Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2016-09-22 Thread Sandra Perez
That's funny because my brain wasn't so hot today either!

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:22 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sandra,
>
>
> I'm sorry...that was meant for someone elsemy brain was worn out!
>
>
> Nancy Jean
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> Sandra Perez <perezsandra...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:24:24 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
>
> Nancy,
>
> Do you have the right Sandra?  I am Sandra Perez.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>>
>> I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your
>> tree, I have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old
>> emails with you I noticed this info about your maternal grandmother,
>> Carolina Alves Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant
>> list of the line we match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola
>> born May 3, 1883 in Lages. Is she connected to you?
>>
>>
>> Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and
>> she must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana
>> Luisa Medeiros. All of Lages.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>> ----------
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
>> Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM
>> *To:* azores
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
>>
>> My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola.  I do
>> not know if this is from her father or mother.  Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico
>> island.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anthony M,
>>>
>>> Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the
>>> de/da/do/d' stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2016-09-22 Thread nancy jean baptiste
Hi Sandra,


I'm sorry...that was meant for someone elsemy brain was worn out!


Nancy Jean


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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:24:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

Nancy,

Do you have the right Sandra?  I am Sandra Perez.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, nancy jean baptiste 
<fishsongf...@hotmail.com<mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Sandra,


I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your tree, I 
have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old emails with you I 
noticed this info about your maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves 
Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant list of the line we 
match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola born May 3, 1883 in Lages. 
Is she connected to you?


Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and she 
must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana Luisa 
Medeiros. All of Lages.


Kind regards,

Nancy Jean


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<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Sandra 
Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com<mailto:acore...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola.  I do not know 
if this is from her father or mother.  Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico island.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello 
<gfsche...@gmail.com<mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Anthony M,

Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d' 
stuff.


Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2016-09-22 Thread Sandra Perez
Nancy,

Do you have the right Sandra?  I am Sandra Perez.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sandra,
>
>
> I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your
> tree, I have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old
> emails with you I noticed this info about your maternal grandmother,
> Carolina Alves Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant
> list of the line we match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola
> born May 3, 1883 in Lages. Is she connected to you?
>
>
> Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and
> she must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana
> Luisa Medeiros. All of Lages.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
> Sandra Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
>
> My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola.  I do not
> know if this is from her father or mother.  Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico
> island.
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anthony M,
>>
>> Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the
>> de/da/do/d' stuff.
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2016-09-22 Thread nancy jean baptiste
Hi Sandra,


I've been looking in FTDNA at our match and although I didn't see your tree, I 
have figured out the line that we match on. In looking at old emails with you I 
noticed this info about your maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves 
Vieiraalcunha, Charola. While looking at the descendant list of the line we 
match on I came across the name Inacia Jesus Charola born May 3, 1883 in Lages. 
Is she connected to you?


Also is Elsie Valim on your maternal line? I have an x match with her and she 
must connect to my ggrandmother, Rosa Luisa Garcia via her mother, Ana Luisa 
Medeiros. All of Lages.


Kind regards,

Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Sandra 
Valine Dauer <acore...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36:54 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola.  I do not know 
if this is from her father or mother.  Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico island.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello 
<gfsche...@gmail.com<mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Anthony M,

Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d' 
stuff.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-21 Thread Anthony Martin
From what I know, they are from Ribeirinhas.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:56:26 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

 Anthony
 What vilage are your Parreiras from?
 Hermano

  
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

 Nancy,

 Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who 
 knows could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers 
 from Sao Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 
 100-150 years later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the 
 strangest alcunhas that I have heard is Bolor which means mold.

 Antonio



 On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:

 I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming 
 practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question.

 My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common 
 for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio 
 Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where 
 to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 
 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'.

 Does anyone have an explanation for this?


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-21 Thread Hermano C. Pires
Most of mine are from Lagoa, S. Miguel.
I do have some from Terceira which includes a Jose Goncalves Parreira who was 
born in Ribeirinhas abt. 1759 and married a Francisca Candida de Menese 
(Menezes) Vieira 15 sep 1821 in Conceicao, Angra, Terceira.
 
 
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:39:34 -0700
From: anthonyamarti...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

From what I know, they are from Ribeirinhas.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:56:26 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:


Anthony
What vilage are your Parreiras from?
Hermano

 
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700
From: antoni...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

Nancy,

Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows 
could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao 
Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years 
later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas 
that I have heard is Bolor which means mold.

