Re: [Automake-NG] Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Akim Demaille
Le 1 févr. 2013 à 10:35, Stefano Lattarini a écrit : > So, is anyone using or playing with Automake-NG, or at least > contemplating the idea to do so in the short term? Or should > we just let the project die? I subscribe to all the good opinions about NG that have been made here. I would de

Re: [Automake-NG] Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Peter Rosin
On 2013-02-02 01:15, Eric Blake wrote: > On 02/01/2013 05:00 PM, Peter Rosin wrote: >> Supporting INCLUDES in automake-NG costs nearly nothing. > > This, however, is a statement I'm not willing to concede; so while I > agree with the decision to deprecate (but not remove) INCLUDES from > automake,

Re: [Automake-NG] Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Eric Blake
On 02/01/2013 05:00 PM, Peter Rosin wrote: > > And in fact, I just expressed how I think removing support for > INCLUDES is wrong, for *both* projects! I agree that removing it from automake is counterproductive. But I support removing it from Automake-NG - as long as we are moving to a newer en

Re: Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Peter Rosin
Hi Stefano, On 2013-02-01 10:35, Stefano Lattarini wrote: > On 02/01/2013 09:45 AM, Peter Rosin wrote: >> From NEWS in the master branch: >> >> - Support for the long-obsolete $(INCLUDES) variable has >> been finally removed, in favour of the modern equivalent >> $(AM_CPPFLAGS). >> >> Wh

Re: Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() Stefano Lattarini () Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:59:58 +0100 A first step would certainly be making it a separate project on Savannah, rather than just a glorified branch in the Automake Git repository (plus a dedicated mailing list). Anyone has experience or suggestions on how to better

Re: [Automake-NG] Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Stefano Lattarini wrote: I'm happy to read this :-) You should be happy that a number of us have been interested in Automake-NG enough to remain subscribed to its mailing list and provide comments on directions and ideas. Being on the mailing list requires a level of d

Re: [Automake-NG] Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Stefano Lattarini
Hi Russ, thanks for the feedback. On 02/01/2013 07:38 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > Stefano Lattarini writes: > >> So, is anyone using or playing with Automake-NG, or at least >> contemplating the idea to do so in the short term? Or should we just >> let the project die? > > I'm not personally usi

Re: Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Stefano Lattarini
On 02/01/2013 07:18 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Stefano Lattarini wrote: >> >> This wrong approach is probably the result of me trying to keep a foot >> in both camps -- that is, maintaining mainline Automake while trying >> to encourage a switch to Automake-NG in the long term

Re: Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Stefano Lattarini wrote: This wrong approach is probably the result of me trying to keep a foot in both camps -- that is, maintaining mainline Automake while trying to encourage a switch to Automake-NG in the long term. Probably not a good move, for any of those projects. I

Re: Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Lattarini writes: > So, is anyone using or playing with Automake-NG, or at least > contemplating the idea to do so in the short term? Or should we just > let the project die? I'm not personally using it or playing with it yet, but I like the idea of rethinking the project and eliminatin

bug#11419: Get rid of ylwrap, and simplify yacc/lex rules: withdrawn this wishlist entry

2013-02-01 Thread Akim Demaille
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Stefano Lattarini wrote: > tags 11419 wontfix > close 11419 > thanks > > Reference: > > > The improvements to the ylwrap script contributed by Akim in the 1.12.x > and 1.13 releases have fixed most of the issues

Re: Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Stefano Lattarini
[+cc automake-ng] On 02/01/2013 09:45 AM, Peter Rosin wrote: > Hi! > > From NEWS in the master branch: > > - Support for the long-obsolete $(INCLUDES) variable has > been finally removed, in favour of the modern equivalent > $(AM_CPPFLAGS). > > Why is this removal important? It forces

Removal of INCLUDES in favour of AM_CPPFLAGS

2013-02-01 Thread Peter Rosin
Hi! >From NEWS in the master branch: - Support for the long-obsolete $(INCLUDES) variable has been finally removed, in favour of the modern equivalent $(AM_CPPFLAGS). Why is this removal important? It forces changes to a hundred (or so) Makefiles in *one* project I'm involved with. T