Minutes of the 19th June 2023 Teleconference
hi All These are the minutes of today’s call regards Andrew - Minutes of the 19th June 2023 TeleconferenceAustin-1320 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 19th June 2023 Attendees: Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR Nick Stoughton, Logitech/USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR (partial) Andrew Josey, The Open Group Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev. Apologies Geoff Clare, The Open Group Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam Tom Thompson, IEEE * General news We are continuing the Monday calls again now the ballots have closed. We agreed that there will be no calls on the week commencing July 3. * Current Business Bug 1693: Align behavior of -s with existing practice Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693 This item is tagged for Issue 8 Change in make options on P3105, L104539: Do not write makefile command lines to: Do not write makefile execution lines (see Makefile Execution on page xxx) (editors notes: As an example of the reference, see line 104683 on p3018) Bug 1694: Use consistent wording for 'in the order specified' Accept https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1694 This item is tagged for Issue 8 1695: Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing cross reference to word splitting Duplicate of 1653 https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1695 Bug 1696: Effect of -s when no work needs to be done Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696 This item is tagged for Issue 8 Change in make STDOUT section on P3107, L104627-104633: The make utility shall write all commands to be executed to standard output unless the −s option was specified, the command is prefixed with an at-sign, or the special target .SILENT has either the current target as a prerequisite or has no prerequisites. If make is invoked without any work needing to be done, it shall write a message to standard output indicating that no action was taken. If the −t option is present and a file is touched, make shall write to standard output a message of unspecified format indicating that the file was touched, including the filename of the file. to: If make is invoked without any work needing to be done, it shall write a message to standard output indicating that no action was taken. Otherwise, the make utility shall write all commands to be executed (and the filenames of files touched for the -t option in a message of unspecified format) to standard output unless the −s option was specified, the command is prefixed with an at-sign, or the special target .SILENT has either the current target as a prerequisite or has no prerequisites. We will continue with Issue 8 Draft 3 ballot resolution on the next call. The next item is Bug 1697: Consider replacing out-of-date with not up-to-date https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1697 Next Steps -- The next call is on: Thu 2023-06-22 (general bugs/ballot resolution) Mon 2023-06-26 (general bugs/ballot resolution) Thu 2023-06-29 (general bugs/ballot resolution) No calls on July 3rd or July 6th The calls are for 90 minutes Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) Apologies in Advance: Eric Blake: June 15 through July 6 Please check the calendar invites for dial in details. Bugs are at: https://austingroupbugs.net An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd (For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on, for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts. Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup) Andrew JoseyThe Open Group Austin Group Chair Email: a.jo...@opengroup.org Apex Plaza, Forbury Road,Reading,Berks.RG1 1AX,England To learn how we maintain your privacy, please review The Open Group Privacy Statement at http://www.opengroup.org/privacy. To unsubscribe/opt-out from this mailing list login to The Open Group collaboration portal at https://collaboration.opengroup.org/operational/portal.php?action=unsub=2481
Austin Group teleconference +1 888 974 9888 PIN 618 156 403
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Austin Group teleconference +1 888 974 9888 PIN 618 156 403
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[Issue 8 drafts 0001696]: Effect of -s when no work needs to be done
The following issue has been RESOLVED. == https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1696 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Editorial Priority: normal Status: Resolved Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3107 Line Number:104629 Final Accepted Text:See https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696#c6339. Resolution: Accepted As Marked Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 12:16 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 16:07 UTC == Summary:Effect of -s when no work needs to be done == Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Page Number => 3107 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Line Number => 104629 2023-06-19 16:06 Don Cragun Note Added: 0006339 2023-06-19 16:07 Don Cragun Final Accepted Text => See https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696#c6339. 2023-06-19 16:07 Don Cragun Status New => Resolved 2023-06-19 16:07 Don Cragun Resolution Open => Accepted As Marked ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001696]: Effect of -s when no work needs to be done
A NOTE has been added to this issue. == https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1696 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Editorial Priority: normal Status: New Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3107 Line Number:104629 Final Accepted Text: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 12:16 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 16:06 UTC == Summary:Effect of -s when no work needs to be done == -- (0006339) Don Cragun (manager) - 2023-06-19 16:06 https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1696#c6339 -- Change in make STDOUT section on P3107, L104627-104633: The make utility shall write all commands to be executed to standard output unless the −s option was specified, the command is prefixed with an at-sign, or the special target .SILENT has either the current target as a prerequisite or has no prerequisites. If make is invoked without any work needing to be done, it shall write a message to standard output indicating that no action was taken. If the −t option is present and a file is touched, make shall write to standard output a message of unspecified format indicating that the file was touched, including the filename of the file.to:If make is invoked without any work needing to be done, it shall write a message to standard output indicating that no action was taken. Otherwise, the make utility shall write all commands to be executed (and the filenames of files touched for the -t option in a message of unspecified format) to standard output unless the −s option was specified, the command is prefixed with an at-sign, or the special target .SILENT has either the current target as a prerequisite or has no prerequisites. Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Page Number => 3107 2023-05-07 12:16 rillig Line Number => 104629 2023-06-19 16:06 Don Cragun Note Added: 0006339 ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001653]: make: confusing reference to word expansion
