Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Peter, As others say it is unlikely to fit the S10 trailer but my suggestion was to look at it to get some ideas. The trailer I saw in the US was not the Komet clamshell type so sounds like the one at Camden is like the one I saw. Mike At 08:46 PM 9/07/2015, you wrote: Thanks, There may be others interested On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Derek Ruddock <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: The unloved trailer at Camden was not for the Camden based s10. It is a traditional (and large) steel clad design and belonged to Neil Cox, who based his s10 at Bankstown. Neil was tragically killed , along with his 4 year old son, due to an engine fire when returning to Bankstown from Camden a number of years ago. The wing hoists are sitting in our hangar at Camden.  From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Orton Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 1:57 PM To: Aus-Soaring mail list Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra  Hi I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. Regards, John Orton On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike  At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No,àThe trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre sectionà off was difficult for 3 people.àGetting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything.àI am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer!àDoes such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the ro
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
If the Stemme trailer is not going to be useful for the Kookaburra would it be adaptable for a Duo Discus because we could do with one at GCV? Colin From: [email protected] on behalf of Catherine Conway Sent: 09 July 2015 22:06 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know about the size of a Cobra one but the Stemme I work on has a Komet trailer that definitely is not tall enough for a kookaburra wing. Cath Sent from my iPad On 9 Jul 2015, at 1:27 pm, John Orton mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. Regards, John Orton On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
I don't know about the size of a Cobra one but the Stemme I work on has a Komet trailer that definitely is not tall enough for a kookaburra wing. Cath Sent from my iPad > On 9 Jul 2015, at 1:27 pm, John Orton wrote: > > Hi > > I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a > Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built > for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. > > The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard > method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The > Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also > the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile > hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The > hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those > engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. > > It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big > and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. > > Regards, > John Orton > > >> On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" >> wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. >> >> The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the >> trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and >> it was twenty plus years ago. >> >> Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center >> section. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: >>> No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider >>> is sort of bolted on. >>> >>> Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting >>> the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! >>> >>> A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd >>> sourcing ideas for that. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: >>> Hi Derek, >>> Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! >>> Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a >>> Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? >>> >>> I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW >>> Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! >>> Perhaps this is a very good thing! >>> >>> As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of >>> man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider >>> and trailer - works), to coordinate things. >>> >>> I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of >>> using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, >>> how >>> well did this trailer tow? >>> >>> BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek >>> Ruddock >>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >>> >>> Sounds hideous... >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis >>> prelgauskas >>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM >>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >>> >>> I don't know where GLZ is these days. >>> When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. >>> I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike >>> Valentine and John Viney. >>> >>> This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing >>> panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from >>> the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally >>>
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Thanks, There may be others interested On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Derek Ruddock wrote: > The unloved trailer at Camden was not for the Camden based s10. It is a > traditional (and large) steel clad design and belonged to Neil Cox, who > based his s10 at Bankstown. > > Neil was tragically killed , along with his 4 year old son, due to an > engine fire when returning to Bankstown from Camden a number of years ago. > > The wing hoists are sitting in our hangar at Camden. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *John Orton > *Sent:* Thursday, 9 July 2015 1:57 PM > *To:* Aus-Soaring mail list > > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > > > Hi > > I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that > was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra > trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a > fibreglass top. > > The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard > method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. > The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section > Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own > mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. > The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. > Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I > think. > > It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly > big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. > > Regards, > John Orton > > On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" > wrote: > > Peter, > > I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. > > The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the > trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and > it was twenty plus years ago. > > Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy > center section. > > Mike > > > > > At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: > > No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider > is sort of bolted on. > > Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting > the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! > > A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd > sourcing ideas for that. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson > wrote: > > Hi Derek, > > Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! > > Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a > > Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? > > I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW > > Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my > memory! > > Perhaps this is a very good thing! > > As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of > > man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider > > and trailer - works), to coordinate things. > > I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease > of > > using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, > how > > well did this trailer tow? > > BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? > > Gary > > -Original Message- > > From: [email protected] > > [ mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of Derek > > Ruddock > > Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM > > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > Sounds hideous... > > -Original Message- > > From: [email protected] > > [ mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of emilis > > prelgauskas > > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM > > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > I don't know where GLZ is these days. > > When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. > > I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike > > Valentine and John Viney. > > This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing > > pane
