that will allow us to play back audio on the Controller are being forged in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hypersonic effect: high frequency spectrum listening experience

2008-10-22 Thread sebp
You said that : opaqueice;351963 Wrote: DeVerm;351942 Wrote: The document clearly states that Pioneer is the manufacturer and not Tsutomu Oohashi. Oohashi works for 1) Department of KANSEI Brain Science, ATR Human Information Processing Research Laboratories, Kyoto; and 2) Department

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...

2008-10-22 Thread opaqueice
Phil Leigh;352232 Wrote: Mr O - with the greatest of respect (and that is NOT a phrase I use lightly) - could I beg you to apply your brain power to my question and to take your discussions on the ABX issue with Nick to another thread. I need both of your different wisdoms applied to my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dead end or not...

2008-10-22 Thread funkstar
bhaagensen;352271 Wrote: ...and please forgive me this post. I don't even *understand* this post :) What were you expecting, or hoping for, when you took a photo of the mini jack? -- funkstar funkstar's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hypersonic effect: high frequency spectrum listening experience

2008-10-22 Thread DeVerm
sebp;352273 Wrote: Could it be simply possible that Mr Oohashi, for this experiment, asked Pioneer to manufacture speakers according to his specs? I even suspect that these speakers were never sold at all but just manufactured for this test. I see that Pioneer does sell speakers that can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware Upsamplers

2008-10-22 Thread DCtoDaylight
It would be interesting to know what chip it uses for the data rate conversion. There are only a handful of devices on the market that do this, unless they've taken in inboard on an FPGA, and I would think you can draw some broad similarities between products using the same IC's. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hypersonic effect: high frequency spectrum listening experience

2008-10-22 Thread DCtoDaylight
Hope this moves over to the new thread properly... DCtoDaylight;351968 Wrote: Medical ABX tests routinely run for months and sometimes years, in order to properly evaluate the results. It may not be convenient to do that with audio gear, but I personally believe that's what's required.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dead end or not...

2008-10-22 Thread seanadams
OP wants a mini-jack with toslink, like apple uses. Interesting mod opportunity I guess, but I fail to imagine any general appeal for that in a mobile product. This is why it's usually bundled with an SBR. -- seanadams

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dead end or not...

2008-10-22 Thread seanadams
But I give you props for creativity. :) -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54078