Antonio



On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:I've 
been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I 
haven't found anything related to this question.
My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for 
families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio 
Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to 
be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 
'Ilhars'.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-21 Thread Mary MK
I have Pingao in my line: Medeiros Pingao. They used Pingao on the ship 
passenger list from Sao Miguel to Hawaii, but they dropped it when they 
moved to California and just used Medeiros.

Mary Kent


On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:20:01 PM UTC-4, NancyC wrote:

 Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito 
 for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists. 
  I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was 
 lucky.  My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has 
 the alcunha Malassada.  

 Another branch of my family was called Pingao.  I'm remembering this from 
 many, many years ago.  I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary 
 suggests that it means a very large drop.  I suppose a squash resembles a 
 very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao?

 Nancy


 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I have Viola as an alcunha.  Family stories differ slightly.  He either 
 made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it.  Or who knows, maybe 
 both!  

 My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his 
 death record it appears.  His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back 
 and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha.

 One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 
 3rd cousin's home in Vila Franca!

 George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an 
 client.  Por Examplo was the alcunha.  And it went on for something like 
 3 generations!  You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha.  He 
 wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so por examplo and he 
 would probably explain in great detail!  LOL

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-21 Thread Cheri Mello
Anthony M,

Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d'
stuff.


Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-21 Thread Sandra Valine Dauer
My maternal grandmother, Carolina Alves Vieira, alcunha Charola.  I do not
know if this is from her father or mother.  Lived Lajes do Pico, Pico
island.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anthony M,

 Yes, search for the surname, the alcunha, with and without the de/da/do/d'
 stuff.


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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread Kirsten
I wonder if this explains my Lindinha which I am told is not a proper 
name.my. Great Great Grandmother was Lucinda Augusta Moniz, but per her 
death cert. her father was Mr. Lindinha. Has anyone heard of this as a nickname?
Kirsten

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread John Vasconcelos
Eric,
Adding to what you said about the Canhoto alcunha on Flores, I once helped
a fellow (now deceased) with a Canhoto in his family tree. He was born in
the US and I helped him research his Flores family tree. Somehow he didn't
quite get it because he always said that among other families, he was
researching the Canhoto family from Flores.
John Vasconcelos

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:31 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been working on a Pimentel family from Flores. For a few generations
 the were Pimentel Belo. Belo = beautiful.

 Then the next generation is Pimentel Canhoto. Canhoto means left-handed,
 but also, like the French word gauche, also clumsy, coarse, awkward.


 Eric Edgar

 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:37 PM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Anthony,

 I can't speak for every place in the Azores but I can speak to you about
 the use of alcunhas in Lajes do Pico. My father frequently talks about
 people from the old country he lived there until his early 30's and
 usually  refers  them by their alcunha seldom by their surname most
 families were known by an alcunha and they were usually passed down along
 the paternal line just like a surname in the United States, surnames
 however were inconsistently passed down. Surnames are even today seldom
 used in everyday conversation I suspect due to so many people sharing
 common surnames.

  If you walked into a village and asked for Manuel Cardoso most people
 wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about even though that may be
 that person's official surname, But if you asked for Manuel Melao(Melon) or
 Manuel Pombo(Pigeon) someone would figure out who you were talking about.
 Interestingly those are actual alcunhas for two different Cardoso lines.

 I've looked at the information from the  Rol dos Confesados for 1883(This
 information was collected by the parish priest and documents all those of
 age to confess by household) and found some interesting alcunhas for some
 of mine and my wife's line's. Some I am able to translate,  two are also
 used as surnames by some families Bonito(Handsome) and Craveiro others I
 found are Touro(Bull), Toucinho(bacon), Caipiras(Countrified, the American
 version I think would be Redneck), Zarigo, Burrinha(Donkey), Carocha(Bug),
 Zidro, Pe de Galinha(Chicken Foot, very interesting!)

 I have also noticed that some of my lines didn't have alcunhas recorded
 for some reason especially the one's that owned more property.

 I'm curious if anyone else would care to share their families alcunhas.

 Antonio


 On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:

 I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming
 practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question.

 My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common
 for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio
 Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where
 to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be
 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'.

 Does anyone have an explanation for this?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
…  FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name!

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Nancy 
Couto
Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 03:20
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

 

Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito for 
an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists.  I've 
seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was lucky.  My 
maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has the alcunha 
Malassada.  

 

Another branch of my family was called Pingao.  I'm remembering this from many, 
many years ago.  I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary suggests 
that it means a very large drop.  I suppose a squash resembles a very large 
drop. Have you ever come across Pingao?

 

Nancy

 

 

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I have Viola as an alcunha.  Family stories differ slightly.  He either made 
the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it.  Or who knows, maybe both!  