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
The unloved trailer at Camden was not for the Camden based s10. It is a traditional (and large) steel clad design and belonged to Neil Cox, who based his s10 at Bankstown. Neil was tragically killed , along with his 4 year old son, due to an engine fire when returning to Bankstown from Camden a number of years ago. The wing hoists are sitting in our hangar at Camden. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Orton Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 1:57 PM To: Aus-Soaring mail list Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Hi I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. Regards, John Orton On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" wrote: Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted a
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Engine hoist could work. However the Kookaburra is not that heavy. I think a combination of rolling wing fittings, levers and stands should work. This is not an issue for a Kookaburra owner alone. Anyone with a Nimbus, Janus or any other new heavy glider just has to fit out their trailer with devices to ease rigging and hold the heavy items. Man power is not enough any more. An alternative is to re-equip with a light weight 13m glider as Morgan Sandercock has done. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:57 PM, John Orton wrote: > Hi > > I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that > was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra > trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a > fibreglass top. > > The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard > method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. > The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section > Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own > mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. > The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. > Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I > think. > > It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly > big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. > > Regards, > John Orton > > On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" > wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. >> >> The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the >> trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and >> it was twenty plus years ago. >> >> Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy >> center section. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: >> >> No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the >> Glider is sort of bolted on. >> >> Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. >> Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! >> >> A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd >> sourcing ideas for that. >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson >> wrote: >> Hi Derek, >> Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! >> Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a >> Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? >> >> I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW >> Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my >> memory! >> Perhaps this is a very good thing! >> >> As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of >> man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider >> and trailer - works), to coordinate things. >> >> I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease >> of >> using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, >> how >> well did this trailer tow? >> >> BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? >> >> Gary >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [email protected] >> [ mailto:[email protected] >> ] On Behalf Of Derek >> Ruddock >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM >> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> Sounds hideous... >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [email protected] >> [ mailto:[email protected] >> ] On Behalf Of emilis >> prelgauskas >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> I don't know where GLZ is these days. >> When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. >> I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike >> Valentine and John Viney. >> >> This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing >> panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from >> the rear open door)
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Hi I have done some work on/with a Stemme S10 trailer, it was the S10 that was a Camden for many years. I have been told it was the first Cobra trailer built for an S10. It is a large clamshell Cobra (I think) with a fibreglass top. The arrangement is the outer wing panels go in the sides as per standard method and the heavy wing centre section goes in along the bottom floor. The Fuselage then sits on a wide dolly that straddles the main wing section Also the tail plane goes in the roof I think. The trailer came with its own mobile hydraulic hoist which you had to assemble with bolts and wing nuts. The hoist/crane was a modified engine hoist with large pneumatic tyres. Those engine hoists are available from super crap auto for $250 to $300 I think. It works for the Stemme however the cord width for a Kookaburra is fairly big and hence it may be difficult to locate the wing underneath the fuse. Regards, John Orton On 09/07/2015 7:57 AM, "Mike Borgelt" wrote: > Peter, > > I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. > > The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the > trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and > it was twenty plus years ago. > > Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy > center section. > > Mike > > > > > At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: > > No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider > is sort of bolted on. > > Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting > the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! > > A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd > sourcing ideas for that. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson > wrote: > Hi Derek, > Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! > Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a > Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? > > I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW > Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my > memory! > Perhaps this is a very good thing! > > As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of > man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider > and trailer - works), to coordinate things. > > I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease > of > using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, > how > well did this trailer tow? > > BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? > > Gary > > > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [ mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of Derek > Ruddock > Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > Sounds hideous... > > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [ mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of emilis > prelgauskas > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > I don't know where GLZ is these days. > When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. > I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike > Valentine and John Viney. > > This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing > panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from > the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally > across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with > underside facing outward. > The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling > frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of > the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is > at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. > A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. > This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer > side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this > somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away > from > the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. > > > > On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > > > We are attempting to put VH
