Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idea to increase Headroom with lossless volume change

2013-05-06 Thread Archimago
Julf wrote: And even if you hit that very special +11 dB beast, all that happens is that you clip one sample period. How much clipping was there in that Iggy recording again? :) Yup. And since we're upsampling, the duration of that sample period is even briefer.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some observations about the Benchmark DAC1

2013-05-06 Thread Archimago
Had a look at the effect on the ASUS Essence One which has a symettric upsampling feature. So 44.1kHz material is upsampled 8x to 352.8kHz. No upsampling - square wave, 0dBFS, 1.00227 kHz: 14787 With 8x upsampling - square wave, 0dBFS, 1.00227 kHz: 14788 Nice :-) Harmonics remain clean and I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...

2013-05-06 Thread Gandhi
The most common view, when I google it, is to connect the shield only at the *source* end, to avoid ground loops, which seems reasonable. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some observations about the Benchmark DAC1

2013-05-06 Thread Wombat
Somehow i can´t believe that just comes froms integer/non- integer. Isn´t it that you get such spikes as the DAC1 shows when you ignore dither? Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...

2013-05-06 Thread Julf
Gandhi wrote: The most common view, when I google it, is to connect the shield only at the *source* end, to avoid ground loops, which seems reasonable. And the ideal scheme is to use floating, fully differential inputs and balanced connections, and keep signal ground and safety earth

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some observations about the Benchmark DAC1

2013-05-06 Thread Archimago
Wombat wrote: Somehow i can´t believe that just comes froms integer/non- integer. Isn´t it that you get such spikes as the DAC1 shows when you ignore dither? edit: For example the dithered/non-dithered pics of this SRC http://shibatch.sourceforge.net/ssrc/ Maybe... I'll have a look at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
EricBergan wrote: You know, I just saw there were not one but two (serious journal) recent papers suggesting the speed of light might not be a hard constant, so there you go... Good point but not really applicable since sound travels at the speed of sound (DUH!) and not at the speed of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: Good point but not really applicable since sound travels at the speed of sound (DUH!) and not at the speed of light. I am assuming that the comment from EricBergan was humorous. Julf's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: I am assuming that the comment from EricBergan was humorous. Oops! Sorry. I think I need some kind of guide which indicates which forum members are Kool-Aid drinking die-hard audiophiles who love all of HP's Super-Discs and which members listen to real music.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread EricBergan
ralphpnj wrote: Oops! Sorry. I think I need some kind of guide which indicates which forum members are Kool-Aid drinking die-hard audiophiles who love all of HP's Super-Discs and which members listen to real music. But see, now we can not only have time clock variation jitter on TOSLINK, we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
EricBergan wrote: But see, now we can not only have time clock variation jitter on TOSLINK, we can also have varying speed of light effecting the audio quality! :-) Ah! But if, wait, not if but WHEN the audio quality is being adversely affected by the varying speed of light we need a name

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: my suggestion is the Einstein effect 'XKCD: Einstein' (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/einstein.png) Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: 'XKCD: Einstein' (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/einstein.png) Does one to be a real audiophile to understand the comic? ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...

2013-05-06 Thread Archimago
A few measurements over the weekend with various power cords. http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/05/measurements-power-cables-for-low-power.html Have a good week everyone... Archimago's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: A few measurements over the weekend with various power cords. http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/05/measurements-power-cables-for-low-power.html Have a good week everyone... Perhaps it's time to change the name of this thread: Real World Audio Testing for the Real People

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: Does one to be a real audiophile to understand the comic? I don't think a real audiophile would get it at all. It is making fun (among other things) of the argument by appeal to authority by pointing out that taking every statement Einstein ever made as literal declarations of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread darrell
Julf wrote: I don't think a real audiophile would get it at all. It is making fun (among other things) of the argument by appeal to authority by pointing out that taking every statement Einstein ever made as literal declarations of truth is very silly indeed. This is a very important point,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread garym
darrell wrote: These values, demanding proof for claims made, respect for evidence, thinking for oneself, etc, should be much more widely taught. Then the world, never mind the consumer audio industry, might be a better place. So true. Proof and evidence instead of simply opinion.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
darrell wrote: These values, demanding proof for claims made, respect for evidence, thinking for oneself, etc, should be much more widely taught. Then the world, never mind the consumer audio industry, might be a better place. garym wrote: So true. Proof and evidence instead of simply

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Genius loves company

2013-05-06 Thread gatzou
Interesting thread... I am a big fan of Ray Charles (I know very well his records) and I am quite an old school ears guy (preferring old uncompressed (dynamically) standards to modern production). But I find this Genius love company quite well produced for a modern prod, regardless of artistic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread garym
ralphpnj wrote: I beg to differ - often it is not opinion which is being stated but simply pure misinformation. Misinformation is very useful to those who are trying to get someone else to buy something that they really don't need. For example a $500 USB cable. Misinformation is also useful

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: I don't disagree. But even ignoring the intentional spread of FUD and misinformation (for money), I'd even settle for more reliance on facts, evidence, and rigor by folks that don't have money on the table. The false equivalence of two sides to a question that the media seems

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread darrell
Science which doesn't follow the evidence, wherever it leads, without fear or favour, is not science in my opinion. The uses to which it is put, of course, is an entirely different question. garym - I completely agree, it drives me crazy, and more often than sometimes! It astounds me that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread netchord
Julf wrote: I don't think a real audiophile would get it at all. what is your definition of an audiophile? netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread darrell
netchord wrote: what is your definition of an audiophile? Perhaps, people, like the White Queen in -Through the Looking Glass-, who can believe 6 impossible things before breakfast, and who encourage the same in others? Alice laughed: There's no use trying, she said; one can't believe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread garym
darrell wrote: Perhaps, people, after the White Queen in -Through the Looking Glass-, who can believe 6 impossible things before breakfast, and who encourage the same in others? I think you've nailed the definition. Never thought of this, but it fits perfectly.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...

2013-05-06 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: Perhaps it's time to change the name of this thread: Real World Audio Testing for the Real People Living in the Real World ;-) Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread darrell
garym wrote: And by the way, the word audiophile only has negative connotation for me. Me, too. The democratisation of audio, via computers, the internet, and particularly the open source movement, is what did it for me. The days of high priests with a monopoly on the knowledge and technology

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS

2013-05-06 Thread ralphpnj
darrell wrote: Perhaps, people, after the White Queen in -Through the Looking Glass-, who can believe 6 impossible things before breakfast, and who encourage the same in others? garym wrote: I think you've nailed the definition. Never thought of this, but it fits perfectly. edit: And