My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his death 
record it appears.  His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back and forth 
between the Azores and America and used the alcunha.

One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 3rd 
cousin's home in Vila Franca!

George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an client.  
Por Examplo was the alcunha.  And it went on for something like 3 
generations!  You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha.  He wanted 
to be sure his explanations were clear...so por examplo and he would probably 
explain in great detail!  LOL


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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
It is most certain that Lindinha is a nickname.

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De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Kirsten
Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 06:19
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

I wonder if this explains my Lindinha which I am told is not a proper 
name.my. Great Great Grandmother was Lucinda Augusta Moniz, but per her 
death cert. her father was Mr. Lindinha. Has anyone heard of this as a nickname?
Kirsten

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Most likely Maria dos SERAFINS is a religious name. SERAFIM is some kind of an 
angel (SERAFINS, QUERUBINS, ANGELS). 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de A Faria
Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 15:16
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

 

Doug,

I can see how you got a blank look considering how common those surnames are 
sounds like you had a great time. My wife has an ancestor from Ribeiras named 
Maria dos Serafins born about 1740 that moved to Lajes and married a Jose 
Antonio.

Antonio

On Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

Antonio,

 

We have cebola branca (white onion) referring to their head of hair from 
Angra.

 

I found it interesting what you wrote about the Lajes do Pico families.

 

On my first trip to find cousins in Piedade, Pico, I asked around for anyone 
using the Leal da Rosa surname combo and got that blank look from just about 
everyone. But one person thought there was a person he knew with that surname, 
but called Jose Serafim. He was right because first of all, Serafim is not that 
common so is a great choice to use as alcunha, and second it comes from his 
grandfather named Serafim Leal da Rosa. So I found him and many relatives. 
Showed me their wine-making, ate the fish they just caught for dinner. Great 
time.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico  Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread pico
Yes, I also have this name - Feio.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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… FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name!  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread A Faria
If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is 
a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face)  Carauta then 
became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares.



On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:14:40 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
wrote:

 Yes, I also have this name - Feio.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


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 …  FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name!
   
  


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread pico
Yes, Antonio. I heard the same thing from the late historian James Guill.He told me that his name was Jordao Alvares Carauta and in fact, there are several people we can find in the existing Pico records that used that name.I don't know without looking whether your wife has those ancestors (found in Ribeiras), but I recently noticed some people are descendants from people using this name. The reason it sticks in my mind is that I think someone has him on the direct paternal line and for me that is extremely interesting.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:26 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face) Carauta then became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares. 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread A Faria
Yes Doug,  my wife is descended from the Carautas of Ribeiras. Jordao 
Alvares Carauta was the second settler on the island and settled in 
Ribeiras.



On Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:01:39 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
wrote:

 Yes, Antonio. I heard the same thing from the late historian James Guill.
 He told me that his name was Jordao Alvares Carauta and in fact, there are 
 several people we can find in the existing Pico records that used that name.

 I don't know without looking whether your wife has those ancestors (found 
 in Ribeiras), but I recently noticed some people are descendants from 
 people using this name. The reason it sticks in my mind is that I think 
 someone has him on the direct paternal line and for me that is extremely 
 interesting.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
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 Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:26 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is 
 a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face)  Carauta then 
 became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares.
  
  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread danandmaria
There are some Lindinhas in Lagoa, Sao Miguel 


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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:56:04 PM 
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It is most certain that Lindinha is a nickname. 

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Enviada: sábado, 20 de Setembro de 2014 06:19 
Para: azores@googlegroups.com 
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames 

I wonder if this explains my Lindinha which I am told is not a proper 
name.my. Great Great Grandmother was Lucinda Augusta Moniz, but per her 
death cert. her father was Mr. Lindinha. Has anyone heard of this as a 
nickname? 
Kirsten 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread Hermano C. Pires
Anthony
What vilage are your Parreiras from?
Hermano
 
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700
From: antoniof1...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

Nancy,

Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows 
could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao 
Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years 
later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas 
that I have heard is Bolor which means mold.