The issue 0001695 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue. == https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1653 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1653 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Editorial Priority: normal Status: Applied Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3106 Line Number:104597 Final Accepted Text:https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1653#c6302 Resolution: Accepted As Marked Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-03-31 09:05 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-13 11:21 UTC == Summary:make: confusing reference to word expansion == Relationships ID Summary -- has duplicate 0001695 Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing ... == Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-03-31 09:05 rillig New Issue 2023-03-31 09:05 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-03-31 09:05 rillig Section => make 2023-03-31 09:05 rillig Page Number => 3106 2023-03-31 09:05 rillig Line Number => 104597 2023-06-01 16:30 geoffclare Note Added: 0006302 2023-06-01 16:31 geoffclare Final Accepted Text => https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1653#c6302 2023-06-01 16:31 geoffclare Status New => Resolved 2023-06-01 16:31 geoffclare Resolution Open => Accepted As Marked 2023-06-01 16:31 geoffclare version => Draft 3 2023-06-01 16:32 geoffclare Tag Attached: issue8 2023-06-05 11:01 geoffclare Relationship added related to 0001695 2023-06-13 11:21 geoffclare Status Resolved => Applied 2023-06-13 11:22 geoffclare Tag Attached: applied_after_i8d3 2023-06-19 15:27 nick Relationship replacedhas duplicate 0001695 ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001695]: Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing cross reference to word splitting
The following issue has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0001653. == https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1695 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1695 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Editorial Priority: normal Status: Resolved Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3106 Line Number:104594 Final Accepted Text: Resolution: Duplicate Duplicate: 0 Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 12:04 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 15:27 UTC == Summary:Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing cross reference to word splitting == Relationships ID Summary -- duplicate of0001653 make: confusing reference to word expan... == Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Page Number => 3106 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Line Number => 104594 2023-06-05 11:01 geoffclare Note Added: 0006308 2023-06-05 11:01 geoffclare Relationship added related to 0001653 2023-06-05 12:37 rillig Note Added: 0006309 2023-06-19 15:25 nick Status New => Resolved 2023-06-19 15:25 nick Resolution Open => Duplicate 2023-06-19 15:27 nick Relationship replacedduplicate of 0001653 ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001695]: Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing cross reference to word splitting
The following issue has been RESOLVED. == https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1695 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1695 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Editorial Priority: normal Status: Resolved Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3106 Line Number:104594 Final Accepted Text: Resolution: Duplicate Duplicate: 0 Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 12:04 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 15:25 UTC == Summary:Description of MAKEFLAGS has confusing cross reference to word splitting == Relationships ID Summary -- related to 0001653 make: confusing reference to word expan... == Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Page Number => 3106 2023-05-07 12:04 rillig Line Number => 104594 2023-06-05 11:01 geoffclare Note Added: 0006308 2023-06-05 11:01 geoffclare Relationship added related to 0001653 2023-06-05 12:37 rillig Note Added: 0006309 2023-06-19 15:25 nick Status New => Resolved 2023-06-19 15:25 nick Resolution Open => Duplicate ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001694]: Use consistent wording for 'in the order specified'
The following issue has been RESOLVED. == https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1694 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1694 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Editorial Priority: normal Status: Resolved Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3103, 3105 Line Number:104484, 104567 Final Accepted Text: Resolution: Accepted Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 11:34 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 15:24 UTC == Summary:Use consistent wording for 'in the order specified' == Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 11:34 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 11:34 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 11:34 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 11:34 rillig Page Number => 3103, 3105 2023-05-07 11:34 rillig Line Number => 104484, 104567 2023-06-19 15:24 Don Cragun Status New => Resolved 2023-06-19 15:24 Don Cragun Resolution Open => Accepted ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001693]: Align behavior of -s with existing practice
The following issue has been UPDATED. == https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1693 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Objection Priority: normal Status: Resolved Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3105 Line Number:104539, 104755 Final Accepted Text:See https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693#c6338, Resolution: Accepted As Marked Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 11:29 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 15:20 UTC == Summary:Align behavior of -s with existing practice == Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Page Number => 3105 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Line Number => 104539, 104755 2023-05-11 16:22 shware_systems Note Added: 0006282 2023-06-19 15:19 Don Cragun Note Added: 0006338 2023-06-19 15:19 Don Cragun Status New => Resolved 2023-06-19 15:19 Don Cragun Resolution Open => Accepted As Marked 2023-06-19 15:20 Don Cragun Final Accepted Text => See https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693#c6338, ==
[Issue 8 drafts 0001693]: Align behavior of -s with existing practice
The following issue has been RESOLVED. == https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693 == Reported By:rillig Assigned To: == Project:Issue 8 drafts Issue ID: 1693 Category: Shell and Utilities Type: Clarification Requested Severity: Objection Priority: normal Status: Resolved Name: Roland Illig Organization: User Reference: Section:make Page Number:3105 Line Number:104539, 104755 Final Accepted Text: Resolution: Accepted As Marked Fixed in Version: == Date Submitted: 2023-05-07 11:29 UTC Last Modified: 2023-06-19 15:19 UTC == Summary:Align behavior of -s with existing practice == -- (0006338) Don Cragun (manager) - 2023-06-19 15:19 https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1693#c6338 -- Change in make options on P3105, L104539: Do not write makefile command linesto:Do not write makefile execution lines (see Makefile Execution on page xxx) Issue History Date ModifiedUsername FieldChange == 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig New Issue 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Name => Roland Illig 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Section => make 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Page Number => 3105 2023-05-07 11:29 rillig Line Number => 104539, 104755 2023-05-11 16:22 shware_systems Note Added: 0006282 2023-06-19 15:19 Don Cragun Note Added: 0006338 2023-06-19 15:19 Don Cragun Status New => Resolved 2023-06-19 15:19 Don Cragun Resolution Open => Accepted As Marked ==
