RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
I'm shocked no ones mentioned the new backstage schwag!!! We also have some very nice banners - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2006/12/inspire.html Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Lee Goddard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester I'm shocked no ones mentioned the new backstage schwag!!! You disabled comments on the page :( - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Gareth Rodger
So.. umm.. any going to waste after the christmas bash? Regards, Gareth Rodger W: http://www.garethrodger.com E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5 Dec 2006, at 15:25, Lee Goddard wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester I'm shocked no ones mentioned the

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for some reason Flash brings the zealots out in force. ;-) I'm not sure why you are calling me a 'zealot'. Did I say something unreasonable? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread David Shaw
Can I have a doggy bag too? Preferably wrapped in a backstage T-Shirt :o) David Shaw Managing Editor Scottish Enterprise WebTeam Information Services Tel: +44 (0)141 228 2979 Fax: +44 (0)141 228 2511 Mobile: 0773 3301219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Richard Lockwood
No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. And it wasn't just aimed at you Dave. It happened a few months ago - someone suggests Flash as a powerful and (used properly) useful tool, and the list suddenly fills with vitriolic posts about how evil it is and how all software should be free and

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Martin Belam
I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same The horror! The horror! reaction to the notion of using

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Neil Roberts
There is hope http://osflash.org/ http://www.contentmanager.net/magazine/news_h20882_adobe_and_mozilla_foundation_to_open_source.html On 12/5/06, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. And it wasn't just aimed at you Dave. It happened a few

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old fashioned. Flash has moved on quite a lot and there are real problems still with it but its got a lot better. I still won't use it on my own sites unless its

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Neil Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is hope http://osflash.org/ This is very, very interesting. Because Flash blurs the distinctionbetween code and data, I wonder if it is inconsisent to object toproprietary Flash player software, yet accept proprietary Flash'content'

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same The

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old fashioned. Flash has moved on quite a lot and there are real problems still with it but its got a lot better. I still won't use it on my own sites unless

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old fashioned. The professional is the man who stays put - The Medium is the Massage, McLuhan, 1969 ;p Flash

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
Flashblock is your friend on Firefox - http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Dicken Sent: 05 December 2006 17:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE:

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Gareth Rodger
Ian, I was just writing the exact same response! Apollo looks to take Director's place as a RAD tool. Flex is what they are pushing for enterprise RIA's (Possibly succeeding the Flash Communication Server). 'Flash' on the web as I see it is for certain media's where other solutions

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Neil Roberts
Aral Balkan is a vey talented guy, if anyone can convince you that flash can be used for good its him Also there is a guy called Niklas Richardson you is exceptionally knowledgable about Flex which is the XML base development product that is much more tailored to developers that designers.

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear to god if I have to zap that damned mosquito one more time to make my PC stop making stupid insect noises... https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/433/ -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Forrester
Interesting I think this is one of the problems with the Free Software movement. any tool that is not free-as-in-freedom is unethical This must have got quite a few people backs up? I'm not saying its wrong, just in the language you can see why people object without even understanding the

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Richard Lockwood
No. Not unreasonable. Patronising, possibly. Okay. Could you point to which paragraph my tone was off? Mm - the first line. Have you heard of Free Software? I expect you have heard of OpenSource software. Maybe it's just me but it came across as someone explaining the concept on CBeebies.

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Adrian Lansdown
The videos are ace, Are they going to be a new monthly offering? The schwag is looking really good, the black really works with the word tag. How does a poor needy student go about blagging a t-shirt and pen ;) Adrian On 12/4/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, A bit of a joy

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread George Wright
Luke Dicken wrote: I love the soap boxes people find to lecture the world from.snip OK, I'll bite. I can't look at Flash on my computer at home because Macromedia don't make Flash for the OS/ architecture I'm using. If Flash was free software, there'd be a way to get it to work on my

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
I wrote a long thing in reply to this, but it all boils down to : access to people's software is a privilege not a right. Sorry. But there you go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Wright Sent: 05 December 2006 20:24 To:

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a long thing in reply to this, but it all boils down to : access to people's software is a privilege not a right. Sorry. But there you go. Please post it - I can't really make sense of this :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
Well, I deleted it to write the other. Basically my position is I make the software, therefore I make the rules. At the end of the day, software is a product and just like every other product, the developer sets the terms of sale, or use, and for many products that extends solely to what platform

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
And this would be where the zealotry comes in. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 05 December 2006 22:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this would be where the zealotry comes in. Why are you calling me a zealot? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

RE: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Luke Dicken
And this would be where the zealotry comes in. Why are you calling me a zealot? Largely for comic effect... Also: zealot noun 1 often derog, a single-minded and determined supporter of a political cause, religion, etc - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Laurence Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's time you lot stop all these. If you want to continue these rants, do it privately to yourselves, and not to the list. Your rants contribute no knowledge. Please stop. You can ignore my emails? :-) In general, I think the

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Laurence Samuels
You explained these a long time ago, and you kept on repeating what did not amount to new knowledge. I hope you wont reply to this email. If you do, I wont reply to the list, I might reply to you privately. L On 05/12/06, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/12/06, Laurence Samuels

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Mr I Forrester
Adrian Lansdown wrote: The videos are ace, Are they going to be a new monthly offering? The schwag is looking really good, the black really works with the word tag. How does a poor needy student go about blagging a t-shirt and pen ;) Adrian Not exactly a monthly offering, but when ever I