Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

2014-10-03 Thread Anthony Martin
Doug,

You are correct in that I'm searching for my wife's ancestors, but I'm 
still not sure if I'm looking at the correct people. :)

I only received a couple dozen names and the earliest date I've confirmed 
so far is 11/21/1860 for an Aniceto Luiz Parreira.

Interesting information you provided! My wife's family has a similar 
situation. Her grandparents Jose Luiz Parreira Married his cousin Dolores 
Castro Jaques. They were cousins through each of their mothers whom were 
sisters; Francisca Rosa Cardosa Jaques and Maria Rosa Jaques.

On Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:22:12 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Helen and Anthony,

 And there's more.

 Francisca married to her 2nd cousin, once removed and their common 
 ancestors are Salvador Machado da Rocha, whose first name is the origin for 
 your husband's surname! So not only is Francisca your cousin, but so is her 
 husband. :-)

 One more thing I noticed at a glance. Anthony is related to another list 
 member, Doreen Caetano Jungk by some common Canto ancestors from around the 
 1800 time frame. And I'm related to Doreen and to your husband.

 One could get dizzy from all that.

 Actually, I believe Anthony said these are his wife's ancestors.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
 From: hisalv via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 4:23 pm
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   Antonio, After the name after Jose da Rocha Machado is Salvador, his 
 wife is Maria da Esperanca. They are my husband's Great Grandparents.
  
 Helen Salvador
 Fremont, CA
  
  
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 From: Anthony Martin anthonya...@gmail.com javascript:
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 Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 11:40 am
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

  On the bottom right of record 24 on page 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P9.html
  shows 
 the name Jose de Rocha, but I can't make out what it says immediately after 
 the name. Also, entry number 2 in the margin appears to read that she died 
 on 11/20/1960, but I can't quite make out the month. On the following page 
 it shows that something happened on 06-25-1982, but I can't read the 
 writing to make out what it says. I think it says that the birth record was 
 requested on that date, but I'm not exactly sure. 

  Would someone be able to help with these records? 
  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

2014-10-03 Thread Nancy Couto
Doug, no I haven't found the link.  I was hoping maybe you or someone else
had.  I haven't done any research in Terceira records and am not familiar
with Forjaz's book. I was just raising the connection as a possibility,
since I match Joseph Salvador at the 5th-to-remote-cousin level on Family
Finder.  If I learn anything conclusive, I'll let you and Helen know.

Nancy


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:18 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Hi Nancy,

 I know Forjaz assumes the Rocha families of Terceira are descendants, but
 shows little to no proof of anything.
 It surely might be true, but are you saying you found the link between
 this Salvador and your 15th great grandfather? There are at least 5-7
 missing generations by my calculation.




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

2014-10-03 Thread pico
Thanks, Nancy.I would have been shocked if you had successfully bridged the gap. I don't think it will be possible.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
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Date: Fri, October 03, 2014 9:09 am
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Doug, no I haven't found the link. I was hoping maybe you or someone else had. I haven't done any research in Terceira records and am not familiar with Forjaz's book. I was just raising the connection as a possibility, since I match Joseph Salvador at the 5th-to-remote-cousin level on Family Finder. If I learn anything conclusive, I'll let you and Helen know.NancyOn Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:18 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:Hi Nancy,I know Forjaz assumes the Rocha families of Terceira are descendants, but shows little to no proof of anything.It surely might be true, but are you saying you found the link between this Salvador and your 15th great grandfather? There are at least 5-7 missing generations by my calculation. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

