The first, and possibly only, time I heard what could be understood as
"true" quad sound was at an ELP concert. It was at a hockey arena, Maple
Leaf Gardens, in Toronto, and we had cheap seats up in the grays. Turns
out the ushers decided on some random basis that our particular seats
were
MichaelJ wrote:
> Back in 1970 our quad setup consisted of a radio in each corner of the
> room listening to Casey Kasem's Top40.
> We applied judicious amounts of herbals to convince ourselves that we
> had achieved surround sound.
I remember the first time I heard stereophonic sound in the
Back in 1970 our quad setup consisted of a radio in each corner of the
room listening to Casey Kasem's Top40.
We applied judicious amounts of herbals to convince ourselves that we
had achieved surround sound.
MichaelJ's
MichaelJ wrote:
> Hopefully their new vinyl will be quadraphonic with a brilliant new
> analog MQA encoding.
> An audiophool's wet dream.
Hi Michael!
I'm old enough to remember Virgin's SQ release of Tubular Bells which
proclaimed that it was "for people with four ears"! At least they
Golden Earring wrote:
> Shock! Horror!
>
> Sony ceased vinyl production in 1989, so this is unexpected.
>
> I am anticipating an apoplectic reaction to this revelation... ;)
>
> Davex :cool:
Hopefully their new vinyl will be quadraphonic with a brilliant new
analog MQA encoding.
An
Wombat wrote:
> Aren't you in danger to get sued by apple when using the 'i' with
> something similar, another fruit? I suggest a vegetable like 'i'broccoli
> ;)
Hi Wombat!
I really think that my poor Brokklyx has taken enough stick!
Recalling the old definition of expert to be ex as in "has
Aren't you in danger to get sued by apple when using the 'i' with
something similar, another fruit? I suggest a vegetable like 'i'broccoli
;)
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Shock! Horror!
Sony ceased vinyl production in 1989, so this is unexpected.
I am anticipating an apoplectic reaction to this revelation... ;)
Davex :cool:
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drmatt wrote:
> I remember when "X" was the letter you added to words to make them
> cool...
:D :D :D
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I remember when "X" was the letter you added to words to make them
cool...
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drmatt wrote:
> Nice one Dave. Sounds like one for an episode of The Apprentice.. :)
The hardest part was thinking of a fruit with a negative connotation -
finally I got to "buying a lemon"...
Dave :cool:
Golden
Golden Earring wrote:
>
> .
>
> "Every system needs an iLemon" :D
>
> Dave :cool:
>
> P.S. I quite often wear the t-shirt!
Nice one Dave. Sounds like one for an episode of The Apprentice.. :)
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drmatt wrote:
> Personal insult escalation so quickly? I normally need at least five
> messages to raise your blood pressure. You got up early to type this
> rant. I think you are the only one confused about my position and my
> observations.
>
> Long and short is that I'm not trying to "win"
drmatt wrote:
> Apple are a bit special aren't they. Or they were. Perhaps they need to
> find a new industry to innovate in? It seems their approach to the ones
> they are currently in is becoming quite stale.
When my #2 daughter finished her psychology degree, she announced her
intention to
Personal insult escalation so quickly? I normally need at least five
messages to raise your blood pressure. You got up early to type this
rant. I think you are the only one confused about my position and my
observations.
Long and short is that I'm not trying to "win" anything, it's really
only
drmatt wrote:
> This is barely luke warm, not heated. We are calm. Well, I am.. ;)
>
> You can fairly accuse me of giving an incomplete answer.
No, I can fairly accuse you of obfuscation. The only question is whether
it is intentional or not.
Now "Dr Matt" you have further obfuscated by
This is barely luke warm, not heated. We are calm. Well, I am.. ;)
I realised of course that android, osX, numerous zillions of
infrastructure devices the world over are Linux based and therefore open
source based. And yet, my Linux based smart TV won't play Ogg Vorbis
files. Why is that? They
drmatt wrote:
> No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open
> source with a bargepole.
