Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-24 Thread Dr. David Alan Gilbert
* Conscious User (consciousu...@aol.com) wrote: > > > While I like the basic concept, there are going to be severe limits. > > First off, what about vertical desktops? I have a 2x 2 setup, and its > > worked wonders for me for keeping organized. I personally can't stand > > the stick em all in the

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Silly iPod touch keeps goofing up my email and sending before I finish. Here's the poll: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/workspaces-and-how-we-use-them.html On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Luke Benstead wrote: > On 23 April 2010 14:17, Roth Robert wrote: >> I have just been looking at the gnom

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Gah. I keep forgetting to On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Luke Benstead wrote: > On 23 April 2010 14:17, Roth Robert wrote: >> I have just been looking at the gnome-shell wikis, and I have found >> some >> mockups for suggested window management. I think the idea is quite >> good, >> could replace

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Tyler Brainerd
In the interest of further thought on this subject, I posted a poll in popular blog OMG! Ubuntu just a few minutes ago. Later today I'll put one up at the forums as well, just to try to get a feel from the community how workspaces are used and how they could be used in the future. On Apr 23, 2010,

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Ignore that last blank one. Thanks for making the wiki! On Apr 23, 2010, at 3:10 AM, Vishnoo wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:14 +0100, David Siegel wrote: >> Guys, this is an excellent discussion. Will someone please volunteer >> to organize some of what's been said on a wiki page, or Google >

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Tyler Brainerd
On Apr 23, 2010, at 3:10 AM, Vishnoo wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:14 +0100, David Siegel wrote: >> Guys, this is an excellent discussion. Will someone please volunteer >> to organize some of what's been said on a wiki page, or Google >> Doc/Wave, or something? Otherwise these ideas will like

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Tyler Brainerd
The blog I made reference too will address many of the proposed solutions here, albeit in a critical manner to root out good solutions. I can archive the conversation in a shared google doc, with permission from everyone involved. On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:14 AM, David Siegel wrote: > Guys, this is

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Luke Benstead
On 23 April 2010 14:17, Roth Robert wrote: > I have just been looking at the gnome-shell wikis, and I have found some > mockups for suggested window management. I think the idea is quite good, > could replace the workspaces. Someone has already sent a mail with a mockup > similar to these, but thi

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Roth Robert
I have just been looking at the gnome-shell wikis, and I have found some mockups for suggested window management. I think the idea is quite good, could replace the workspaces. Someone has already sent a mail with a mockup similar to these, but this is a bit more detailed... check them out. http://l

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Luke Benstead
On 23 April 2010 11:10, Vishnoo wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:14 +0100, David Siegel wrote: >> Guys, this is an excellent discussion. Will someone please volunteer >> to organize some of what's been said on a wiki page, or Google >> Doc/Wave, or something? Otherwise these ideas will likely nev

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:14 +0100, David Siegel wrote: > Guys, this is an excellent discussion. Will someone please volunteer > to organize some of what's been said on a wiki page, or Google > Doc/Wave, or something? Otherwise these ideas will likely never escape > this thread. > > David > There

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-23 Thread David Siegel
Guys, this is an excellent discussion. Will someone please volunteer to organize some of what's been said on a wiki page, or Google Doc/Wave, or something? Otherwise these ideas will likely never escape this thread. David On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Robin Anderson wrote: > Here's an idea fo

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Robin Anderson
Here's an idea for a kind of Mac OS X Expose fullscreen (in the way Apple's Front Row fullscreens) way to move either windows or all windows of an application from workspaces. Also is probably touch-friendly. I want to get the general idea of moving windows/applications between workspaces by draggi

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Robin Anderson
I think a distinction should be made between what would work well on desktops and what would work well on netbooks. Using only maximized windows on a 24in screen for example doesn't sound like something people would be into. As screen size gets bigger I see window management going more towards eas

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Robin Anderson
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Conscious User wrote: > > You might want to take a look at those: > > DockbarX > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=101604 > > Talika > http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Talika+applet?content=118267 Thanks for those, they look interesting and sho

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Remco
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 22:47, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > I think we need to focus a bit more on the fundamental reasons why we use > workspaces. I for one often switch to a new workspace because i don't want > to see any of what i was working on before. I don't want tabs from before, > apps from bef

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Conscious User
> I think we need to focus a bit more on the fundamental reasons why we > use workspaces. I for one often switch to a new workspace because i > don't want to see any of what i was working on before. I don't want > tabs from before, apps from before, any single thing, just a clean, > open, new desk

