Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-24 Thread Narelle
Well Mark if you can show me somewhere where the various service providers publish full technical specs of their products, performance and service levels, I'd be one very happy consumer advocate... N On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Mark Newton wrote: > On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Giles Pol

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-24 Thread Narelle
Folks As many of you know, my day job is with ACCAN - the consumer organisation in the telco and ISP space. We are always keen to hear stories of consumer experience, negative, positive and especially work arounds and fixes. A lot of what we do is to put together consumer friendly information that

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-24 Thread James Andrewartha
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Mark Newton wrote: > On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Giles Pollock wrote: > > > > Difference is on NBN your landline is converted to a VoIP line and provided > > by the ISP. Said ISP won't divulge the SIP configuration so if you want to > > use it you're locked in to using t

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-24 Thread Chris Hurley
From: AusNOG on behalf of Philip Loenneker Date: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 at 2:54 pm To: "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN? Your story hits on an issue we have had tooŠ When ordering FttN, you can choose to have voiceband co

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Philip Loenneker
To: Tim Raphael ; Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN? My 2c Real world problems for us have been mostly to do with Voice services. I don’t know why but porting numbers is worse than pulling teeth and takes about 400x as long, Cat-A, Cat-C doesn’t matter, it sucks

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread David Hughes
On 24 Oct 2017, at 1:30 pm, Benjamin Ricardo mailto:ben.rica...@acs.com.au>> wrote: My question is, if this NBN is all about super-fast internet why force people to change their phone service? Because if you can keep a PSTN service then you could run ADSL over it and there goes the entire NB

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Benjamin Ricardo
, if this NBN is all about super-fast internet why force people to change their phone service? From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Tim Raphael Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 10:09 AM To: Subject: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN? For those

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Giles Pollock
Nah, the NBN issue is more along the lines of stringing a cable across a neighboring property, through a tree and low enough across a shared driveway for a truck to rip it out, when the entire installation is supposed to be underground (and yes the pits and conduit exist). Then further techs coming

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Mark Newton
On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Giles Pollock wrote: > > Difference is on NBN your landline is converted to a VoIP line and provided > by the ISP. Said ISP won't divulge the SIP configuration so if you want to > use it you're locked in to using their provided router. A router which dials > home

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Giles Pollock
lto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Giles > Pollock > *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:23 AM > *Cc:* aus...@ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN? > > > > Difference is on NBN your landline is converted to a VoIP

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Philip Loenneker
full refresh, but that and packet captures is something I’m sure many of us would do regularly. From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Giles Pollock Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:23 AM Cc: aus...@ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong wit

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Giles Pollock
Difference is on NBN your landline is converted to a VoIP line and provided by the ISP. Said ISP won't divulge the SIP configuration so if you want to use it you're locked in to using their provided router. A router which dials home for config and happily feeds back all the leases it gives out to c

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Robert Hudson
On 24 October 2017 at 10:37, Giles Pollock wrote: > On that topic... What is everyone's thoughts on the prospect of ISPs > recording and having access to internal network data, such as knowing what > devices are given what DHCP leases and the like? Seems a bit invasive to me > given none that I'

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Giles Pollock
A risky project, ultimately ruined by politics. After seeing the disaster my brother has been through with his NBN HFC installation and his ISPs ineptitude both in how they forced a service porting onto a reported faulty installation as well as his finding an absolutely hideous security issue, I fe

Re: [AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Robert Hudson
It's an interesting piece (Morrow's candour was particularly interesting), but it doesn't dig anywhere near deep enough into the real issues with the NBN. Once again, too much focus on the MTM, and not enough on the underlying economics and politics. On 24 October 2017 at 10:08, Tim Raphael wrot

[AusNOG] ABC 4Corners - What's Wrong with the NBN?

2017-10-23 Thread Tim Raphael
For those that didn’t watch 4Corners last night, this is very much worth watching. It really shows how NZ’s UFB compares to NBN. http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/four-corners/NC1704H037S00 - Tim___