Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: Ralph, My apologies for asking such an obvious question about DSD downloads here. Of course, everyone here is too cheap to buy $100/ft USB cables and unworthy of Chateau Petrus or Louis XIII. Clearly, you guys are not True Believers in the Audiophile Experience (TBAE).

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: Wow! Just like an other religion audiophilia allows for atonement and redemption. So with that in mind I've decided to start small and slowly work my back into the fold without destroying my credit rating. Therefore my first purchase will be this Premium Upgrade Headphone

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread RonM
I particularly like this quote: While the electrical signal in the conductor moves at the speed of light, the charge propagation in dielectric material is limited to approximately 78 percent of the speed of light. The discharge of the dielectric lags behind the charge in the conductor, causing a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: Ahhh! Great to hear of the good news... The saints and all TBAEs rejoice with you! Clearly the scales covering your eyes have been removed and the bondage around your unrepentant heart has been broken. Now, if you would only complete your salvation... We heard that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: I'm hoping that buying a pair of these interconnects will at least make me a bishop, albeit a very poor one. Alas, no sir, remember, for it is easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than mere mortals to achieve the upper echelons! Bishop status requires the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: Alas, no sir, remember, for it is easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than mere mortals to achieve the upper echelons! Bishop status requires the -whole house- to be rewired with Audioquest Diamond ethernet cables on top of the aforementioned

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread ralphpnj
RonM wrote: I particularly like this quote: While the electrical signal in the conductor moves at the speed of light, the charge propagation in dielectric material is limited to approximately 78 percent of the speed of light. The discharge of the dielectric lags behind the charge in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-27 Thread Archimago
Yeah, clearly it's audible... But no problem. Since these cables have a 30-day return policy, just -believe-, buy, and send it back if you don't like it... You only lose a smidgen on transportation costs! :-) Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread Mnyb
Archimago wrote: Yup... All valid points and I wish we could just have straightforward information on pedigree. Like the SPARS code in the old days, it was all meant to be a simple designation. The Wiki notes both Lack of detail and Implications of quality as very valid criticisms as well.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread Archimago
Ralph, My apologies for asking such an obvious question about DSD downloads here. Of course, everyone here is too cheap to buy $100/ft USB cables and unworthy of Chateau Petrus or Louis XIII. Clearly, you guys are not True Believers in the Audiophile Experience (TBAE). Heed the words of *I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread Mnyb
Other things to consider . HD tracks have a lot of 24/192 that actually are SACD rips ? what about the ultrasonic grunge in those ? and how to classify that . More interesting why not use the intrinsic resolution in the recording itself as a benchmark . Old analog 60's rock classic master

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: You know, I would not be surprised if by doing this - suppressing dissent - sites like this ends up shooting themselves in the foot. I suspect a good amount of traffic was created by the debates and dialogue. Sure, they might create some kind of oasis of audiophilic cultish

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread Archimago
Mnyb wrote: Other things to consider . HD tracks have a lot of 24/192 that actually are SACD rips ? what about the ultrasonic grunge in those ? and how to classify that . More interesting why not use the intrinsic resolution in the recording itself as a benchmark . Old analog 60's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: Dammit man, stop with the DSD crap, guys :-). So has anyone bought an actual DSD download yet?! Archimago you of all people should know that attempting to play a DSD download using anything less than a $100/per foot audiophile USB cable will result in just about the worst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-26 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: A classic example of what it is like when extreme cynicism matches reality. You know, I would not be surprised if by doing this - suppressing dissent - sites like this ends up shooting themselves in the foot. I suspect a good amount of traffic was created by the debates and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: I like the overall idea of some kind simple rating system and your suggestions are spot on. Now to throw a monkey wrench into the works - what about DSD downloads? From what I gathered DSD recordings cannot be mixed and edited in native DSD and must be converted to PCM

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: Multitracked and complex mixes will need PCM editing as you noted. I think the most we can ask for is something like a declaration of Direct DSD Album for the best that DSD can afford. How about something like this: *HH(DSD)* - hi-res PCM recording and production (maybe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread Archimago
Wombat wrote: Showing? Real measurement? When it comes to JS i read since years that people use him as prove because he measured and heard something with measuring on some groundplate under some circumstances on some equipment on some sunny day... Then comes some talk throwing in 3 tech

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: Seriously you expected AudioStream NOT to block your login? Since the whole thing is about making money by pedaling BS anyone who calls out their total BS is going to be banned, it's that simple. Anyway please keep up the good fight. I think it's funny how in the New Rules

