2001-04-09 Lars J. Aas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* autoupdate.in (print_usage): print "\ at end of line does not
work as expected, so change block to here-doc instead.
(print_version): Same.
Thanks, please install.
2001-04-09 Lars J. Aas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* acgeneral.m4 (_AC_OUTPUT_CONFIG_STATUS): Re-enable logging to
`config.log' from `config.status', but delay logging till after
command line option processing.
Thanks, install!
Well, I will disable the to-be-written chapter in the doc, I don't
have time to write it now, and I don't feel comfortable with using
Elf's material without his approval.
Let's flush all the documentation related patches, Lars' cleanups, and
target an actual release next week.
Alexandre, when
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:58:37AM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
Well, I will disable the to-be-written chapter in the doc, I don't
have time to write it now, and I don't feel comfortable with using
Elf's material without his approval.
Let's flush all the documentation related patches,
Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think 2.51 will probably be released soon afterwards. Nonetheless, I
would like to introduce deep internal changes: introduce autom4te. I'd
like autom4te to be written in Perl, i.e., starting from 2.51, Autoconf
will require Perl, and the same Perl
"Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexandre On Apr 6, 2001, Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
lobby a name change from AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR to AC_CONFIG_SUPDIR.
The SUP would be for either SUPplementary or SUPport which I
obtained from the definition of auxiliary.
"Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexandre On Apr 6, 2001, Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
lobby a name change from AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR to AC_CONFIG_SUPDIR.
The SUP would be for either SUPplementary or SUPport which I
obtained from the definition of auxiliary.
Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hm, how come we face different realities? Is it something domain
specific? For instance, in my case, the last packages I can think about
that did not use Automake where GAWK and findutils (aside from the
compiling suites).
Well, just in a quick
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On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexandre On Apr 6, 2001, Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
lobby a name change from AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR to AC_CONFIG_SUPDIR.
The SUP would be for either SUPplementary or SUPport
On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like autom4te to be written in Perl, i.e., starting from 2.51,
Autoconf will require Perl, and the same Perl as Automake.
I hate Perl. Really. I mean it.
I'd much rather go for Python or some other readable scripting
language.
"Russ" == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hm, how come we face different realities? Is it something domain
specific? For instance, in my case, the last packages I can think
about that did not use Automake where GAWK and findutils (aside
"Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexandre On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like autom4te to be written in Perl, i.e., starting from 2.51,
Autoconf will require Perl, and the same Perl as Automake.
Alexandre I hate Perl. Really. I mean it.
| On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| "Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| Alexandre On Apr 6, 2001, Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| lobby a name change from AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR to AC_CONFIG_SUPDIR.
| The SUP would be for either SUPplementary
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:58:37AM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: Let's flush all the documentation related patches, Lars' cleanups, and
: target an actual release next week.
There are no showstoppers left?
: I think 2.51 will probably be released soon afterwards. Nonetheless,
: I would like to
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: Honestly, I didn't even mention Python because I think it is too
: strong a required as opposed to Perl. But if Python is accepted, I'd
: be happy to learn it and use it for Autoconf.
:
: I don't know if Guile is a serious
"Lars" == Lars J Aas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lars Anyways, is "deep internal changes" really something for a +.1
Lars version increment? It sounds like a 3.0 rewrite to me - which
Lars we could of course fork off, but I think there's still a lot of
Lars living left to do for 2.* before its
Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexandre I hate Perl. Really. I mean it.
I hate it less than I used to, but it is still definitely not my
favorite. I like it much more than sh though (both Bourne sh, and
modern versions
Akim Demaille wrote:
Let's flush all the documentation related patches, Lars' cleanups, and
target an actual release next week.
I am in favor for letting autoconf-2.50 be preceeded by a at least 4
weeks long "code-freeze", "inevitable bug-fixes only" and "no new
features/cleanups" phase.
"Russ" == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ I hate to say this, but C *is* pretty portable, and you can
Russ probably assume that all maintainers who use autoconf have a C
Russ compiler available. I suppose that the sort of string
Russ manipulation that autoconf wants to do is pretty
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:47:08PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
: Akim Demaille wrote:
: Let's flush all the documentation related patches, Lars' cleanups, and
: target an actual release next week.
:
: I am in favor for letting autoconf-2.50 be preceeded by a at least 4
: weeks long
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:48:39PM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: "Russ" == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:
: Russ I hate to say this, but C *is* pretty portable, and you can
: Russ probably assume that all maintainers who use autoconf have a C
: Russ compiler available. I suppose that
"Lars" == Lars J Aas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lars Another scripting language that hasn't been mentioned is Tcl.
I think I did mention the speed issue at some point ;)
No really, I think Perl is the most serious candidate.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:39:19AM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: How about AC_CONFIG_CONFIG_DIR?
AC_CONFIG_SCRIPT_DIR, AC_CONFIG_EXTRA_DIR, AC_CONFIG_STUFF_DIR,
AC_CONFIG_LIB_DIR, AC_CONFIG_CONF_DIR... "CONFIG_CONFIG" seems a bit
strange.
Lars J
Akim Demaille wrote:
"Ralf" == Ralf Corsepius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ralf Akim Demaille wrote:
Let's flush all the documentation related patches, Lars' cleanups,
and target an actual release next week.
Ralf I am in favor for letting autoconf-2.50 be preceeded by a at
Ralf least
Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[About changing language for a future Autoconf rewrite]
No really, I think Perl is the most serious candidate.
Check out this snippet from Automake's TODO file:
rewrite in guile (RMS request)
at the same time, consider adding a GUI
Morten Eriksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(It seems a bit silly to go from sh to Perl with Autoconf if Automake is
planned to be rewritten from Perl to Guile..) :-}
I personally wouldn't mind Guile, if for no other reason than it would
give me a good excuse to learn Scheme. But it definitely
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:55:34PM +0200, Lars J. Aas wrote:
: On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:46:49PM +0200, Lars J. Aas wrote:
: : Copyright 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
:
: Does anyone with good knowledge of the Autoconf history know when
: config.status became a reality?