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Theres an unused and unwanted Stemme trailer sitting at Camden Airport if anyone wished to take it away and modify it. It originally was owned by Steve Fossett. Neil Coxs widow didnt want it and our club has no use for it. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 9:51 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty > atrocious and it  is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the > glider. > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > rigging aids etc. > > Peter Champness___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing li
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Up until last week my dad owned a Skylark 4 in the UK. I flew it in May. The trailer was quite compact for the size of the glider. The 2 tips are to the left, roots positioned front and rear of the trailer. The centre section is on the right. The centre section has large wheels at each end and sits on these in the trailer. The Wheels are on 2 frames that bolt into the mainspar pin holes. The trailer is tipped down so that the back is on the ground as matt says. Once the centre section is out of the trailer you plug in long handles that are just the right length to lift the centre section over the fuselage once rotated, with the handles at waist height. Wing stand under each end of the centre section and plug on the tips once handles and wheels removed. It's a 2 man rig but you need a 3rd eye to help lower the centre section accurately and put the pins in. It's an easy 2 man de-rig. As matt said, the fuselage comes out first and is rotated 90 degrees to the trailer, a wingspan distance from the trailer. Matt Gage wrote Might also be worth talking to some Skylark 4 owners in the UK. I’ve seen a couple of closed trailers from which they could be rigged and de-rigged with 2 people in about 15 minutes - ok, a single seater, but a very heavy centre section. They used a rotating/lifting frame to take the centre section from vertical in the trailer to horizontal and provided an ergonomic lifting position so it could be carried over the fuselage. Very simple, but effective and easy to use. The closed trailer (or at least some form of roof structure) was required to support both the centre section and fuselage inside it. To use, the trailer was jacked up at the front and everything rolled out of the back door until well clear of the trailer (usual UK trailer arrangement). They generally turned the fuselage 90 degrees to the trailer to make fitting the centre section easier Matt > On 9 Jul 2015, at 9:51 , Mike Borgelt wrote: > > Peter, > > I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. > > The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the > trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it > was twenty plus years ago. > > Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center > section. > > Mike > > > > > At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: >> No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider >> is sort of bolted on. >> >> Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting >> the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! >> >> A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd >> sourcing ideas for that. >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hi Derek, >> Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! >> Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a >> Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? >> >> I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW >> Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! >> Perhaps this is a very good thing! >> >> As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of >> man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider >> and trailer - works), to coordinate things. >> >> I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of >> using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how >> well did this trailer tow? >> >> BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? >> >> Gary >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [ mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Derek >> Ruddock >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM >> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> Sounds hideous... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [ mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of emilis >> prelgauskas >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM >> To: Discussion of is
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Might also be worth talking to some Skylark 4 owners in the UK. I’ve seen a couple of closed trailers from which they could be rigged and de-rigged with 2 people in about 15 minutes - ok, a single seater, but a very heavy centre section. They used a rotating/lifting frame to take the centre section from vertical in the trailer to horizontal and provided an ergonomic lifting position so it could be carried over the fuselage. Very simple, but effective and easy to use. The closed trailer (or at least some form of roof structure) was required to support both the centre section and fuselage inside it. To use, the trailer was jacked up at the front and everything rolled out of the back door until well clear of the trailer (usual UK trailer arrangement). They generally turned the fuselage 90 degrees to the trailer to make fitting the centre section easier Matt > On 9 Jul 2015, at 9:51 , Mike Borgelt wrote: > > Peter, > > I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. > > The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the > trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it > was twenty plus years ago. > > Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center > section. > > Mike > > > > > At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: >> No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider >> is sort of bolted on. >> >> Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting >> the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! >> >> A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd >> sourcing ideas for that. >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hi Derek, >> Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! >> Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a >> Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? >> >> I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW >> Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! >> Perhaps this is a very good thing! >> >> As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of >> man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider >> and trailer - works), to coordinate things. >> >> I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of >> using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how >> well did this trailer tow? >> >> BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? >> >> Gary >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [ mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Derek >> Ruddock >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM >> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> Sounds hideous... >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [ mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of emilis >> prelgauskas >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra >> >> I don't know where GLZ is these days. >> When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. >> I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike >> Valentine and John Viney. >> >> This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing >> panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from >> the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally >> across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with >> underside facing outward. >> The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling >> frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of >> the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is >> at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the g