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread Wombat
Archimago wrote: Maybe John Swenson can show us something since they seem to like what he says. Alas, it looks like they've blocked my login! I don't think I was nasty over there and don't remember any heated exchanges... I guess dissenting opinion is eating into the bottom line. Showing?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: No I don't think it's unnecessarily literal... Fact is that I think even DSD can be coded in some way after seeing all the SACD rips where the original signal looks to be nothing but upsampled 44/48kHz. So I think seriously it can be done. The question is why bother as you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: Archimago you are way too literal since I was only trying to make a point about how the concept of audio purity goes right the window when there's money to be made. The DSD craze/nonsense is just a perfect example. As for using DSD files, I can't since I only use run of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread Wombat
Archimago wrote: I haven't see him around these parts for awhile now. Wasn't he working on some cool DAC? (I see Bottlehead DAC in search engines.) I didn't see a built DAC or other device from him reviewed lately but i am not on much places. No idea what he is busy with. Maybe retired?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: I think it's funny how in the New Rules post he puts us this little rant on being civil and respectful. And how he was tired of dealing with comments that are abusive, disrespectful, slanderous, and completely lacking in any relevance to the post at hand. You know, I kind

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread rgro
I believe that JS, Triode, and JackofAll were all involved, to some unknown degree, in the cluster f*** that was the Community Squeeze project. To a great extent---and maybe I'm completely off base in assuming it's relatedbut the three of them have been very scarce here ever since. Rg

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-25 Thread ralphpnj
rgro wrote: I believe that JS, Triode, and JackofAll were all involved, to some unknown degree, in the cluster f*** that was the Community Squeeze project. To a great extent---and maybe I'm completely off base in assuming it's relatedbut the three of them have been very scarce here

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-23 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: Good question...What do you guys think? Maybe we can brainstorm a way to propose something like this as a blog post for posterity... I like the overall idea of some kind simple rating system and your suggestions are spot on. Now to throw a monkey wrench into the works - what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-21 Thread Mnyb
Wombat wrote: I have no idea if this helps. None if it guarantees good sound. My biggest problem with downloads in online shops today is how the 16/44.1 version is created from the HiBit version in the same shop. It is a gamble. When asking before buying you normaly get no answer. Yes if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-21 Thread Archimago
Mushroom_3 wrote: Thanks for another really interesting blog Archimago. At what point does this become fraud? Good question... I guess it's especially important to remember -caveat emptor- when we're wading in the high resolution domain of data downloads. Unless there are some guidelines

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-21 Thread Archimago
Wombat wrote: I have no idea if this helps. None if it guarantees good sound. My biggest problem with downloads in online shops today is how the 16/44.1 version is created from the HiBit version in the same shop. It is a gamble. When asking before buying you normaly get no answer. True,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-21 Thread Wombat
I have no idea if this helps. None if it guarantees good sound. My biggest problem with downloads in online shops today is how the 16/44.1 version is created from the HiBit version in the same shop. It is a gamble. When asking before buying you normaly get no answer. Transporter (modded) -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-21 Thread Wombat
Mnyb wrote: Yes if the 24/192 , 24/96 and 16/44.1 version really sounds dramatically different from any download vendor I would be -realy- suspicious I lately was shopping for the last Ben Howard and asked qobuz about the different versions but got no answer. I did byte the bullet and got me

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-21 Thread Mnyb
Wombat wrote: I lately was shopping for the last Ben Howard and asked qobuz about the different versions but got no answer. I did bite the bullet and got me the 24/48 version after finding no real info on the net. The 24/48 version is indeed 5dB less compressed. Imho i should be able to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-15 Thread Mushroom_3
Thanks for another really interesting blog Archimago. At what point does this become fraud? Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-12 Thread Bill50x
ralphpnj wrote: The second sentence is exactly the response that HDTracks always gives whenever there is any question about the quality of their overpriced garbage: We just sell whatever garbage the labels give us (and keep the money!) I've written to HD-Tracks about the compressed files

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-03-12 Thread ralphpnj
Bill50x wrote: I've written to HD-Tracks about the compressed files they sell as more dynamic and have so far got no answer. I mean, what's the point of 24/192-files if the dynamics are like 5 dB lower (which often is the case, not always however) than the original CD? Now, dynamics isn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-02-07 Thread Julf
Archimago wrote: It'll be interesting how this gets addressed since it's such a flagrant deficit! I mean, taking the 16-bit file, amplify by 0.1dB in a 24-bit container to make it sound a little louder and better!? Add a little temporal misalignment to we can't directly compare without a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-02-07 Thread ralphpnj
Thanks Archimago! Another excellent blog post. I love this comment by Rafael Lino: Your friend should send an email to Qobuz, they will answer or at least see in to that problem. From what I'm told they work with what the sources give to them. The second sentence is exactly the response that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-02-06 Thread Wombat
Archimago wrote: Folks... For a relatively high profile album, this is truly awful! http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-bob-dylans-shadows-in.html Impressive! Your blog is much better as wathing TV often enough manwhile and now with voice! Very entertaining :) This discovery

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-02-06 Thread Archimago
Wombat wrote: Impressive! Your blog is much better as wathing TV often enough manwhile and now with voice! Very entertaining :) This discovery just shows one more time what the business and so called professionals think of us customers. P.S.: I just redownloaded track 1 at qobuz in

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bob Dylan's Shadows In The Night - when 24-bit HRA isn't!

2015-02-06 Thread Archimago
Folks... For a relatively high profile album, this is truly awful! http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-bob-dylans-shadows-in.html Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog.