[aur-general] TU Application: Daniel Bermond (dbermond)

2018-10-30 Thread Daniel Bermond via aur-general
On 29/10/2018 20:30, Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote: > > A bit late to a TU review once again, but I've got some reviews for your > AUR packages here. I'd also like to acknowledge that some of these > you've likely already fixed, especially the provides/conflicts on -git > variants... but I

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Brett Cornwall via aur-general
On 10/30/18 02:51pm, Ethan Rakoff wrote: Remember that as technical people working on a project that spans the world, we communicate almost exclusively through text, and it can be easy to misinterpret the tone of someone else. We should all make an effort to remember this in writing and in

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Daniel Capella via aur-general
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I meant to send that directly to Giancarlo. On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 8:48 PM Giancarlo Razzolini via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > Em outubro 30, 2018 16:07 Ralf Mardorf escreveu: > > Apparently this TU has got special rights. That he could behave like > >

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Daniel Capella via aur-general
17:16 grazzolini, but we're finally getting somewhere :\ 17:37 grazzolini, the reason it continues is because they're an underlying problem we're trying to solve 17:37 that's long overdue 17:38 there's* 17:38 I'm afraid this is just a temporary band-aid 17:39 eg. I just rejoined

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Baptiste Jonglez
Hi, On 30-10-18, Giancarlo Razzolini via aur-general wrote: > Em outubro 30, 2018 16:07 Ralf Mardorf escreveu: > > Apparently this TU has got special rights. That he could behave like > > this again and again does strengthen him to continue doing it. > > > This thread has lived much longer than

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via aur-general
Em outubro 30, 2018 16:07 Ralf Mardorf escreveu: Apparently this TU has got special rights. That he could behave like this again and again does strengthen him to continue doing it. This thread has lived much longer than it's purpose. Let's stop this right now. I'm placing this list into

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, I read all related mails, but neither replied to the mailing list, nor off-list until now. Now I'll add a single comment. The TU writing this reply https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-October/034408.html is malignant manipulative. Instead of assuming good faith, he opens

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Adam Levy via aur-general
I think that is the most fair assessment of the situation that I have read today. On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 1:48 PM Connor Behan via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 2018-10-30 01:23 PM, Adam Levy via aur-general wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 1:06 PM Daniel Capella > > wrote:

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Connor Behan via aur-general
On 2018-10-30 01:23 PM, Adam Levy via aur-general wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 1:06 PM Daniel Capella > wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:02 PM Adam Levy >> wrote: >>> Being curt and direct is against the code of conduct? >>> >>> It seems to me that these three rules in particular are

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Adam Levy via aur-general
The only rule there that strikes me as potentially having been violated is "respect other users". But I think that cuts both ways in this case to be perfectly honest. It could be argued that Konstantin did not respect the existing TUs initial responses to his questions. But that's debatable. The

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Daniel Capella via aur-general
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:02 PM Adam Levy wrote: > Being curt and direct is against the code of conduct? > > It seems to me that these three rules in particular are relevant in this > case and were not respected: "Respect other users", "Do not flame" and "Be > responsible". > > Baptiste --

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Adam Levy via aur-general
Being curt and direct is against the code of conduct? On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 12:54 PM Daniel Capella wrote: > hate crimes and physical violence* > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:53 PM Daniel Capella > wrote: > >> > *b. *to distort or twist the sense or intention of: the reporters did >> violence

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Daniel Capella via aur-general
hate crimes and physical violence* On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:53 PM Daniel Capella wrote: > > *b. *to distort or twist the sense or intention of: the reporters did > violence to my speech. > > Violent speech, at least of late, is more defined as inciting hate crimes > and actual violence.

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Daniel Capella via aur-general
> *b. *to distort or twist the sense or intention of: the reporters did violence to my speech. Violent speech, at least of late, is more defined as inciting hate crimes and actual violence. Perhaps we should use "cruel" here. > In fact if you are repeatedly trying to complain about something

[aur-general] TU Application - Konstantin Gizdov

2018-10-30 Thread Eli Schwartz via aur-general
On 10/28/18 4:45 PM, Morten Linderud via aur-general wrote: > It's frankly embarrassing that it has to go this far. Eli is avoiding the > discussion on IRC and refuses to answer. So, is the appropriate fix then, is to do some more shaming on the mailing list? Actually, by the time things got

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Adam Levy via aur-general
Apologies for my mis-formatted email. You may need to expand the quoted text to read it. I think I goofed it. On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:52 AM Adam Levy wrote: > > > Even if you are 100% correct, there were a lot of other messages, not > > just the linked ones. > > First I want to mention that I

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Adam Levy via aur-general
> Even if you are 100% correct, there were a lot of other messages, not > just the linked ones. First I want to mention that I did in fact read all of the emails, but presumably someone trying to make a point about bullying in those emails would have linked to the most contentious ones. So those

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Santiago Torres-Arias via aur-general
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 01:27:09PM +0100, Baptiste Jonglez wrote: > Hi Santiago, > > Now that the discussion period is over, I am taking time to fully answer > this, since it's much more general and important than the TU application > itself. Hi Baptiste. I read your email, and I do agree with

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Ethan Rakoff
Just thought I would cap this whole shebang off with this: Remember that as technical people working on a project that spans the world, we communicate almost exclusively through text, and it can be easy to misinterpret the tone of someone else. We should all make an effort to remember this in

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Konstantin Gizdov
I will make this as brief as I can, even though I feel there is a lot to talk about. On 30/10/2018 13:06, Adam Levy via aur-general wrote: > As an outsider sitting on the sidelines, with absolutely no dog in this > fight, I have to say that I don't believe that the messages you linked are >

Re: [aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Adam Levy via aur-general
As an outsider sitting on the sidelines, with absolutely no dog in this fight, I have to say that I don't believe that the messages you linked are examples of bullying or personal attacks. The closest I saw to a personal attack might be Eli saying that Konstantin is a control freak. I believe that

[aur-general] About bullying in our community (Was: TU Application)

2018-10-30 Thread Baptiste Jonglez
Hi Santiago, Now that the discussion period is over, I am taking time to fully answer this, since it's much more general and important than the TU application itself. On 28-10-18, Santiago Torres-Arias wrote: > I've been following this email thread quite closely and without > participating as I