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I think we need to focus a bit more on the fundamental reasons why we use workspaces. I for one often switch to a new workspace because i don't want to see any of what i was working on before. I don't want tabs from before, apps from before, any single thing, just a clean, open, new desktop. The on

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 02:55, Conscious User wrote: > Can you please elaborate more on how vertical setups help your > organization? I use a 2x2 setup too, but mainly for keyboard > navigation purposes, something that would not be forbidden by > the tab concept. Multi-dimensional organization. X

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Luke Benstead
> Interestingly I was just about to post a response to this thread with > a similar idea... > > The main problem I find with workspaces is their interaction with the > window list. It would be nice if all applications were visible on the > window list all the time *but* grouped into workspaces with

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Luke Benstead
> I brainstormed a little on your mockup. The attached image shows > workspaces as tabs, and inside it are the actual applications. > > This could easily carry dock functionality as well, where you pin some > applications to a particular workspace. > > -- > Remco > > ___

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 22 April 2010 15:24, Remco wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:27, Conscious User wrote: >> >>> It's a good point. The workspaces experience has languished, and I'd >>> like for us to climb in and improve it substantially. At the moment, we >>> do a half-hearted job - we ship what's there but

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 13:15 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > I do not use workspaces at all. Neither do I have a bottom panel. The > waste of space on the top panel has become the area for the »tabs« – > the window list applet. That way I can comfortably change between > full-screen applica

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Conscious User
> I also run maximus to eliminate the space-wasting titlebar. > Test-driving GNOME Shell, I am waiting for a (native) global menu. At > the moment, I am torn between the two approaches to use the space in > the titlebar: window list or menu. It may be best to use only icons > for the windows (like

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Conscious User
> I think we should coordinate this with Gnome, and ask them whether > they're going to do anything with that space in Gnome Shell. It would > be stupid to design something awesome, then realise that Shell uses > that space for a essential part of its functionality. >From the current state, it se

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 22 April 2010 10:27, Conscious User wrote: > A tabbed system like Robin mentioned sounds very nice to me for two > reasons: first, it's very familiar as tabbed browsers are nearly > ubiquitous now. Second, am I the only one here annoyed at the fact that > there is a *huge* waste of space in the

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Conscious User
> I thought of maybe bringing up adding workspaces on-the-fly but > dropped it when I thought of a person that had no experience with > multiple workspaces say open an application set to create a new > workspace and being annoyed/angered/confused by all of the windows > they just had now being go

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread David Siegel
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Conscious User wrote: > >> It's a good point. The workspaces experience has languished, and I'd >> like for us to climb in and improve it substantially. At the moment, we >> do a half-hearted job - we ship what's there but as you say, only >> configure two workspac

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Nicholas Ipsen(Sephiroth_VII)
I think we should coordinate this with Gnome, and ask them whether they're going to do anything with that space in Gnome Shell. It would be stupid to design something awesome, then realise that Shell uses that space for a essential part of its functionality. Nicholas Ipsen > > ___

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Robin Anderson
I really should be going to bed but this is some interesting stuff. I thought of maybe bringing up adding workspaces on-the-fly but dropped it when I thought of a person that had no experience with multiple workspaces say open an application set to create a new workspace and being annoyed/angered/

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Robin Anderson
Oops, sorry I didn't see this thread until after I hit "send". Please consider my most recent email in the other thread to be part of this one. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Conscious User wrote: > > > While I like the basic concept, there are going to be severe limits. > > First off, what abo

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Conscious User
> While I like the basic concept, there are going to be severe limits. > First off, what about vertical desktops? I have a 2x 2 setup, and its > worked wonders for me for keeping organized. I personally can't stand > the stick em all in the line organization. Can you please elaborate more on how

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Tyler Brainerd
sorry, forgot a bit. you could even implement this to the point of, rather then having the links of the messenging menu open the app over the current workspace instead be the email layer selector itself. i'll get to work on some mockups to explain this a little better. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:3

Re: [Ayatana] Making workspaces great (branched from "Farewell to the notification area")

2010-04-22 Thread Tyler Brainerd
While I like the basic concept, there are going to be severe limits. First off, what about vertical desktops? I have a 2x 2 setup, and its worked wonders for me for keeping organized. I personally can't stand the stick em all in the line organization. Secondly, do we want to implement adding worksp