2014-10-03 Thread pico
Hi Anthony,As we discussed in private, what I wrote about your connection to Helen Salvador's husband Joe and Doreen Caetano Jungk is not right because those aren't your wife's ancestors you found.I'll have to look at these other people you mention because I can't remember who right now, but there is someone I know either on this list or elsewhere who has Jaques ancestors.Do you have your own Terceira ancestors named Martins?There is a whole lot of cousin marriages throughout the Azores and certainly no less of them in Ribeirinha. Because of that it gives a false impression when you do DNA tests like Family Finder. It doubles up DNA levels and makes it look like people who are 5th cousins are estimated as 2nd or 3rd cousins.As for your Parreira name itself, you can imagine how it can be confused with the far more common name of Pereira, so look carefully when you find it to be sure you don't get the wrong people. Lucky for you, Pereira is not nearly as common in Ribeirinha as Parreira. It shows up in many of the Terceira village records and is quite an old name. I wonder what Jorge Forjaz and Antonio Mendes say about their origins in the Genealogias da Ilha Terceira. It would surely be listed because there are some noble lines and higher status families who used it. I have not made any final conclusions about it as far as origins, but I can tell you Ribeirinha is where they are mostly found. Many of the earliest named Parreira used the combination Fernandes Parreira and there are plenty using Luis Parreira, plus there are Gonçalves Parreira, Vaz Parreira, Soares Parreira and Machado Parreira.The earliest I have found so far is Sebastião Álvares Parreira who was born about 1580 by my current estimate. I will likely find some who are older as I more thoroughly scour the oldest existing records of the 1500s. Unfortunately, Ribeirinha records are not that old and so there are gaps and presumed connections, etc. pending further documentation.Three people, at least, reached the military rank of Alferes who were born in the 1600s. One of them is the ancestor of your wife. She has two Parreira lines, maybe four (two unconfirmed). At least one Parreira reached the level of Capitao, a relative to your wife.Finally, you were impressed at the mention of ancestors from the 1500s, but that's something pretty common for Terceira because some villages have records that far back. Your wife has at least some branches in her tree that go back that far, and in fact into the 1400s. But most with Ribeirinha ancestors can at least trace them back into the middle or late 1600s. I have several branches of Ribeirinha ancestors stuck in the various decades of the 1600s, a total of 7 currently identified as from there in the 1500s and 1600s.So you have some exciting facts to discover.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
From: Anthony Martin anthonyamarti...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 10:23 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Doug,You are correct in that I'm searching for my wife's ancestors, but I'm still not sure if I'm looking at the correct people. :)I only received a couple dozen names and the earliest date I've confirmed so far is 11/21/1860 for an Aniceto Luiz Parreira.Interesting information you provided! My wife's family has a similar situation. Her grandparents Jose Luiz Parreira Married his cousin Dolores Castro Jaques. They were cousins through each of their mothers whom were sisters; Francisca Rosa Cardosa Jaques and Maria Rosa Jaques.  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

2014-10-03 Thread Hermano C. Pires
I recomend caution with this surname because there are many Galantes from 
Lagoa, S. Miguel who have used as a surname for a few generations.
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 22:55:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, 
Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?
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Sounds like an alcunha to me.  Galante means elegant, graceful, chivalrous.
Nancy

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.com

Joao Louiz Parreira Galante located at: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P18.html.
 Same situation. would 'Galante' be an alcunha, or a surname?





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

2014-10-03 Thread hisalv via Azores Genealogy

Nancy
I don't know if he has any Sao Miguel ancestors.  I have never research that 
island for any.  As for Joe's,  Salvador da Rocha, their GGrand parents were 
from Piedade, Pico.  The name was Domingos Vieira and Maria Pereira.  Records 
don't go back far enough to find anything about them.
Helen S.
Fremont, CA
 
 
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Doug, is Salvador Machado da Rocha a descendant of Pedro Esteves Rocha e 
Machado (or da Rocha Machado--I've seen it both ways) who was born in Viana do 
Castelo and came to Sao Miguel by way of Madeira after committing a murder in 
Portugal.  He was given land in Agua d'Alto, fertile land between two volcanos, 
and he became very wealthy.  He is my 15th great-grandfather.  I descend from 
his son Afonso Anes da Rocha Machado, and I know I read somewhere, probably in 
Saudades da Terra, that his other children went to other islands and were 
fruitful and multiplied.  At least one son went to Terceira.


Helen, I have a Family Finder match with Joseph Antone Salvador at the 5th to 
remote cousin level.  This could be the link.  I note that he has Bonito and 
Couto on his list of surnames.  Bonito is the alcunha of my Couto family.  Does 
Joseph have any links to Sao Miguel?


I have to get back to Gaspar Frutuoso and see what I can figure out.  My 
reading knowledge of Portuguese is good enough for vital records and menus, but 
Saudades da Terra is slow going.


Nancy





On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:22 PM,  p...@dholmes.com wrote:


Helen and Anthony,


And there's more.


Francisca married to her 2nd cousin, once removed and their common ancestors 
are Salvador Machado da Rocha, whose first name is the origin for your 
husband's surname! So not only is Francisca your cousin, but so is her husband. 
:-)


One more thing I noticed at a glance. Anthony is related to another list 
member, Doreen Caetano Jungk by some common Canto ancestors from around the 
1800 time frame. And I'm related to Doreen and to your husband.


One could get dizzy from all that.


Actually, I believe Anthony said these are his wife's ancestors.



Doug da Rocha Holmes
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
From: hisalv via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 4:23 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

 
 
  
Antonio, After the name after Jose da Rocha Machado is Salvador, his wife is 
Maria da Esperanca. They are my husband's Great Grandparents.
 