>
Hi guys!
It's all got a bit heated on this thread & I don't want to get involved
in the vitriolic stuff.
Nevertheless, it seems to me that Logitech's decision to ditch our
drmatt wrote:
> I've usually observed that markets where there is a defacto generic
> product tend towards less variety, so I don't know what's irrational
> about that. Hipster kickstarters aside, most consumers wouldn't buy
> anything but the defacto "good enough", and those that do explore
>
drmatt wrote:
> No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open
> source with a bargepole.
>
Many of us already have evidence in their possession that the majority
of businesses and individuals that use cell phones already use open
source software.
Consider that 100s
pippin wrote:
> MQA certification primarily means you pay a license fee and then you can
> use the label.
Yes agree , then we migth ask how inportant they think their own spec is
.
drmatt wrote:
> Indeed. Presumably "mqa certification" just means "thou shalt implement
> a bunch of filters
arnyk wrote:
> You have evidence that the FLAC developers refused to sign contracts or
> support their product for a reasonable fee?
>
> I doubt it.
No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open
source with a bargepole.
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drmatt wrote:
> But as you know companies will always prefer to use a format with a
> contract and support rather than one without, where they may find
> themselves with a bunch of support case and no expertise or will to fix
> it.
>
You have evidence that the FLAC developers refused to sign
drmatt wrote:
> Seriously, why do you have a problem with my nickname? Not only is it
> completely and utterly irrelevant, it's actually not even untrue.. lol
>
I'm afraid that I'm a prisoner of your earlier obfuscation and
apparently false claims on that topic. Given your history related to
arnyk wrote:
> Given "Dr Matt" (a fraudulent nickname)
Seriously, why do you have a problem with my nickname? Not only is it
completely and utterly irrelevant, it's actually not even untrue.. lol
I'm aware that small high end hifi companies undoubtedly suffer from
enhanced pressure to turn a
But as you know companies will always prefer to use a format with a
contract and support rather than one without, where they may find
themselves with a bunch of support case and no expertise or will to fix
it.
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Wombat wrote:
> For Meridian it may be the needed follow-up for MLP licensing. They had
> to develop something new licensible so they create some magic around it
> to get the income they are used to.
AFAIK MLP was not appreciably better than FLAC which was as I recall in
the public domain. It
For Meridian it may be the needed follow-up for MLP licensing. They had
to develop something new licensible so they create some magic around it
to get the income they are used to.
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drmatt wrote:
> I doubt it. 2008 was a long time ago, and nothing going on there yet...
>
> And really? Scamming the public? You really think they are sitting there
> trying to think of something that they can sell knowing full well it
> does nothing and cackling into their capes as they swoosh
drmatt wrote:
> I don't think the word "fraud" should be on anyone's lips. Misguided,
> naive, weak minded, arguable, but let's not overstate things.
I generally follow the principle "do not ascribe to malice that which
can be explained by incompetence".
But frankly I don't think Bob Stuart is
cliveb wrote:
> After everything I've seen emerge about MQA, it's becoming increasingly
> clear that it is a cynical attempt to extract more cash from punters
> through FUD.
>
> The people who have built this system almost certainly know full well
> that it's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
>
cliveb wrote:
> If they were in the financial or pharmaceutical industry they'd probably
> be a in jail by now.
I doubt it. 2008 was a long time ago, and nothing going on there yet...
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After everything I've seen emerge about MQA, it's becoming increasingly
clear that it is a cynical attempt to extract more cash from punters
through FUD.
The people who have built this system almost certainly know full well
that it's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
And they also know that if
MQA certification primarily means you pay a license fee and then you can
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Mnyb wrote:
> It's seems that mqa can be implemented differently ( which is strange
> given what they say they ate doing ...)
> So it can be intresting to see how diffrent DAC's switch filters and
> varies other settings and implement the noise shaping dither etc ?
