Hi Robin Some years back I remember asking a Bertao a question. I'm not sure if he is the same one. My cousin Mike Cordinez was also working with a Bertao, I wish I could remember his first name. Is he the one who wrote a book?
Yes Manoel the son of Jose da Rocha and Maria da Borba Vieira is my husband Joe's G+grandfather. He is the brother of your anacestor Jose da Rocha da Borba. Which one is David's ancestor? Well since the baby Jose is your GGgrandfather I think we filled in all the blanks. I'm also going to put them in my computer. Helen From: Besotes <beso...@succeed.net> To: Helen Vierra Salvador <his...@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 11:49 am Subject: Re: da Rocha da Borba Hello! Yes, I got it! Thank you!!! Do you know this David Bertao? Ok, here's to answer your questions below. Yes, Jose (the baby) married Ana Furtado Jorge do Souto of Salao, Faial Azores and they had 12 children. Jose immigrated to Milpitas - how and why I don't know. But, with your Manual Borba maybe being here before or other family of Borba's being her that could be why he came to Milpitas. Anyhow, he and Ana married in Half Moon Bay and I show no record of the two of them living there but I do have a copy of their marriage certificate proving they were married there. They then settled in San Jose until they died. A cousin who lives in Texas has a photo of them, so I went to the former Portuguese faternal organization in San Jose and saw where he signed to be a member and they had a photograph with their officers and there he was. It was only because I had seen the photo that I sent you that I knew who he was. A very short man standing on the upper steps. Now, I know why most of us are under 5'5. (haha). I also found he was a founding member of the Portuguese faternal organization in Milpitas which ended up merging with San Jose and no longer exists. Of all their children I have most of their information. One was married several times, so I'm not sure if I have all his wives. Another lost a child around 8 yrs old to a disease, but I've yet to find where the child is buried. One as suppose to be to have played in old western movies as a cowboy, but have yet to find or prove that yet. I see what you mean with the head spinning. With all the names, etc. over and over again it's confusing. I emailed this David Bertao online last week and received a reply from him. I think we also have a connection to him. I'll forward you what I've received from him. He said if the Jose (baby) is my ancestor, he would be the grandson of Jozeph da Rocha and Maria de Borba, fromwhom comes the family surname of "da Rocha de Borba". Their son, Manuel was my (his) ancestor. Would this be your husbands Manuel? I'm going to input some of this into my computer and see if it makes sense. I need to email David, so let me know if you know him or have been in contact with him. I'm not sure where he's from yet. He does have information going back to the early 1600's too that may help us all.....let's hope it's all the same, which I think it is. I am surprised it appears they always stayed in Sao Bartolomeu. I'm off to send this to you so you can see what you make of this. :) Let's talk soon. Robin :) Hi Robin, Jut a quick not to tell you what I found. First of all the Jose da Rocha married to Custodia Candida was not dead at the time of the birth of his son Jose in born 2/10/1850. He had at least 3 children after that. Maria b. Feb. 4, 1851 Maria b. Feb. 6, 1853 Gertrudes b. June 13, 1855. I stopped at this point. Will continue later. Second I found the marriage record for Jose da Rocha Borba and Mariana Josefa. They were married Dec. 28, 1760. He is the son of Joise da Rocha da Borba and Agada do Espirto Santo, So that closed the gap I think. Do you have a marriage date for Jose da Rocha Borba and Anna Furtado Jorge do Souto So far I have it this way. Gen. 1 Bras Gil Gen 2 Joseph da Rocha and Maria da Borba Vieira M. Jan. 29, 1679 Gen 3 Joseph da Rocha da Borba and Agueda Espirto Santo m Nov. 1. 1716 Gen 4 Jose da Rocha da Borba and Marianna Josefa m. 1760 Gen 5 Francisco da Rocha da Borba and Ana Theodoro m. Dec. 8, 1813 Gen 6 Jose da Rocha da Borba and Custodia Candida m. Mar. 21, 1849 Gen 7 Jose (this is the baby) b. in 1850 I don't know who he is married to. but it could be your Ana Furtado Jorge or maybe there is someone between Jose the baby and Jose and Ana Furtado. Gen 8 Antonio Rocha Borba and Mary Matos Gen 9 Lawrence Borba I'm not sure about the last 3 generations. Did Jose da Rocha and Ana Furtado have their children in the U.S or the Azores? You probably have all that information for the last 3 generations.. As for the the the witness at the birth of Jose in 1850, I found one Matilde. She is the daughter of a Jose da Rocha da Borba (figures) and Perpetua Theodoro. This Jose is the brother of Your Francisco da Rocha da Borba and Ana Theodoro. I found 6 children for this Jose. but I haven't found a Joao. There was also a marriage record for a Matilda Theodora The above 's daughter, but Matilde Candida was the name of the witness. An so it goes. Robin read this over carefully and let know what you think. My head is spinning from all thes da Borba's. Hi Robin, Jut a quick not to tell you what I found. First of all the Jose da Rocha married to Custodia Candida was not dead at the time of the birth of his son Jose in born 2/10/1850. He had at least 3 children after that. Maria b. Feb. 4, 1851 Maria b. Feb. 6, 1853 Gertrudes b. June 13, 1855. I stopped at this point. Will continue later. Second I found the marriage record for Jose da Rocha Borba and Mariana Josefa. They were married Dec. 28, 1760. He is the son of Joise da Rocha da Borba and Agada do Espirto Santo, So that closed the gap I think. Do you have a marriage date for Jose da Rocha Borba and Anna Furtado Jorge do Souto So far I have it this way. Gen. 1 Bras Gil Gen 2 Joseph da Rocha and Maria da Borba Vieira M. Jan. 29, 1679 Gen 3 Joseph da Rocha da Borba and Agueda Espirto Santo m Nov. 1. 1716 Gen 4 Jose da Rocha da Borba and Marianna Josefa m. 1760 Gen 5 Francisco da Rocha da Borba and Ana Theodoro m. Dec. 8, 1813 Gen 6 Jose da Rocha da Borba and Custodia Candida m. Mar. 21, 1849 Gen 7 Jose (this is the baby) b. in 1850 I don't know who he is married to. but it could be your Ana Furtado Jorge or maybe there is someone between Jose the baby and Jose and Ana Furtado. Gen 8 Antonio Rocha Borba and Mary Matos Gen 9 Lawrence Borba I'm not sure about the last 3 generations. Did Jose da Rocha and Ana Furtado have their children in the U.S or the Azores? You probably have all that information for the last 3 generations.. As for the the the witness at the birth of Jose in 1850, I found one Matilde. She is the daughter of a Jose da Rocha da Borba (figures) and Perpetua Theodoro. This Jose is the brother of Your Francisco da Rocha da Borba and Ana Theodoro. I found 6 children for this Jose. but I haven't found a Joao. There was also a marriage record for a Matilda Theodora The above 's daughter, but Matilde Candida was the name of the witness. An so it goes. Robin read this over carefully and let know what you think. My head is spinning from all thes da Borba's. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
