Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

2018-02-19 Thread bsei2816 
That certainly makes a lot more sense.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

2018-02-19 Thread Cheri Mello 
OK, the priest ran "no ventre" together. I learned a new word today -
ventre for womb. Margaret, thanks for all your help!

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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> He says: gemea de outro que morreu no ventre.
> Twin of another (boy) who died in the womb (ventre).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I don't think he's saying the process started on the 9th and ended on the
> 10th. It's the grammar and structure of the sentence. Something just
> doesn't sit right and I don't know enough Portuguese grammar to say. And I
> don't know what "noventre" is or what he's trying to spell there. That
> "aos" on the next line though - if it was on the 9th and 10th, I think the
> sentence would have read "aos nove e dez de Feveiro de mil.." We
> definitely need a native speaker here!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 4:23 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Yea I think it's like Cheri said ...born together with the other that
>> died... and I see no mention of another baptism or obito, but then I'm not
>> sure what the process would be.
>>
>> As far as "noventre",  my guess is that it says "...nove entre dez de
>> Fevereiro de mil oito cento e cincoenta." LIke the process started on the
>> 9th and ended on the 10th and he didn't attribute it to any day
>> specifically.  Just my guess.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

2018-02-19 Thread Margaret Vicente 
He says: gemea de outro que morreu no ventre.  
Twin of another (boy) who died in the womb (ventre).

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I don't think he's saying the process started on the 9th and ended on the 
> 10th. It's the grammar and structure of the sentence. Something just doesn't 
> sit right and I don't know enough Portuguese grammar to say. And I don't know 
> what "noventre" is or what he's trying to spell there. That "aos" on the next 
> line though - if it was on the 9th and 10th, I think the sentence would have 
> read "aos nove e dez de Feveiro de mil.." We definitely need a native 
> speaker here!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 4:23 PM,  wrote:
>> Yea I think it's like Cheri said ...born together with the other that 
>> died... and I see no mention of another baptism or obito, but then I'm not 
>> sure what the process would be.
>> 
>> As far as "noventre",  my guess is that it says "...nove entre dez de 
>> Fevereiro de mil oito cento e cincoenta." LIke the process started on the 
>> 9th and ended on the 10th and he didn't attribute it to any day 
>> specifically.  Just my guess.
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

2018-02-19 Thread Cheri Mello 
Bill,

I don't think he's saying the process started on the 9th and ended on the
10th. It's the grammar and structure of the sentence. Something just
doesn't sit right and I don't know enough Portuguese grammar to say. And I
don't know what "noventre" is or what he's trying to spell there. That
"aos" on the next line though - if it was on the 9th and 10th, I think the
sentence would have read "aos nove e dez de Feveiro de mil.." We
definitely need a native speaker here!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 4:23 PM,  wrote:

> Yea I think it's like Cheri said ...born together with the other that
> died... and I see no mention of another baptism or obito, but then I'm not
> sure what the process would be.
>
> As far as "noventre",  my guess is that it says "...nove entre dez de
> Fevereiro de mil oito cento e cincoenta." LIke the process started on the
> 9th and ended on the 10th and he didn't attribute it to any day
> specifically.  Just my guess.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

2018-02-19 Thread bsei2816 
Yea I think it's like Cheri said ...born together with the other that 
died... and I see no mention of another baptism or obito, but then I'm not 
sure what the process would be.

As far as "noventre",  my guess is that it says "...nove entre dez de 
Fevereiro de mil oito cento e cincoenta." LIke the process started on the 
9th and ended on the 10th and he didn't attribute it to any day 
specifically.  Just my guess.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mariana Pimentel b 1850 Lomba, Flores - need help with translation

2018-02-19 Thread Cheri Mello 
Yeah, the word(s) after nasceu is junta-something. Juntamente? The junta-
type words mean together. I believe the sentence reads "born together with
another that died." I don't know what that "noventre" word is at the end of
the line. It may be something like stillborn. Someone else will need to get
that word.

I would guess that the twin was a stillborn. I don't think the baptized
stillborn babies.  Cheri

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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:

> The record is #4, 2nd from the bottom of the right hand page.
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P22.html
>
>
>
> I need a little help with the part about her and her twin being born,
> starting with "nasceo..." on line 4.  I get it that she is a twin, and I
> believe her twin was born and died the same day, perhaps stillborn or
> didn't survive?  However, I don't see a birth/baptismo for the twin, so am
> not sure if it was a boy or girl, or if the baptism record for him/her even
> exists.  Would they  have baptized a stillborn child?
>
>
> Thank you friends,
>
> Mary
>
>
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