Indeed. Presumably "mqa
It's seems that mqa can be implemented differently ( which is strange
given what they say they ate doing ...)
So it can be intresting to see how diffrent DAC's switch filters and
varies other settings and implement the noise shaping dither etc ?
arnyk wrote:
> Just goes to show that you can't teach Placebophiles about audio.
>
> In general if you do proper listening comparisons among DACs, you can't
> reliably hear the difference between a $7.95 DAC from eBay and the Mytec
> or Benchmark products, as good as they are and as mediocre
Golden Earring wrote:
> Hi Archimago!
>
> I agree entirely with your prophecy that MQA will be judged by
> audiophile history to have been a "7 day wonder".
>
> However I note from one of your earlier blog posts that a friend of
> yours has a Mytek Brooklyn DAC (which has hardware MQA
Archimago wrote:
> I don't know how much money Meridian/MQA/TIDAL/record industry want to
> burn with pushing MQA to keep this going... I won't be surprised if by
> this time next year, everyone will have moved on (including the aging
> audiophile mainstream press writers, their shills, and
Wombat wrote:
> I picked some info here and there but your summary is the most complete
> i did read. Well done!
> Funny is how the aliased HF crap from 'unfold' 2 by some is
> misinterpreted as original content because of BS using cloudy wordings.
And that's an important observation about MQA,
Interesting reading. I can vouch for the Chord DACs sounding quite
obviously special but don't have a meridian experience to talk about..
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Great job - as usual!
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
I picked some info here and there but your summary is the most complete
i did read. Well done!
Funny is how the aliased HF crap from 'unfold' 2 by some is
misinterpreted as original content because of BS using cloudy wordings.
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I honestly don't see anything "good" here that argues for higher
fidelity... Also good for HIRESAUDIO for not selling this kind of
questionable
Did you take the blue pill again?
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Golden Earring wrote:
> Since all our "realities" are a construct by our brains from a set of
> tiny electrical impulses, it is entirely possible that we are all wrong
> :cool:
Or if we only exist as a computer simulation...
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In
Julf wrote:
> Ah, yes, or induce it chemically. :)
>
> With "CA", I was actually referring to a certain commercial web forum,
> not the state, but that forum is a state of mind too...
Since all our "realities" are a construct by our brains from a set of
tiny electrical impulses, it is entirely
Golden Earring wrote:
> I think anyone prepared to live in a major active earthquake zone (when
> they could obviously afford to live elsewhere) needs a substantial
> element of subjectivity in their psyche...
>
Ah, yes, or induce it chemically. :)
With "CA", I was actually referring to a
Julf wrote:
> Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look over at CA... :)
I think anyone prepared to live in a major active earthquake zone (when
they could obviously afford to live elsewhere) needs a substantial
element of subjectivity in their psyche...
Dave :)
RonM wrote:
> I suspect that the impacts of climate change will be the BIG THING over
> the near future.
>
>
As is probably well known, the current US President is a global warming
denier, and is deconstructing our environmental regulatory
infrastructure.
One of his major properties which
RonM wrote:
> Not sure about that. I think climate change is already having
> substantial effects on many of us. We lose track of that because the
> change element can be buried, from an immediate-experience point of
> view, by being embedded in the general fabric of our daily life.
> Extreme
Archimago wrote:
> Yup. I don't know about the "good riddance" part.
>
> But IMO there are greater challenges coming -way- before global climate
> change impacts most of our lives in very turbulent ways!
Not sure about that. I think climate change is already having
substantial effects on many
cliveb wrote:
> Actually the Earth *does* have plenty of time to deal with it. It's the
> human race that doesn't.
>
> If we stuff up the global climate enough to wipe out mankind (and
> possibly take out some other innocent bystanding species with us), the
> Earth will shrug its shoulders and
ralphpnj wrote:
> ... however the earth doesn't have time to wait around for that moment
> of truth to appear.
Actually the Earth *does* have plenty of time to deal with it. It's the
human race that doesn't.