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: So? Let's give a try to Python? Move to Perl 5.5? Other?
I suddenly got the urge to do some ranting :-}
The situation today is that perl has the upper hand and Guile is more or
less just another embeddable scheme interpreter.
From: Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Apr 2001 08:49:15 -0300
I hate Perl. Really. I mean it.
I wouldn't go that far. But perhaps I'm biased:
* I worked down the hall from Larry Wall when he invented Perl.
* In 1993 Stott Parker and I published one of the first academic
"Paul" == Paul Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul Scheme by far is the best choice for this kind of application,
Paul because it's best at programs that generate other programs. The
Paul other languages mentioned are not even close.
I might be wrong, but I think there is some confusion
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:39:19AM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: How about AC_CONFIG_CONFIG_DIR?
AC_CONFIG_SCRIPT_DIR, AC_CONFIG_EXTRA_DIR, AC_CONFIG_STUFF_DIR,
AC_CONFIG_LIB_DIR, AC_CONFIG_CONF_DIR... "CONFIG_CONFIG" seems a bit
strange.
And the original point was also o be consistent
Paul Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Certainly Perl could be used, but for this application it would almost
certainly be less readable and maintainable than Scheme would be,
assuming similar competence levels for Perl and for Scheme.
I adore Perl and use it constantly for all sorts of
Anyways, I've tried a slightly changed format:
$ ./config.status --version
GNU Autoconf config.status 2.49e
configured by ../autoconf/configure, generated by GNU Autoconf 2.49e,
for host "nfs.trh.sim.no", with options ""
Copyright 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999,
From: "Tim Van Holder" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Importance: Normal
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:17:17 +0200
Anyways, I've tried a slightly changed format:
$ ./config.status --version
GNU Autoconf config.status 2.49e
configured by ../autoconf/configure, generated by GNU Autoconf 2.49e,
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Apr 2001 19:03:14 +0200
User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley)
"Paul" == Paul Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul Scheme by far is the best choice for this kind of application,
Paul
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 03:19:40PM +0200, Morten Eriksen wrote:
Check out this snippet from Automake's TODO file:
rewrite in guile (RMS request)
Is this on Automake's TODO list for technical reasons or
political ones? (So call me a cynic, but "RMS request" is pretty
suggestive :-)
"Eric" == Eric Siegerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
rewrite in guile (RMS request)
Eric Is this on Automake's TODO list for technical reasons or
Eric political ones? (So call me a cynic, but "RMS request" is
Eric pretty suggestive :-)
Political. Guile is the Official GNU scripting language.
"Paul" == Paul Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All I'm looking for is a decent language for the driver, i.e.,
rewrite autoconf.sh into something better than sh.
Paul For that application, I'm not entirely convinced that it's worth
Paul the hassle to switch. But it's not a big deal, and if
Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have been frightened by the number of problems we had with the
different AWKs and seds. I'm tired of the need to rewrite everything n
times, n being the number of .sh in Autoconf. Tim is fighting n times
with portability issues for DJGPP for things
"Russ" == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ Is there any way that the driver scripts could be generated
Russ using M4 so that all the portability junk can be hidden, just
Russ like autoconf lets the end user do for the configure script?
That's correct, and that's what Autom4ke is
a) automake was not ported from perl to guile for years,
and I don't know of experiments to actually do it now,
or have it done in this decade (it wasn't in the last).
Moving it from perl to guile does not earn much for
features or maintainability - it would just be another
point
On Apr 10, 2001, "Tim Van Holder" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:39:19AM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: How about AC_CONFIG_CONFIG_DIR?
AC_CONFIG_SCRIPT_DIR, AC_CONFIG_EXTRA_DIR, AC_CONFIG_STUFF_DIR,
AC_CONFIG_LIB_DIR, AC_CONFIG_CONF_DIR... "CONFIG_CONFIG" seems a bit
On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS/ I would like to know why sometimes we end up with ``Earnie Boyd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'' in the CC.
That's from Earnie's Reply-To:
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On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Russ" == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ Is there any way that the driver scripts could be generated
Russ using M4 so that all the portability junk can be hidden, just
Russ like autoconf lets the end user do for the configure
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
On Apr 10, 2001, Akim Demaille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS/ I would like to know why sometimes we end up with ``Earnie Boyd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'' in the CC.
That's from Earnie's Reply-To:
Right. I set the Reply-To that way to help the blind not add my email
Akim Demaille wrote:
"Ralf" == Ralf Corsepius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ralf Akim Demaille wrote:
Let's flush all the documentation related patches, Lars' cleanups,
and target an actual release next week.
Ralf I am in favor for letting autoconf-2.50 be preceeded by a at
Ralf least
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
On Apr 10, 2001, "Tim Van Holder" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:39:19AM +0200, Akim Demaille wrote:
: How about AC_CONFIG_CONFIG_DIR?
AC_CONFIG_SCRIPT_DIR, AC_CONFIG_EXTRA_DIR, AC_CONFIG_STUFF_DIR,
AC_CONFIG_LIB_DIR,
So? Let's give a try to Python? Move to Perl 5.5? Other?
Python has a core of loyal followers, just like perl and others, but
it also has a core deficiency of using white space for control which
creates the opposite effect of extreme dislike from others. Python
causes more polarization than
On Apr 10, 2001, Earnie Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right. I set the Reply-To that way to help the blind not add my email
address back into the distribution.
`Mail-Copies-To: never' would presumably have a similar effect.
Except that not all mailers respect this.
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