John Calcote wrote:
On 1/29/2010 10:17 AM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
Regarding silent installs: Why do passenger trains have windows?
Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
Okay - I can't help it! I bet the engineer's windows don't have
Probably no curtains, but they do have windshield wiper to clear away
the cruft.
The light rail trolleys around where I live also have pull-down sun
shades to protect the driver from glare. :-)
/me will stop now
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William Tracy
* John Calcote wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 14:22 -0700:
On 1/29/2010 10:17 AM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
Okay - I can't help it! I bet the engineer's windows don't have
curtains.
:-)
I think we have to accept that there are different requirements
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
* Ralf Wildenhues ralf.wildenh...@gmx.de wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
First off, `make -s' is both POSIX and portable.
Conceptually, `make -s' has nothing to do with the
`silent-rules' option that recent
Exactly, and I am asking
Ralf Wildenhues ralf.wildenh...@gmx.de wrote on 2010/01/31 08:24:44:
Hello,
let me address one part of the issue here (for the moment let's
ignore the separate libtool --mode=install verbosity issue):
* Alfred M. Szmidt wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 05:47:40PM CET:
You don't need that
Ralf Wildenhues ralf.wildenh...@gmx.de wrote on 2010/01/31 08:33:29:
* Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 02:57:40PM CET:
Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
First off, `make -s' is both POSIX and portable. Conceptually, `make
-s' has nothing to do with the
Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org wrote on 2010/01/29 17:47:40:
I was refering to AM_SILENT_RULES, which supresses `make all'
output; so this is not a very controversial topic, it is already
in automake and used by several projects. Would you like to work
on this feature? The
Peter Johansson troj...@gmail.com wrote on 2010/01/29 18:00:33:
Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
Wow. Pointless trying to add anything to discussion whether things are
good or evil.
But note this comment in depend2.am:
##
Hello,
let me address one part of the issue here (for the moment let's
ignore the separate libtool --mode=install verbosity issue):
* Alfred M. Szmidt wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 05:47:40PM CET:
You don't need that much programming skills to fix this, infact, all
the scaffolding is in place.
* Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 02:57:40PM CET:
Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
First off, `make -s' is both POSIX and portable. Conceptually, `make
-s' has nothing to do with the `silent-rules' option that recent
Exactly, and I am asking for
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
When a developer asks for a silent build in order to catch problems
all one should see is real warnings and problems.
Jocke
On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
What for?
When a developer asks for a silent build in order to catch problems
all one should see is real
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote on 2010/01/29 09:21:46:
On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
What for?
I just said that below.
On 01/29/2010 09:35 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote on 2010/01/29 09:21:46:
On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose output
is useful, automake already supports silent compilation. I know that
I have missed errors or warnings beause having had to much output to
read, Joakim, would you like to work on a patch for this? I think it
would be immensly
On 01/29/2010 11:17 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose output
is useful,
Where? So far, I have only experienced the contrary.
automake already supports silent compilation.
Yes, some automake maintainers share your opinion. I believe
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote on 2010/01/29 10:05:04:
On 01/29/2010 09:35 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote on 2010/01/29 09:21:46:
On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect
Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org wrote on 2010/01/29 11:17:24:
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose output
is useful, automake already supports silent compilation. I know that
Yes, but automake --silent is a different tool, perhaps it should
learn suppress the install
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose
output is useful, automake already supports silent compilation.
I know that
Yes, but automake --silent is a different tool, perhaps it should
learn suppress the install mgs as well as other libtool msgs such
as
Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org wrote on 2010/01/29 11:59:51:
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose
output is useful, automake already supports silent compilation.
I know that
Yes, but automake --silent is a different tool, perhaps it should
learn
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Silent make rules are harmful:
- Bogus defines []
typically do not show up as compiler warnings or errors.
Could you please explain that?
Here, most either use make from vim/emacs and use $EDITOR as error
On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Silent make rules are harmful:
- Bogus defines []
typically do not show up as compiler warnings or errors.
Could you please explain that?
Example: Compling a
On 01/29/2010 03:42 PM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de
wrote:
Silent make rules are harmful:
- Bogus defines []
typically do not show up as
by talking about GNU when you talk about GNU-powered software
distributions (a la GNU/Linux instead of just Linux). See
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more details.
Dag nabbit! The broken record is repeating again. Got to get a new
one.
Regarding silent installs: Why do
I was refering to AM_SILENT_RULES, which supresses `make all'
output; so this is not a very controversial topic, it is already
in automake and used by several projects. Would you like to work
on this feature? The maintainers can't accept a patch that
doesn't exist after
Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
Wow. Pointless trying to add anything to discussion whether things are
good or evil.
But note this comment in depend2.am:
## Verbosity of FASTDEP rules
## --
## (1) Some
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
Could you please explain that?
Example: Compling a package under linux
configure --prefix=/usr
...
gcc -DCONFDIR=/foo/bar -DIRIX ...
Using silent make rules you
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote:
Regarding silent installs: Why do passenger trains have windows?
Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
SCNR :)
oki,
Steffen
Joakim Tjernlund joakim.tjernl...@transmode.se writes:
I don't know where to start even and considering that silent builds
seems to be a very controversial subject within the autotools
maintainers , I think this needs to come from the maintainers themselves
to have any chance to be accepted.
On 1/29/2010 10:17 AM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote:
Regarding silent installs: Why do passenger trains have windows?
Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
SCNR :)
Okay - I can't help it! I
Hello,
* Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 09:05:07AM CET:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
When a developer asks for a silent build in order to catch problems
all one should
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