Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-18 Thread Allan Caeg
You might want to read this http://lifehacker.com/5295449/disable-ubuntus-annoying-update-manager-popup Alex Launi wrote: I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all continue your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for the auto-login case, although it

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 09.26 -0500, David Siegel ha scritto: I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not think of gurus like us The argument that's for gurus or power users keeps popping up :) This can not be applied here: auto-login is enabled by checking an innocent

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Allan Caeg
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 09.26 -0500, David Siegel ha scritto: I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not think of gurus like us The argument that's for gurus or power users keeps popping up :) This can not be applied here: auto-login is

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
People who auto-login or never restart can be handled differently. Personally, I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not think of gurus like us, who participate on Linux mailing lists, and let's think instead about the average user, who might be made uncomfortable by

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread David Siegel
My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can forgive me for making [it offers a] more pleasant experience the main thrust of my argument. I am not decidedly in favor of updates at GDM over

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Wouter Stomp
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, David Siegeldavid.sie...@canonical.com wrote: Most of us would be perfectly comfortable initiating an update on shutdown, and walking away from our machine, but I'm not sure if less sophisticated users are similarly comfortable behaving this way. Most users

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread David Siegel
I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit updates, I get smacked :) David Wouter Stomp wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, David Siegeldavid.sie...@canonical.com wrote: Most of us would be perfectly comfortable initiating an update on shutdown, and walking

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David Siegeldavid.sie...@canonical.com wrote: I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit updates, I get smacked :) Understandable. I should also say that browser upgrades are different from whole OS upgrade (not to mention we have

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Wouter Stomp
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:22 AM, taconetac...@gmx.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David Siegeldavid.sie...@canonical.com wrote: I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit updates, I get smacked :) Had the same experience :-) Understandable. I

[Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all continue your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for the auto-login case, although it becomes much less important. I've copied and pasted the relevant posts from the previous thread into this one. Have at it.

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
We should definitely consider as many update scenarios as possible in order to find the one that users will prefer. We are very quick to start implementing updates and shut down without considering something radically different because many of us have experiences updates at shutdown when using