 
 
Helen Salvador
 
Fremont, CA
 
 
 
 
 
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 From: Anthony Martin anthonyamarti...@gmail.com
 To: azores azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 11:40 am
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
 
 
 
On the bottom right of record 24 on page 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P9.html
 shows the name Jose de Rocha, but I can't make out what it says immediately 
after the name. Also, entry number 2 in the margin appears to read that she 
died on 11/20/1960, but I can't quite make out the month. On the following page 
it shows that something happened on 06-25-1982, but I can't read the writing to 
make out what it says. I think it says that the birth record was requested on 
that date, but I'm not exactly sure. 

 
 
Would someone be able to help with these records? 
 






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[AZORES-Genealogy] Revamped Family Trees (again) at FTDNA

2014-10-03 Thread Cheri Mello
Well, at least they are listening!

Today, an upgrade was made to Family Tree (now called myFamilyTree) at
FTDNA.

There's a detail view which gets rid of the picture and shows birth and
death info (still gotta convince them we need the marriage info).  If you
change the setting to Ancestry view (direct blood line), you can get 15
generations (still can't run along the end of the line like we used to).
I'm having problems getting mine that far out (script errors).

A search box was added.  Not only can you search by names, but you can
SEARCH BY LOCATION (or partial location)!  Yipee!!!

They must have taken my sarcasm to heart.  I told them that they better
show up to the DNA conference in their Halloween costumes which should be
suits of armor because all the project admins were coming armed with rotten
tomatoes!  :)

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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family Search

2014-10-03 Thread Cheri Mello
Dick Eastman gets the updates from Family Search.  The other day, Family
Search uploaded more records.  Montana, Ohio, Philippines, etc.  Then it
listed Portugal and said Priest Applications!  But for Braga.  I looked
anyways, and I found a priest from Flores.  Not too sure what it all says,
but maybe one of you can figure it out.

http://goo.gl/SPUQxy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

2014-10-03 Thread Anthony Martin
Seems like it to me also, but I'm wouldn't bet on it. I believe I'm looking 
at the correct person, but I'm going to have to do more research.

On Thursday, October 2, 2014 7:55:55 PM UTC-7, NancyC wrote:

 Sounds like an alcunha to me.  Galante means elegant, graceful, chivalrous.

 Nancy


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 Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.com

 Joao Louiz Parreira Galante located at: 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P18.html.
  
 Same situation. would 'Galante' be an alcunha, or a surname?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

2014-10-03 Thread Anthony Martin
Thanks for the suggestion. I've run across a few names that are similar, 
but I haven't found anything definitive yet. I'll keep my eyes open for 
anything else that may make the link.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:34:32 AM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

 I recomend caution with this surname because there are many Galantes from 
 Lagoa, S. Miguel who have used as a surname for a few generations.
 Hermano

  
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 Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?
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 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 Sounds like an alcunha to me.  Galante means elegant, graceful, chivalrous.

 Nancy


 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.com

 Joao Louiz Parreira Galante located at: 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P18.html.
  
 Same situation. would 'Galante' be an alcunha, or a surname?


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish cemetery in Faial

2014-10-03 Thread Elizabeth Migliori
I'm not sure who to address this to.  I was cleaning out my emails and re
read this one about peoples from Morocco settling in Fayal.
I'd like to get more info on this as my DNA showed the highest % came from
Morocco.  I was a bit shocked with that.  But now after reading this I
guess it's possible.  Can you guide me on follow up?
Liz

On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Manuel Martins kambb...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is in a corner of the Horta cemetery.  These are jewish families that
 came to Faial from Morocco, part of the Bensaude family.

 On Thursday, July 17, 2014 4:37:24 AM UTC-4, Shirl Sereque wrote:

 Noelia - The Jewish Cemetery is in Horta  (La cidade da Horta) and was
 built in 1852.  That's as close as I can get to an address!
 - Shirl -


   On Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:47 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Repost for Olivia or Lolly or Noelia, nlollyanne123 at gmail.com

 Could anyone tell me where exactly the jewish cemetery is in Faial. I am
 from there and frequent my hometown of Praia do Norte. I am very curious
 about this cemetery and would love to find it.

 Thank you for your help

 Noelia D' Andrade
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family Search

2014-10-03 Thread pico
Damn, they never revealed the identity of the pai incognito.The mother probably followed him to Braga from Flores.What happened in Fajazinha stays in FajaznihaDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family
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From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, October 03, 2014 7:25 pm
To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com

Dick Eastman gets the updates from Family Search. The other day, Family Search uploaded more records. Montana, Ohio, Philippines, etc. Then it listed Portugal and said Priest Applications! But for Braga. I looked anyways, and I found a priest from Flores. Not too sure what it all says, but maybe one of you can figure it out.http://goo.gl/SPUQxy  





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