Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Tue, 7 May 2019 13:42:16 -0400 Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: > On 5/3/19 1:09 PM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > > They came for mesa-git, did not took care about which dependency were > > pulled. They update mesa-git, but don’t think of llvm-git because they > > were never informed this is

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Tue, 7 May 2019 13:42:05 -0400 Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: > On 5/3/19 11:41 AM, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: > > On Fri, 3 May 2019 11:32:57 -0400 > > Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: > >> Apparently, he *really* thinks that that is a bad idea and an inferior > >>

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/3/19 1:09 PM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > They came for mesa-git, did not took care about which dependency were > pulled. They update mesa-git, but don’t think of llvm-git because they > were never informed this is especially relevant for mesa-git. If they break their system by installing packages

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/7/19 1:13 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via aur-general wrote: > This thread went way beyond what it should have gone. This is the AUR > we're talking about. > I'm not saying we should accept any crap on the AUR, but, I'm talking > from my own experience here, > we don't always anticipate what will

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/6/19 6:37 AM, Robin Broda via aur-general wrote: > I merely quoted a page off our Wiki to you. > > Going by that "rule", I don't think lone_wolf-* packages have a place in the > AUR. > Unless you can figure out a better, fitting name. I think "mesa-git" is probably fine. > As it stands i

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/3/19 11:41 AM, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: > On Fri, 3 May 2019 11:32:57 -0400 > Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: >> Apparently, he *really* thinks that that is a bad idea and an inferior >> mesa-git experience. >> > > And apparently the mesa developers disagree. Remember how

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Em maio 7, 2019 14:00 Lone_Wolf escreveu: It seems I overreacted and hijacked my own thread. I also made several mistakes and may have (unintentionally) offended people. I apoligise to all posters in & readers of this thread. There are decisions that need to be made, but I'm the one that

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 06-05-2019 12:37, Robin Broda via aur-general wrote: On 5/6/19 12:28 PM, Lone_Wolf wrote: Quoting myself : On 05-05-2019 00:24, Lone_Wolf wrote: Whether those PKGBUILDs will be used in future aur mesa-git , exclusively in aur lone_wolf-* packages or not present in AUR at all is a

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/6/19 12:28 PM, Lone_Wolf wrote: > Quoting myself : > > On 05-05-2019 00:24, Lone_Wolf wrote: >> Whether those PKGBUILDs will be used in future aur mesa-git , exclusively in >> aur lone_wolf-* packages or not present in AUR at all is a decision TUs must >> take. >> > > If no decision has

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 06-05-2019 11:57, Robin Broda via aur-general wrote: Rules of Submission[1] Make sure the package you want to upload is useful. Will anyone else want to use this package? Is it extremely specialized? If more than a few people would find this package useful, it is appropriate for

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/5/19 12:24 AM, Lone_Wolf wrote: > I have decided how to proceed with mesa trunk / llvm trunk building. > > There are now 6 lone_wolf-* packages in AUR that show how I want to do things. > > > Although Scimmia intensely disliked it, I have implemented the environment > variable idea in

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 05-05-2019 00:39, Daniel M. Capella via aur-general wrote: f https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2019-May/031274.html https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2019-May/031310.html v_v -- Best, Daniel The 031274 message was an

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Quoting Lone_Wolf (2019-05-04 18:24:28) > I have decided how to proceed with mesa trunk / llvm trunk building. > > There are now 6 lone_wolf-* packages in AUR that show how I want to do > things. > > > Although Scimmia intensely disliked it, I have implemented the > environment variable idea

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

I have decided how to proceed with mesa trunk / llvm trunk building. There are now 6 lone_wolf-* packages in AUR that show how I want to do things. Although Scimmia intensely disliked it, I have implemented the environment variable idea in lone_wolf-mesa-git . First tests are promising, I

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Le 03/05/2019 à 18:29, Eli Schwartz via aur-general a écrit : > On 5/3/19 11:44 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: >> I still think that you would get a better user experience even for this >> case by telling the users explicitely that this depends on llvm-git. >> Because else, people would install mesa-git

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/3/19 11:44 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > I still think that you would get a better user experience even for this > case by telling the users explicitely that this depends on llvm-git. > Because else, people would install mesa-git once, which will pull > llvm-git as a dependency and build it for

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Le 03/05/2019 à 17:32, Eli Schwartz a écrit : > On 5/3/19 11:25 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: >> Yes, and he can solves that by *pinning a comment telling so*. ;) > Pinning a comment telling people how to get the default expected User > Experience in a non-default way, sucks. Not “the default”. LW’s

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Fri, 3 May 2019 11:32:57 -0400 Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: > On 5/3/19 11:25 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > > Yes, and he can solves that by *pinning a comment telling so*. ;) > > Pinning a comment telling people how to get the default expected User > Experience in a non-default way,

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/3/19 11:25 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > Yes, and he can solves that by *pinning a comment telling so*. ;) Pinning a comment telling people how to get the default expected User Experience in a non-default way, sucks. The package maintainer thinks that the average user will dislike the resulting

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Le 03/05/2019 à 17:14, Eli Schwartz via aur-general a écrit : > On 5/3/19 10:23 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: >> Le 03/05/2019 à 16:04, Eli Schwartz via aur-general a écrit : >>> Lone Wolf's point here, is that mesa-git results in different codegen >>> and different features, if the build-time

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/3/19 10:23 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > Le 03/05/2019 à 16:04, Eli Schwartz via aur-general a écrit : >> Lone Wolf's point here, is that mesa-git results in different codegen >> and different features, if the build-time compilation environment is >> llvm-git. > > Yes, so say so in a pinned

