[Ayatana] Fwd: Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Natan Yellin
Natan -- Forwarded message -- From: Ryan Prior Date: Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed To: Natan Yellin On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > I don't think an X is useful either, but it seems to be a > common request.

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread Natan Yellin
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Brian Curtis wrote: > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > > The situation I would want to avoid is actually the one you describe, > where > > the "normal" situation is for people to have the "green dot" and to wait > > till they get a "red

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Natan Yellin
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Jacob Peddicord wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > >> Even if most Ubuntu users aren't at all tech savvy, you can't annoy the >> small minority which are power users. Those are the people who may decide to >> get involved in development

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Jordan Mantha
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Jacob Peddicord wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > I can think of plenty of other options that would be nice though: >  - Positioning and size >  - Default expiration time >  - Theming? Different colored backgrounds/font color, etc for

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Richard JOHNSON
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 10:29:22PM +0300, Natan Yellin wrote: > Even if most Ubuntu users aren't at all tech savvy, you can't annoy the > small minority which are power users. Those are the people who may decide to > get involved in development and submit patches, so their opinion is critical > to

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Jacob Peddicord
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > Even if most Ubuntu users aren't at all tech savvy, you can't annoy the > small minority which are power users. Those are the people who may decide to > get involved in development and submit patches, so their opinion is critical > to your suc

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Martin Owens
Richard makes good points, I like to remember the idea that "Creations reflect your masters, be honest about who you serve", I like to think I serve the Ubuntu Community and more specifically non technical Ubuntu users. So far Canonical people have been aiming for that audience too. > Even if mos

Re: [Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Natan Yellin
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Richard JOHNSON wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So, a few things that I am noticing on this list, in press, and from > various users, concerning the desktop notifications are this: > > a) When we, the developers, are discussing the options with notifications, > we tend t

[Ayatana] Things I have noticed

2009-05-09 Thread Richard JOHNSON
Hey everyone, So, a few things that I am noticing on this list, in press, and from various users, concerning the desktop notifications are this: a) When we, the developers, are discussing the options with notifications, we tend to discuss our workflow, which is fine, but we also need to remember

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread mac_v
Juha Siltala wrote: > Unfortunately, XChat-GNOME (which is in main) does not yet support the > new system. The "legacy" XChat is in universe and does not support it > either. By default, Pidgin does in fact *not* have a perpetual icon in > the notification area in Jaunty, so there is no double repr

[Ayatana] problems with messaging indicator and workflow

2009-05-09 Thread Jordan Mantha
So I've finally had to get rid of the messaging indicator applet after trying it out for the last month or so. I'd like to throw out a few reasons why and talk a little about how I use my computer and how the notification system would ideally work for me. First, problems with the existing messagin

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread mac_v
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > For the moment, I think the messaging menu will stay binary ("no queue" > vs "stuff to do"). But we definitely have a priority / urgency goal for > Karmic in notifications. We are turning on a debug behaviour for > notify-osd so that urgency will be visible on notifica

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread Dylan McCall
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 10:00 -0400, Steve Stalcup wrote: > I still feel default notifications (knotify in the case of KDE) is my > ideal method on email notifications > > More crap isn't always better I'm not even completely clued in on how Message Indicator works its magic, except that it invol

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread Martin Owens
> More crap isn't always better One man's crap is another man's agricultural grade fertiliser as Harry King would say. Besides, I detect no rationale in your email and I'd appreciate a thorough comparison of KDE's knotify since I don't use KDE myself. Martin, _

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread Steve Stalcup
I still feel default notifications (knotify in the case of KDE) is my ideal method on email notifications More crap isn't always better On May 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Martin Owens wrote: If I have to go into my email configuration and specify an email address that's "important" so that it "giv

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread Martin Owens
> If I have to go into my email configuration and specify an email > address that's "important" so that it "gives me the green dot", that's > a LOT of work. On its own, the payoff (a green dot on new email from > that address) isn't really worth it. ESPECIALLY if "I get frequent > email from" these

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator message weighting

2009-05-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Alex Launi wrote: > > For apps in main, specifically IM and email, we would probably > take a fairly tight view of "what should create the dot". > > > This is great for apps in main, but we can't forget about universe > just because it's not main. If apps in universe are abusing the > indic