If we stuff up the global climate enough to wipe out mankind (and
possibly take out
arnyk wrote:
> or many other spots. The slippery slope starts when people start
> suspending disbelief. It takes hold when they spend money on it, and the
> hook is usually irretrievably set once they brag about it.
Nicely stated!
And one should add:
completely lost once they get paid to
Julf wrote:
> Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look over at CA... :)
or many other spots. The slippery slope starts when people start
suspending disbelief. It takes hold when they spend money on it, and the
hook is usually irretrievably set once they brag about it.
Archimago wrote:
>
> Now as for the comments expressed so far about politics and the
> anti-science political party. I actually don't worry about it and
> personally don't mind. Truth and change comes when there are challenges
> placed before humanity. An anti-science position, so long as
Archimago wrote:
> Many subjectivists are reasonable folks who I believe will acknowledge
> the limitations of positions the "mainstream" audiophile writers take
> and will appreciate when examples are shown to demonstrate the
> fallacies.
Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look
drmatt wrote:
> Cor, using intellect without spite? Bring it on!
Absolutely! No need to have "a -desire -to hurt, annoy, or offend
someone".
Some people will be hurt or upset no matter what anyone says but there's
no -need -for arguments to go that direction. We don't need to hold a
position
Cor, using intellect without spite? Bring it on!
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> Correction:
>
> In America in the year 2017 all science is now pseudo-science and one is
> free to believe the science or not, depending on how the science may
> effect one's bottom line.
One of the wonderfull things about scientific results is that they are
true even if you
Julf wrote:
> And even for bit depth and sample rates, it becomes a simplistic
> pseudo-science application of numbers based on "bigger is better".
Correction:
In America in the year 2017 all science is now pseudo-science and one is
free to believe the science or not, depending on how the
Oh, and just after I posted that I saw the World Health Organization
warning about measles making a comeback in the western world due to
people not vaccinating their children...
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the
ralphpnj wrote:
> for audiophiles this means one can believe in measurements when it comes
> to bit depth and sample rates (as in digital audio) but not when to
> comes to harmonic distortion (as in tubes versus solid state).
And even for bit depth and sample rates, it becomes a simplistic
Archimago wrote:
> Let's try to change that Ralph! Promote another "option", "path",
> "school" to follow in the public Forums and Marketplaces...
>
> Men (usually) of distinction willing to submit to reason, objectivity,
> and scientific techniques like ABX and blind testing to adjudicate
>
Archimago wrote:
> I believe the path of the "subjectivist audiophile" is weak, ignorant,
> and clearly rests on an unstable foundation based on nothing but -faith-
> in false or grossly intellectually compromised idols and idiosyncratic
> "high priests"
I agree. Unfortunately that is a very
ralphpnj wrote:
> Ranks right up there with some other oxymorons like "military
> intelligence" and "elevated subway"
Let's try to change that Ralph! Promote another "option", "path",
"school" to follow in the public Forums and Marketplaces...
Men (usually) of distinction willing to submit to
Archimago wrote:
> Nice. I like that - the -rational audiophile-.
Ranks right up there with some other oxymorons like "military
intelligence" and "elevated subway"
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ftlight wrote:
> "Rational Audiophiles", perhaps?
Nice. I like that - the -rational audiophile-.
Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective'
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Archimago wrote:
> .
> BTW: Speaking of the marginalizability of "high end" audio and the high
> priests, did anyone else see the video feature of Herb Reichert?
> http://www.stereophile.com/content/reviewer-video-profile-herb-reichert
>
> Geez. I don't think many people would post nasty
arnyk wrote:
> Reading between the lines, I get the feeling that this is also JA's
> neighborhood. My first reaction is that like most of the close in NYC
> area, its a smelly $#!^ hole. I've spent enough time in NYC that my
> brain filled in the sounds and smells that go with the pictures. So
Archimago wrote:
> I think all of us here recognize ourselves as "audiophiles" but we don't
> need to be "high end" audiophiles as the magazines proclaim. I suspect
> the "high end" is weak and we can promote a kind of "audiophilia" which
> can accommodate the "love" of audio and the hardware,
Archimago wrote:
>
> BTW: Speaking of the marginalizability of "high end" audio and the high
> priests, did anyone else see the video feature of Herb Reichert?