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 06:00:32PM +0300, Konstantin Gizdov wrote: > I understand we have standards and requirements and suggestions and best > practices and so on, but for the Arch User Repository - is Lone_Wolf not > allowed to make a package called >

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 03/05/2019 17:23, Bruno Pagani via aur-general wrote: > Le 03/05/2019 à 16:04, Eli Schwartz via aur-general a écrit : > >> Furthermore, I defy the idea that even users building it themselves >> constitute "user stupidity", because as Lone Wolf's explanation >> *explicitly* called out, it is

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Le 03/05/2019 à 16:04, Eli Schwartz via aur-general a écrit : > On 5/1/19 10:53 AM, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: >> On Wed, 1 May 2019 12:38:41 +0200 >> Lone_Wolf wrote: >>> Assumptions : >>> >>> mesa-git depends on llvm and llvm-libs >>> >>> AUR only has one mesa-git package >>> >>> User

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Fri, 3 May 2019 10:04:39 -0400 Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: > On 5/1/19 10:53 AM, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: > > On Wed, 1 May 2019 12:38:41 +0200 > > Lone_Wolf wrote: > >> Assumptions : > >> > >> mesa-git depends on llvm and llvm-libs > >> > >> AUR only has one mesa-git

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 5/1/19 10:53 AM, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: > On Wed, 1 May 2019 12:38:41 +0200 > Lone_Wolf wrote: >> Assumptions : >> >> mesa-git depends on llvm and llvm-libs >> >> AUR only has one mesa-git package >> >> User builds in clean chroot with devtools >> >> User wants mesa feature X,

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Wed, 1 May 2019 12:38:41 +0200 Lone_Wolf wrote: > On 01-05-2019 05:18, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: > > You're still not getting it. The diff you gave shows that the only > > differences > > are in the depends and madedepends arrays. If that's the only difference, > > then > > there

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 01-05-2019 05:18, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: You're still not getting it. The diff you gave shows that the only differences are in the depends and madedepends arrays. If that's the only difference, then there *IS NO DIFFERENCE*. A dep on "llvm-libs" is satisfied by llvm-libs-git,

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Wed, 1 May 2019 01:07:43 +0200 Lone_Wolf wrote: > Thanks for speaking freely, scimmia. > > The env var idea has been thrown out of the window. > > > > Time to summarize and tally . > > Option A. mesa-git depends on llvm trunk and PKGBUILD editing is needed > for those that want to build

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Thanks for speaking freely, scimmia. The env var idea has been thrown out of the window. Time to summarize and tally . Option A. mesa-git depends on llvm trunk and PKGBUILD editing is needed for those that want to build against stable llvm. Option B. mesa-git depends on llvm stable and

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 01:32:58 +0200 Lone_Wolf wrote: > Thanks for all replies. > > > I've thought about this and think I have found a way that will work for > all users. > > > My idea is to introduce a new environment variable, mesa_use_llvm . > > It can have the following values : > > 1 >

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Thanks for all replies. I've thought about this and think I have found a way that will work for all users. My idea is to introduce a new environment variable, mesa_use_llvm . It can have the following values : 1 > use aur llvm-lw-git and co 2 > use aur llvm-git and co 3 > use lordheavy

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Le 17/04/2019 à 00:54, Lone_Wolf a écrit : > On 16-04-2019 18:28, Bruno Pagani wrote: >> >> Can you show me the diff that you would have between a PKGBUILD >> compiling against llvm-svn and one compiling against llvm? I need this >> to assess what to do in this situation. >> >> Regards, >> Bruno

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 16-04-2019 18:28, Bruno Pagani wrote: Can you show me the diff that you would have between a PKGBUILD compiling against llvm-svn and one compiling against llvm? I need this to assess what to do in this situation. Regards, Bruno Diff against most recent upload $ diff --unified --text

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Le 16/04/2019 à 18:01, Lone_Wolf a écrit : > On 16-04-2019 15:29, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: >> Is there any reason it depends specifically on the -git package? Most >> of the >> time, you depend on the release package and those that use the -git >> version >> just build against that, no

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 4/16/19 9:19 AM, Lone_Wolf wrote: > Hi, > > > recently a mesa developer contacted me and asked me to change mesa-git > to depend on released llvm/clang instead of llvm/clang trunk. > > He did convince me there's a demand for such a package. > > > Currently people wanting to build mesa-git

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On 16-04-2019 15:29, Doug Newgard via aur-general wrote: Is there any reason it depends specifically on the -git package? Most of the time, you depend on the release package and those that use the -git version just build against that, no other changes needed. On 16-04-2019 15:33, Bruno Pagani

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Hi, Le 16/04/2019 à 15:19, Lone_Wolf a écrit : > Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other > projects a good idea and who should decide on that? Upstream generally. If packages are tightly coupled (e.g. ring-* as far as I’m concerned, or Intel GPU toolchain), they will

Re: [aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 15:19:37 +0200 Lone_Wolf wrote: > Hi, > > > recently a mesa developer contacted me and asked me to change mesa-git > to depend on released llvm/clang instead of llvm/clang trunk. > > He did convince me there's a demand for such a package. > > > Currently people wanting

[aur-general] Are AUR VCS packages that depend on AUR VCS packages from other projects a good idea and who should decide on that ?

Hi, recently a mesa developer contacted me and asked me to change mesa-git to depend on released llvm/clang instead of llvm/clang trunk. He did convince me there's a demand for such a package. Currently people wanting to build mesa-git against released versions need to edit the pkgbuild