Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

2019-10-12 Thread Mark Smith
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019, 15:18 Jonathan Brewer, wrote: > Hi Mark, > > In every market I work in, Internet, fixed line telephony, and mobile > telephony are regulated differently. Australia is no different. Peering may > not be regulated in Australia, but call termination sure is. And that's > what

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

2019-10-12 Thread Nathan Brookfield
Surely you’re taking the piss, inconveniencing paying customers just to cause Telstra a few extra cents to haul some voice back, the fact this is even a thought blows my mind Would you then do the same for Optus who have had WiFi calling for 3+ years? If your customers don’t use SIP

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

2019-10-12 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
This isn’t call termination as it’s on the customer side of the call, not the telco side so telco regulation of calls really isn’t the issue here. And that kind of approach where you randomly block traffic because you want to have a war with an other telco isn’t customer friendly. If my ISP

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

2019-10-12 Thread Jonathan Brewer
Hi Mark, In every market I work in, Internet, fixed line telephony, and mobile telephony are regulated differently. Australia is no different. Peering may not be regulated in Australia, but call termination sure is. And that's what Telstra mobile is doing here - terminating calls on the OzOnline

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

2019-10-12 Thread Mark Smith
It's not truly complex. It's as simple as asking what the OP's customers are paying for. Are they paying for Internet access, or are they paying for Internet access excluding the over-the-top services that Telstra are providing? If it is the latter, then it needs to be explicitly called out in

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

2019-10-12 Thread Paul Wilkins
I think this is a truly complex issue, which as it would require the wisdom of Solomon to resolve, probably puts it beyond most people's caring or the actual extent of the problem. Because it's available to the telcos to argue it's done to improve service quality, you'd really need to prove that