Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or, Success?

2019-01-25 Thread Tony Wicks
>NZ is a tiny country compared to Australia so doing Fiber throughout the >country would of been a lot cheaper, This is a very poor argument. NZ is way physically smaller so yes backhaul between cities takes more resource. However Australia has much bigger cities with bigger population

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-25 Thread Jason Leschnik
> New Zealand went with fibre to the node stage 1 then stage 2 fibre to the house. I feel like this would have been a better way to go about the problem. I agree with Fibre being the ideal solution as an end-game but having a well fleshed out staged implimentation over a few years possibly would

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or, Success?

2019-01-25 Thread Chad Kelly
On 1/26/2019 12:00 PM, ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net wrote: NBN ws a classic case of a race horse designed by a committee (you get a 3 legged camel) and noses in the trough. It?s now here and a growing a number of customers are resisting moving across but under the rules once in an area you

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-25 Thread Chris Hurley
NBN ws a classic case of a race horse designed by a committee (you get a 3 legged camel) and noses in the trough. It¹s now here and a growing a number of customers are resisting moving across but under the rules once in an area you have X months to migrate ­ end of story so a new monopoly. To

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-23 Thread Bryan O'Reilly
As a telco mentor of mine said (no names as he’s on this list) “NBN co are doing a good job with a sh set of policies.” Kind regards, Bryan From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Jason Leschnik Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 2:04 PM To: AUSNOG Subject: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution -

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-23 Thread Noel Butler
On 24/01/2019 13:20, Jason Leschnik wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I considered posting it there but I decided to post to AusNOG instead as I > think WP is most of the time biased with Not to mention its run by paranoid power tripping fools who ban you just for kicks, but what do you expect when the

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-23 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 14:20, Jason Leschnik wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I considered posting it there but I decided to post to AusNOG instead as I > think WP is most of the time biased with Customer complaints instead of > seeing the NBN as a technical end-end solution. > To do the sort of

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-23 Thread Jason Leschnik
Hi Mark, I considered posting it there but I decided to post to AusNOG instead as I think WP is most of the time biased with Customer complaints instead of seeing the NBN as a technical end-end solution. @Nathan.Ridge - I appreciate the reply and information. On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 14:11, Mark

Re: [AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-23 Thread Mark Smith
A topic for discussion on Whirlpool. On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 14:05, Jason Leschnik wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm just trying to get myself a little bit better informed about NBN as an > end to end solution. I see a lot of angst out in the community about the > different access types (FTTx) and the

[AusNOG] NBN as an end to end solution - Failure or Success?

2019-01-23 Thread Jason Leschnik
Hi all, I'm just trying to get myself a little bit better informed about NBN as an end to end solution. I see a lot of angst out in the community about the different access types (FTTx) and the remaining aging Copper portion of the network and how far behind we are. I also see people happy with