Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-09-06 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 08:44 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 11:15 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: There is no need for a Preferences for the Messaging Menu, and this use case does not justify the creation of one. We have specified a preference dialog for the messaging menu.

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Scott Kitterman wrote: And also best that these apps not require configuration prior to gaining access to the preference (e.g. the Evolution example given earlier). Requiring users to set up applications in order to not be bothered by them in the menu is not a usability win. +1 and

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
David Barth wrote: Ted Gould wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 20:07 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Aha! And this is the nature of the bug as I see it. I do not HAVE a message of any kind, but I still have the e-mail icon. Please switch to some other icon when

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread David Siegel
On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:44AM , Ted Gould wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 11:15 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: There is no need for a Preferences for the Messaging Menu, and this use case does not justify the creation of one. We have specified a preference dialog for the messaging menu. The

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread David Siegel
On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:44AM , Ted Gould wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 11:15 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: There is no need for a Preferences for the Messaging Menu, and this use case does not justify the creation of one. We have specified a preference dialog for the messaging menu. The

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread David Siegel
On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:14AM , Rick Spencer wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 09:06 -0500, David Siegel wrote: For a concrete example, consider Evolution. To remove the Evolution launcher from the messaging menu, you'd have to launch Evolution and set up your email account before you can access

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 11:15 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: There is no need for a Preferences for the Messaging Menu, and this use case does not justify the creation of one. The messaging menu should be removed ONLY if there are NO applications configured to present themselves in there when

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread C. Cooke
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 07:14:45AM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote: Assuming that users prefer to act directly on objects, would it not be more direct to allow them to right click on the menu item to remove it? This would be consistent with how users remove the Evo launcher from the panel.

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Rick Spencer
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 09:20 -0500, David Siegel wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:14AM , Rick Spencer wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 09:06 -0500, David Siegel wrote: For a concrete example, consider Evolution. To remove the Evolution launcher from the messaging menu, you'd have to launch

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread David Siegel
On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:29AM , Rick Spencer wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 09:20 -0500, David Siegel wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:14AM , Rick Spencer wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 09:06 -0500, David Siegel wrote: For a concrete example, consider Evolution. To remove the Evolution launcher

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Rick Spencer
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 10:38 -0500, David Siegel wrote: True, but personally, I'd rather make the system work the way users want and expect it to, even if it requires deviating from the HIG. Cheers, Rick If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse.

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Rick Spencer
This did not come off in the good natured way that I intended. (stupid email and it's lack of body language and voice). I seriously meant to convey that I defer to the design team's judgment on this topic. Cheers, Rick On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 08:44 -0700, Rick Spencer wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Dylan McCall
Context menus on menus themselves is something generally avoided. I'm pretty sure it's a big no-no in the GNOME HIG as well, but I'd have to check. David On the topic of the HIG, please do not call this preferences if it is to control a single thing. There is no practical reason to give

Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 410220] Re: Indicator applet Always shows icon

2009-08-25 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 21:51 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: We won't ever ask anyone to right click on a menu. Ever. Verb menu or noun menu? It might be worth sorting out the two. Martin, ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to