On 08/21/2012 12:20 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Il 21/08/2012 12:10, Stefano Lattarini ha scritto:
(AC_SUBST): Define AM_VARTYPOS_WHITELIST to LIBFFI_EXECUTABLE_LDFLAGS
RELOC_LDFLAGS. This is required because Automake-NG is stricter than
mainline Automake in its make runtime checks on possible
Il 21/08/2012 14:44, Stefano Lattarini ha scritto:
But there is an important difference: Automake-NG is *not* the next
version of Automake, it is the Next Generation: it's not meant to
be merged into the Automake code base, nor to supersede Automake,
because the two projects have different
Il 21/08/2012 16:32, Stefano Lattarini ha scritto:
Bottom line is: we want to make it clear that Automake-NG is something
different from Automake -- albeit mostly compatible, deliberately, and
with very, very similar design and API; and that a transition between
the two won't be seamless --
On 21/08/2012 08:06, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Exactly. The -NG moniker would have made no sense. What could have
made sense would have been a mapping like
Yes that would have helped _a lot_.
Another thing that would have helped would have been out-of-the-box
support for multiple installed
On 08/21/2012 05:02 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Il 21/08/2012 16:32, Stefano Lattarini ha scritto:
Bottom line is: we want to make it clear that Automake-NG is something
different from Automake -- albeit mostly compatible, deliberately, and
with very, very similar design and API; and that a
On 08/21/2012 05:06 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Il 21/08/2012 16:53, Diego Elio Pettenò ha scritto:
do you think the transition would have been less painful (I really
hope the answer is yes, of course).
From a distribution point of view... it wouldn't have been any less
painful. It would have
On 08/21/2012 06:01 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Ok. So the question I'd like you to ask yourself are:
This needs to be done for each NG-NEWS items. It could improve the
existing users of Automake, and reduce the size of NG-NEWS. Both of
which are good things!
And I've done that already
On 21/08/2012 09:30, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
In Fedora we already are pushing around package maintainers to pass
appropriate options to configure to revert this change, because silent
make rules are non-suitable for building distros in batch jobs.
The same is true for Gentoo.
In other words,
On 08/21/2012 06:30 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 08/21/2012 06:01 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Ok. So the question I'd like you to ask yourself are:
This needs to be done for each NG-NEWS items. It could improve the
existing users of Automake, and reduce the size of NG-NEWS. Both of
which
On 08/21/2012 06:01 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Ok. So the question I'd like you to ask yourself are:
* Why does it make sense to request manual declaration of 'SUFFIXES'?
* Does it make sense to do so in Automake, too?
And another question:
* Alternatively, could Automake-NG suggest
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Stefano Lattarini wrote:
Maybe we just need good PR and advertisment in this. The python
developers has managed to make a 3.0 release incompatible with the 2.x
series, because they've been very clear and vocal about the breakage,
and have been for a long time. We might
On 08/21/2012 07:36 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Stefano Lattarini wrote:
Maybe we just need good PR and advertisment in this. The python
developers has managed to make a 3.0 release incompatible with the 2.x
series, because they've been very clear and vocal about the
Il 21/08/2012 19:14, Stefano Lattarini ha scritto:
* warn for unknown *_XYZFLAGS variables
I'm still unconvinced it would be a good idea to introduce this
incompatibility in Automake just for the sake of simplifying
transition to Automake-NG, sorry.
* warn for treating _SOURCES entries
On 08/21/2012 08:58 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Stefano Lattarini wrote:
Because all of us have forgotten to drop the 'CC:' to that list (where
the discussion originated from) at a proper time :-(
If it had been held only on the automake list then there would be less
On 08/21/2012 08:51 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
Il 21/08/2012 19:14, Stefano Lattarini ha scritto:
* warn for unknown *_XYZFLAGS variables
I'm still unconvinced it would be a good idea to introduce this
incompatibility in Automake just for the sake of simplifying
transition to Automake-NG,
Il 21/08/2012 20:58, Bob Friesenhahn ha scritto:
Because all of us have forgotten to drop the 'CC:' to that list (where
the discussion originated from) at a proper time :-(
If it had been held only on the automake list then there would be less
harm to the free software world
Which harm are
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