Antonio



On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:I've 
been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I 
haven't found anything related to this question.
My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for 
families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio 
Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to 
be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 
'Ilhars'.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-20 Thread pico
Researching in Terceira just now and was reminded of your Canhoto nickname.I have 8 people using that as a surname, most from Terceira and ranging from the 1500s to 1800s.There are Fernandes Canhoto, Gomes Canhoto, Cardoso Canhoto, Machado Canhoto and Vieira Canhoto.I'm sure you know, but some might not realize that a great many surnames today started as a nickname.Even Furtado, for instance.To an English speaker, it's often funny to translate surnames. It's not Portuguese, but just tonight we were having salad with bacon bits and my in-laws from Slovakia were saying the word "slanin" and so I asked my son if he knew what that means and he says "bacon." So then I asked does he realize he has ancestors named Slanin? And he just laughed, but it's true. That was my wife's late grandmother's maiden name.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:21 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

John,I knew an old fellow in Almagreira, Lajes do Pico with the alcunha of Canhoto everyone referred to him by that behind his back but they never dared saying it to his face he would throw a fit! For some reason certain alcunha's only apply to certain people but others are passed on because his son and grandson aren't known by Canhoto. 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-19 Thread luiznoia .
I've been working on a Pimentel family from Flores. For a few generations
the were Pimentel Belo. Belo = beautiful.

Then the next generation is Pimentel Canhoto. Canhoto means left-handed,
but also, like the French word gauche, also clumsy, coarse, awkward.


Eric Edgar

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:37 PM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Anthony,

 I can't speak for every place in the Azores but I can speak to you about
 the use of alcunhas in Lajes do Pico. My father frequently talks about
 people from the old country he lived there until his early 30's and
 usually  refers  them by their alcunha seldom by their surname most
 families were known by an alcunha and they were usually passed down along
 the paternal line just like a surname in the United States, surnames
 however were inconsistently passed down. Surnames are even today seldom
 used in everyday conversation I suspect due to so many people sharing
 common surnames.

  If you walked into a village and asked for Manuel Cardoso most people
 wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about even though that may be
 that person's official surname, But if you asked for Manuel Melao(Melon) or
 Manuel Pombo(Pigeon) someone would figure out who you were talking about.
 Interestingly those are actual alcunhas for two different Cardoso lines.

 I've looked at the information from the  Rol dos Confesados for 1883(This
 information was collected by the parish priest and documents all those of
 age to confess by household) and found some interesting alcunhas for some
 of mine and my wife's line's. Some I am able to translate,  two are also
 used as surnames by some families Bonito(Handsome) and Craveiro others I
 found are Touro(Bull), Toucinho(bacon), Caipiras(Countrified, the American
 version I think would be Redneck), Zarigo, Burrinha(Donkey), Carocha(Bug),
 Zidro, Pe de Galinha(Chicken Foot, very interesting!)

 I have also noticed that some of my lines didn't have alcunhas recorded
 for some reason especially the one's that owned more property.

 I'm curious if anyone else would care to share their families alcunhas.

 Antonio


 On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:

 I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming
 practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question.

 My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common
 for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio
 Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where
 to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be
 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'.

 Does anyone have an explanation for this?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-19 Thread Nancy Couto
Antonio, my Couto line, from Arrifes and Sao Roque, Sao Miguel, has Bonito
for an alcunha, and I've seen it in church records and on passenger lists.
 I've seen other families with the alcunha Feio, so I guess my family was
lucky.  My maternal grandmother's Frias family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel, has
the alcunha Malassada.

Another branch of my family was called Pingao.  I'm remembering this from
many, many years ago.  I was told the word meant squash, but my dictionary
suggests that it means a very large drop.  I suppose a squash resembles a
very large drop. Have you ever come across Pingao?

Nancy


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have Viola as an alcunha.  Family stories differ slightly.  He either
 made the 6 string guitar (viola) or he played it.  Or who knows, maybe
 both!

 My ancestors are generally NOT recorded with the alcunha. Only on his
 death record it appears.  His daughter, not my direct ancestor, went back
 and forth between the Azores and America and used the alcunha.

 One of the violas that my direct ancestor made hangs on the wall of my 3rd
 cousin's home in Vila Franca!

 George Pacheco found an amusing alcunha while doing research for an
 client.  Por Examplo was the alcunha.  And it went on for something like
 3 generations!  You can imagine the man who originated that alcunha.  He
 wanted to be sure his explanations were clear...so por examplo and he
 would probably explain in great detail!  LOL

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

2014-09-19 Thread pico
Antonio,We have "cebola branca" (white onion) referring to their head of hair from Angra.I found it interesting what you wrote about the Lajes do Pico families.On my first trip to find cousins in Piedade, Pico, I asked around for anyone using the "Leal da Rosa" surname combo and got that blank look from just about everyone. But one person thought there was a person he knew with that surname, but called Jose Serafim. He was right because first of all, Serafim is not that common so is a great choice to use as alcunha, and second it comes from his grandfather named Serafim Leal da Rosa. So I found him and many relatives. Showed me their wine-making, ate the fish they just caught for dinner. Great time.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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