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Peter, I'd have a look at the trailer for the Stemme S10. The one I saw had a kind of crane for the center section built into the trailer. Can't remember much else about it as I wasn't that interested and it was twenty plus years ago. Similar problem. Two seat, wide fuselage, three piece wing with heavy center section. Mike At 08:27 AM 9/07/2015, you wrote: No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty > atrocious and it  is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the > glider. > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > rigging aids etc. > > Peter Champness___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
No, The trailer is a modified open flat bed trailer, to which the Glider is sort of bolted on. Getting the wing centre section off was difficult for 3 people. Getting the fuselage off may take a vertical lift crane! A redesign is required so that no one lifts anything. I am still crowd sourcing ideas for that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: > Hi Derek, > Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! > Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a > Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? > > I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW > Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my > memory! > Perhaps this is a very good thing! > > As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of > man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider > and trailer - works), to coordinate things. > > I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease > of > using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, > how > well did this trailer tow? > > BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? > > Gary > > > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek > Ruddock > Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > Sounds hideous... > > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis > prelgauskas > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra > > I don't know where GLZ is these days. > When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. > I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike > Valentine and John Viney. > > This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing > panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from > the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally > across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with > underside facing outward. > The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling > frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of > the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is > at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. > A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. > This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer > side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this > somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away > from > the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. > > > > On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > > > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty > > atrocious and it is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the > > glider. > > > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > > rigging aids etc. > > > > Peter Champness___ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6037 / Virus Database: 4365/10184 - Release Date: 07/07/15 > > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Hi Derek, Quite possibly, some might say exactly the same thing about the aircraft! Gliding legend Doug Robinson, (from GCV), called the short wing version a Brickaburra. Was this tongue in cheek I wonder? I think that somewhere along the line I helped to rig a couple of LW Kookaburra's, but this is NOT an experience that lives forever in my memory! Perhaps this is a very good thing! As always, I imagine the secret to rigging this type is to have plenty of man-power, and just one person (who knows exactly how everything - glider and trailer - works), to coordinate things. I wonder what an unbiased person might say about the practically and ease of using Emilis's trailer! Does such a person still exist out there? Also, how well did this trailer tow? BTW Peter C, does your trailer match Emilis's description? Gary -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 7:57 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty > atrocious and it is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the > glider. > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > rigging aids etc. > > Peter Champness___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6037 / Virus Database: 4365/10184 - Release Date: 07/07/15 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Sounds hideous... -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2015 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty > atrocious and it is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the > glider. > > Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, > rigging aids etc. > > Peter Champness___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
Thanks Emilis, Good ideas. If the trailer cannot be found I might ask you for a sketch. Yours Peter Champness On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:04 PM, emilis prelgauskas wrote: > I don't know where GLZ is these days. > When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. > I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike > Valentine and John Viney. > > This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing > panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from > the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally > across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with > underside facing outward. > The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling > frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of > the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is > at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. > A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. > This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer > side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this > somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away > from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. > > > > On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > > We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty >> atrocious and it is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the glider. >> >> Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, rigging >> aids etc. >> >> Peter Champness___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer for a long wing Kookaburra
I don't know where GLZ is these days. When I owned it, it had an open trailer ex Southern Cross GC. I then built an enclosed trailer which was sold on to the late Mike Valentine and John Viney. This trailer has (from memory) the tailplane in the roof, the outer wing panels side by side with root ends in the front right corner (looking from the rear open door), the fuselage with rudder at the front end diagonally across the trailer, and the centre section against the left wall with underside facing outward. The centre section is in a cradle at the front trailer end in a rolling frame, so that it can rotate horizontal once the centre section is clear of the trailer rear with its door swung out of the way. The centre section is at a height that clears the fuselage height rolling on the ground. A stand holds the external end of the horizontal centre section. This permits the fuselage to be rolled under, tilted away from the trailer side as the external stand is removed and the centre section mated at this somewhat inclined angle. Once rigged, this part airframe rolls aft away from the trailer and the other lighter parts can be carried and rigged. On 06/07/2015, at 4:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: We are attempting to put VH-GRN into service. The trailer is pretty atrocious and it is a lot of trouble to unpack and to load the glider. Does anyone have a trailer or have any good ideas re wing stands, rigging aids etc. Peter Champness___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