> http://www.stereophile.com/content/reviewer-video-profile-herb-reichert
>
Based on your comments Mr. A, I watched it.
>
> Geez. I
I'm actually not worried about the proliferation of expensive goods.
Financial disparity is getting worse in this world at least for now and
there will always be the very rich who will go for price-no-object goods
in that part of the market. Sure, many will purchase audio equipment as
beautiful
cliveb wrote:
> Audiophiles aren't going to use ABX tests, because so-called high end
> audio operates much like religions: it requires faith over and above
> rational analysis. Consider a devout Christian/Muslim/Jew/etc who is
> offered the chance to take a test that will prove beyond any doubt
Anyone considered that that the sq of an iPhone 6 is rather good,
ability to drive certian headphones can be limited but not a bad source
:)
There is simply no piont getting a special portable player for most
people even people who actually cares .
Pono should have made a stationary device to
cliveb wrote:
> Audiophiles aren't going to use ABX tests, because so-called high end
> audio operates much like religions: it requires faith over and above
> rational analysis. Consider a devout Christian/Muslim/Jew/etc who is
> offered the chance to take a test that will prove beyond any doubt
arnyk wrote:
> Today, there is no lack of software availability. There are dozens for
> Windows and Google Play Store shows at least 2 that even run on
> commodity and high end cell phones. Yet, accounts of their use are like
> hen's teeth on the web. They are highly convincing, especially
"Placebophiles" -- I like it... ;-)
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Archimago wrote:
> No need to be so pessimistic]
>
> The predictable death of Pono and likely gradual tarnishing of MQA are
> useful reminders to audiophiles the ridiculous hype being perpetuated.
> At some point, I think we reach a point where "faith" is lost and the
> religion of the "high
Archimago wrote:
> No need to be so pessimistic Ralph!
>
> I totally understand that the common teenager/young adult music listener
> isn't necessarily into high fidelity and won't care. Fashion rules in
> that space. But the ones who do care about fidelity - the ones who might
> be intrigued
ralphpnj wrote:
> I think that your optimism about consumers being educated is just a
> little bit off after all Beats are still the number one selling
> headphones and by a very wide margin. I think that it's less about
> rejecting high resolution audio per se and more about just not needing a
Archimago wrote:
> Indeed Wombat, thanks for the links and the laughs... I still have my
> black Pono sitting on my shelf for the memories.
>
> I don't know if this is a victory whether Pono or Highresaudio not
> selling MQA for objectivists per se. I hope it is a victory for
> consumers being
Indeed Wombat, thanks for the links and the laughs... I still have my
black Pono sitting on my shelf for the memories.
I don't know if this is a victory whether Pono or Highresaudio not
selling MQA for objectivists per se. I hope it is a victory for
consumers being educated about bullshit and
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Wombat wrote:
> I don't think you should take everything they claim to serious. Even now
> i still see ECM MQA sold at their store. It may simply be something like
> the licencing for them makes the profit per sold unit unattractive. Once
> this is sorted they will tell you how good it is.
>
I don't think you should take everything they claim to serious. Even now
i still see ECM MQA sold at their store. It may simply be something like
the licencing for them makes the profit per sold unit unattractive. Once
this is sorted they will tell you how good it is.
Also i never saw them
So as the article says, is the honeymoon over for MQA?
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/highresaudio-to-stop-offering-mqa/?utm_source=Default+Hi-Fi%2B+List_campaign=4dc42b8f8f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_14_medium=email_term=0_ff6dfd0295-4dc42b8f8f-162614149
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